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View Poll Results: What is truth? If a tree falls and nobody hears it does it still make a noise?
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Truth is relative to your point of view. No or maybe.
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Truth is constant. Your point of view is relative. Yes.
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Patriot
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04-28-2005, 11:42 AM
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I'm a absolutist-realist. I believe that truth is constant and your point of view is relative. The noise is there whether anybody hears it or not. Schrodinger's cat is either dead or alive. Period. Whether we know about it or not is irrelevent.
If you believe the opposite, you are a relativist-idealist. But then, you wouldn't be really because whether you would be or not would also be relative to everyone's point of view.
There aren't any third alternatives as far as I've heard of because any third alternative could simply be placed under the relativist category.
Am I wrong?
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Last edited by Patriot : 05-02-2005 at 07:26 AM.
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Spoon40
& u thot I was not
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05-09-2005, 10:38 PM
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I agree with truth is constant......it is our acceptance of truth without enough knowledge that make some truths shaky. Most people don't have the time, resources, or will to know, what is an absolute truth. It is easier to assume a truth, then to know a truth....lol does that make any sense?
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veradis
the sun is not my friend
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05-09-2005, 10:42 PM
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I think I understand what you're saying. But it is very hard to have a complete truth, w/ full knowledge of all aspects of it. I believe in absolutes, but many people don't. The thing is, it's very difficult to convince someone like that to constrain themselves to one truth. The thing is, truth is close-minded. If it wasn't, then we wouldn't know anything for sure. You just have to know where to draw the line between believing something is truth to assuming it is w/o enough knowledge of it. I know it's a little confusing.
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renegade-agent
Dust in the wind.
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05-10-2005, 12:27 AM
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i find it hard to believe any one truth(if there is such a thing)i don't believe in absolutes, i guess the easy way to sum up my way of thinking is "FREE YOUR MIND" or somthinng like that,i'm going to bed
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Patriot
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05-12-2005, 07:19 AM
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"The Truth will Set You Free" is more my motto. We ought to be "freeing our minds" from what is false and holding on to what is true.
I think the truth is objective, while our viewpoints are subjective. The only objective viewpoint in the Universe is God's, which is all-encompassing. The rest of us only have little pieces of truth.
I heard someobdy trying to prove to me that truth wasn't constant once. They said, "Take a kindergarden class on a field trip to the country to see a windmill. Make sure they know beforehand the difference between clockwise and counter-clockwise. Put the class in front of the windmill and have them all observe that it's turning clockwise. Then put half behind the windmill, and they'll observe that from that side it's turning counter-clockwise. This shows that truth is relative to your point of view, because both opposite points of view are correct."
I found this laughably absurd. The windmill had stayed in the same place. Only the students had moved. The windmill had stayed the same. The REAL truth in this instance wasn't that the windmill was turning clockwise, it was that "the windmill is turning clockwise IN THE FRONT."
To put it concisely as possible, FACTS EXIST whether we can see them or not.
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Last edited by Patriot : 05-13-2005 at 07:27 AM.
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The_Wanderer
Beginning to Realize...
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05-13-2005, 08:37 PM
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Truth is an illusion created by those in power to keep the people under control, and to satisfy man's all-encompassing sense of curiosity. Truth is not necessarily what is real, because when something is real, it is FACT. Truth can vary from place to place, from person to person. A certain religion may say that the truth is that the world was borne from an egg, but that may not be fact. The FACT is not yet known how the world was made, so you cannot refute nor deny the truth given by that religion. Truth can be altered by those in power to benefit them, or to benefit the people. For example, would you tell the people that an asteroid is coming and cause mass panic, or would you tell them all is well and let them all die relatively blissful? To them, the truth is all is well. And those in power, the government, the scientists, the companies that give us goods and services, keep us under control by monopolizing the truth machine that runs our society.
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veradis
the sun is not my friend
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05-14-2005, 05:41 PM
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So what you're basically saying is that there is no truth, if it can be changed so much, right? I disagree; truth is constant, the only thing about it that varies is our perception of it, given a new perspective. If truth can vary, then everyone is right. Muslims, Atheists, Christians, Buddists, Jews, Wiccas. They are all correct. OK, so how can a person who believes in a deity & a person who doesn't both be right? There either is or isn't a God. It can't be both.
Let me give a simpler example. I want all your money, ok? I believe that it is right to take your money and leave you with nothing. You, obviously, do not agree with me. So, what happens? Can I take half your money? That would be even worse. Neither of us would get what we want. So what do we do if we're both right?
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renegade-agent
Dust in the wind.
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05-14-2005, 05:57 PM
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What is truth?
Truth is constantly changing.
All around us,yes truth is constant but it is also in motion.
Truth is also as has been metioned,open to interpretation.Basically think of the old "glass half empty-glass half full thing" thing,it illustrates what i'm saying perfectly,some people see it as empty,some see it as full,some people don't care,some people do,different perceptions of the same truth-all relevent,but all different.
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As far as I am concerned, everything after the Black album is mainstream garbage.
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I'm telling James Hetfield!!!
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05-14-2005, 06:00 PM
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Truth is a relative concensus. Because quite simply there are no absolute truths about anything, ohnly what the majority has deemed the 'right' one.
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The_Wanderer
Beginning to Realize...
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05-18-2005, 07:33 AM
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Well, truth is really just a word, like love. Or karma. Truth is a word, used to describe things. What exactly does it describe? We may never know. To go along with what I said before, a person in a cult may believe that the truth is that a UFO will come to deliver them from evil, but it might not be true. In fact, it isn't. They just believed a lie, but it seemed like truth to them. So then, is truth even real? Truth is just an illusion. But I have to agree, there is an ultimate reality/truth/fact that is unchanging, but truth itself is always changing with time. Until everyone agrees, there will never be an ultimate truth, just varitions of opinon on what it is. Even then we might not know whats true. Its just more and more confusion.
Oh, and can I have half your money? Please?
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Patriot
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