Iam beggining to think that Karma isnt really there. I mean unless its Karma that just makes your life a little harder, then yes everyone has bad Karma. But i have done bad things and so have others.

So why dont I get really bad Karma. I havent really looked into it. But has anuone had bad or good Karma evidence?

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There is never going to be any evidence, per se, of karma. Karma doesn't have to work in ways that we can see, or, we can see things in life that could be considered Karma coming back around. For example, say you did something wrong. Karma may mean that instead of the person you wronged coming back at you and getting you back, you may just not win Thursday nights lottery, which you were supposed to win. Or, the next day on the way to work, you get all the red lights and can't find a carpark, making you late. It can work in little ways.

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I agree with Splinter. I don't feel that karma, good or bad, comes back to you the way you put it out. It comes back other ways. I recently experienced this first hand. I always do everything in a manner that would bring good karma back to me. But nobody's perfect. I am no angel. Jus' recently I lost about $50 worth of stuff and I was so upset at the moment. So many times before I lost things and they were returned to me. But not this time. After I cooled down I remember doin' lil' things here and there that I'm not gonna mention here, that if karma is a reality, I deserved to lose that stuff and not have it returned. I'm not a bad guy.

But I'm not an angel either.

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I AM an angel, and my life is perfect, so there.

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Ok that makes more sence. I havent looked into Karma at all. I only thought it was a "do bad, you recive bad. do good, you get less bad. Because iam sure that all of us have done more wrong than bad

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Prehaps another way of looking at Karma is like the old saying - "treat people the way you want to be treated." People are going to want to help you out and be friendly to you is you do the same back.

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Karma is not always instantaneous. It can come when when you least expect it, or possibly, if such exists, your next lifetime. If you are spiritual like me, your karma stays with you throughout each lifetime, unless you change it. And you know exactly how to change it.

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Ah yes... Unenlightened man's attempts at projecting the internal concepts of rationality and justice to an external chaotic and indifferent world.

Johnny empties a large container with matchsticks on the ground.
Billy points at the matchsticks, and says "There is a pattern!"
Johnny laughs and forgives Billy for his puerile attempt to bring pattern where there is chaos.

Mr U

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That's not a puerile attempt. It's a natural human tendency to perceive order out of chaos. Perception is not always what is "real", whether it be chaos or not. Johnny is a fucking bitch if he laughed at Billy. If I were Billy, I'd kick Johnny in the nuts, and say "I'm sorry, Johnny. That sensation is just your body adapting to the immense pressure I put on it. Stop thinking it's called 'pain'." And there's always a pattern to whomever wants to see, hear, taste, smell, or feel it. The brain constructs information this way.

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Truer words have never been spoken. NEVER.

I don't really believe in karma in the regular sense - as in if you will do bad then bad things will happen to you. But I believe that if a man infects his soul by doing evil, the immediate result is that he's less capable of experiencing true, spiritual pleasure.

If true punishment and reward do come, it will happen in the afterlife, and I rather like a Jewish theory that says more or less that life after death is so concentrated on spirituality that only the rightious will be able to enjoy it and the evil will not. Somehow it just makes sense.

To summarise, my version of karma is spiritual - it's not to do with success and failure, luck and misfortune - but to do with the fact that doing good is good for you in the long run, and that it's the ultimate expression of self.

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