What I am trying to say is, that the Matrix will never exist. AI is exactly like us. For them to become dictators, they will have to have the same social history as a human dictator. And since we can program most of their social history, they will never rebel.

However what the Second Renaissence depicted very well was that we, the humans, kept fighting them while all the machines wanted was peace. This sounds like a normal reaction of ai. However the murder that b166er commited does not.

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theres no way of predicting when and who will be the first to create AI...america and japan are in a race for it..the difference between us and japan is that our military is doing most of the work in this arena...japan's corperations are doing most of the work there..japan is going for a homerun, our military is taking baby steps compared to japan...but that is the logical way i think for us to do...right now the military is trying to create a lower functioning AI like the common ant...some may scoff at that but i think its the right arena to go in...one ant by itself is useless but create a whole colony and what do you have? you have what? worker ants, soldier ants, the queen ect...japan is trying to create an ai in human form..the military is looking at how insects move and interact with surroundings and trying to replicate it, like the gecko...a robot intelligence that can climb any surface at will...

so i think we are going the most logical way about it...japan is trying to please the comic book fans...seems our military is thinking more outside the box and being practical and logical about it...

sydbarett69, I'm curious as to where you got your information.

As far as the first to create AI, it already exists, and has since the '80's. Now they're working on something that can do the complex mental processes of humans and animals. That's all I've read so far, but I'd like to look into it all more

Peace out, friends

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psychic, i dont know what you mean...in earlier posts your talking about when and how they will create AI, and then in your last post you say AI was created in the eighties, but give no more info to what it was and so forth...my info comes from the discovery channel and the internet...info anyone has access too, nothing special..i just look for anything and everything on the subject...

Sorry for not being entirely specific there. What programmers have been defining as AI is something that can understand what humans tell it, process that, and react accordingly. It's like an advanced program that can do small amounts of thinking.

The earlier AI made in the '80's was mainly devices to help quadreplegics (did I spell that right?), painting machines, machines that can run, etc... A lot of it was to eventually be developed so humans can be recreated as robots, but recently that desire has been slowed due to ethical questions.

Some of the early stuff, especially one I saw that can paint original pictures. It's programmed with basic rules about how lines must be laid in order to fill them in, how to fill them in, what a figure MUST have to look like a human form, etc... It uses a lot of probability laws and junk (very cool, IMO)

Hope that answered some questions, sorry if it didn't.

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oh ok cool, thanks for expanding on your thoughts...i guess to different scientists, AI has different meanings...but for my own personal definition and what AI means for me? its a being that is aware of itself and uses manmade programs as more of a type of genetic code...i mean in that sense we are programmed too in what genetics means for us, which the whole picture of genetics and how much we are affected by it is still being researched...i heard one person say that they isolated a gene that makes a person gay...i havent personally seen that for myself, by reading about it or whatever...but personally i think that its very very possible that there is such a gene...as far as ethics goes on making a humanoid robot? i havent seen anything personally that supports that but im sure there are scientists that have that holding them back...but i think it has more to do with being practical...i mean if the military thought a humanoid robot with intelligence was possible, the last thing holding them back would be ethics...not that they dont think its possible someday, but they are more interested in an efficient very advanced army, and not so much interested in pipedreams...i think advances that can be made held back by ethics is cloning....and that may be our downfall since china, has no qualms about cloning and are going full throttle in making it reality...i think we should put ethics aside and think more about survival...if china masters cloning technology that is bad news for us.

cloning tech... hmm that could spell a lot of danger i think!, very very dangerous for everyone!

i dont know if any of your have seen the film 'virus' but it has a centre computer that started thinking for itself, then started operating the machine arms and then started making robots... eg, if a bot in a car plant is controlled by a main computer and someone hacked that main computer and told it to do something else it would..., but then it could start making other things? which is basically what happens in the film... which i think in a way is cloning.. am i wrong? (i might be... i'm confusing myself a little now)

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I think you are a little confused there phaz0r, you're talking about computers going haywire and A.I. getting a little carried away with itself. That movie sounds interesting, I'll have to check it out. It's kind of like the computer deal in Resident Evil, or at least sounds that way.

Anyway, I think that China cloning before us could spell huge problems. I agree with you sydbarett69, we definitely need to be concerned with advances. I don't think ethics should be thrown out the window, but they should definitely take a back burner to advances.

I want to see the U.S. clone humans. I am all for technological and scientific advancement. I want to see things happen. I'm sure that there are possibilities for failure and danger is likely to be present, but what the hell. Take the risk, make the plunge.

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www.oliverbot.com aparenty oliver is a AI that u can ask questions and stuff and it learns from your answers

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I checked out that Oliverbot, and it's bogus. It can't answer your questions in any logical way. Nowhere close to where advanced AI is today.

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