after the humans scorch the sky, a couple of questions are raised.

1. -How are the machines operating without solar power? they probably wouldn't have known to take captives, and i doubt batteries would let them be efficient in combat.
2. -How did the humans lose? during the one seen, it looks like thousands of APU-type mechs are moving to battle. APUs can easily shred sentinals. the kill ratio from revolutions was at least 300-1. What about planes, tactical nukes, submarines, spacial bombardment, viruses (matriculated), or a new series of combat robots that are in no way connected with 01? Better yet, how about a giant magnet-shooting gun. supposedly the SPY radars on present day Aegis cruisers can fry small electronics a la EMP, why would it be so hard in the future?

3. Theoretically, couldnt a bunch of humans (thousands/millions) escape to space? in my other forum i introduced a military outfit from the moon with serious butt-kicking power.

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well the machine's outnumberd the humans. and most of the attacks the humand did (the shots from there weapons) did not have any effect on the machine

they did destroy the old typ machine's but the new versions. didn't even get a scratch from the bullets and rockets that the humans shot

The humans mainly used infantry in their attacks, which didn't do so well. Besides, if you look at the older APUs they have a lot smaller cannons, and also what they were attacking is a hell of a lot bigger than Sentinels.

I also have a comment: that horrified me. The final battle was nothing like Revolutions ever was. You saw people literally torn apart, along with lots of other stuff.

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I have to admit, it was rather odd that Zion used nothing but machine guns to attack in Revolutions... Where were the rockets? A machine gun doesn't quite cover it.. Anyone would know that if you were facing 300,000+ sentinels and most were coming out of one tiny hole......

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mabey they didn't have the tools and people to make rockets and bombs against the machine


oke some of the people in Zion used self made rockets. to fire at the legs of the digging machine's
but as you could see the rockets where not that fast. and a sentinel could jump infront of it easy


thats why the used machine guns against the sentinels
but as we know that wasn't enough ;)


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last night i watched second renaisance 1 and 2 again

and i saw another reason why the humans lost
the machine's where far more advanced in units and weapons
there weapons where 10 times stronger then the laser cannons from the humans

the humans could only take out the old robots and cyborgs. the new typ's (sentinels, the harvest machine's and those pyramide cannons)
didn't even get a scratch

harvest machine = those huge machine's with the long arms and claws.
you also see them in M1 and M3. picking new born humans from 'trees'

actually to my point of view, in the third matrix, it looked as though there might have been a few hundred or so, and when you play Enter the Matrix game, Niobe says there are more then 250,000 sentinals I believe, so they are defentilly outnumbered whether they are strong or not. ;)

Honestly,in my opinion if such a war where to take place,the machines wouldnt have stood a chance.I mean,obviously.there are scientist in the military.They would have stated early enough that the best solution would be to build a very powerful electromagnetic bomb.Believe me,if 250 000 men women and children with such little fire power can hold the attacks of a now evolved and perfected machine,7 000 000 000 men women and children with enough artillary to destroy the world as we know it 300 times over can take out a few clumsy bots.But for movie purposes i believe that it would make more sens if we started out losing the initial battle.

The sentinels in the SRP I & II are mush more different than that of the Trilogy. Their armour was much more tougher, their size much more bigger and they are EMP-proofed! After the downfall of the humans, the sentinels downgrade themselves for an unknown reason (probably lacked of raw materials) to smaller, faster, and lighter and weaponless (other than the tentacles & the tiny laser on their mouth).

They got whooped. I mean we. They stabbed us with their claws, fried and sliced us with lazers, and kicked our asses. I think those glowing red thingys were specially made chemicals, or something, or mini-heat-generators.

The power question is answered as follows: the machines use the power of humans and since the anti-machine war consisted of millions of humans, then yes they had enough to take captive.

The machines probably won by the weakness of fear that humans have, machines don't feel it and therefore can still fight even while being half-damaged.

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well if we were to use EMP's we would have to use one strong enough to take out a lot of the machines or else that would be pointless. If we used a strong EMP then it would take out everything WE were using that was machine and give the machines a strong advantage. and no matter how many bombs we drop the machines can repair themselves faster then we heal. need i mention they replicate faster then us too???

It's true. I own the Animatrix and If you watch the final battle again you'll see that they were totally outnumbered. It was an interesting battle too because you can see the machines evolving from the forms man gave them to their own (the giant pyramid-craft, the octopi, the sentinels) And it was quite obvious that the humans would lose. Also, machines cannot be frightened or shell-shocked. You never see a machine crouching behind a rock and crying! (Well, you dont see any people in TSRII doing that either but thats not the point.) So that is an advantage over the humans too.