i'm sorry if i may have offended you in any way. i just want you to answer the question so i can get a better understanding. in my own opinion i think it's legitimate question. thanks for your time.

I am not offended. I responded to your post a few days ago and somehow it didn't make it to the board. Some Illuminati agents must have diverted it. ;)

There are all sorts of theories around this alleged connection between Freemasonry and "the Illuminati". The ultimate theory is that George Washington was actually Adam Weishaupt.

Think about this for a moment. Many think that the US was a goal set up by Rosicrucian/Illuminati/Masonic forces. If this were true and also if Weishaupt had somehow inserted himself as Washington, why on God's green earth would Weishaupt/Washington voluntarily abandon his position as President of the US after only two terms? This action was not called for by the US Constitution at that time. It wasn't until the mid 20th century almost 200 years later that Presidential term limits were set.

Also, why would the Illuminati/Rosicrucian/Masonic forces allow his successor to be an ardent anti-Mason? John Adams was a frequently outspoken opponent of Freemasonry. When Adams accompanied Franklin to France, Adams was left to his own devices while Franklin hung out with his Masonic friends (Lafayette, Voltaire, etc.). Adams was not part of the "in" crowd.

Jefferson was not a Mason either. There is some discussion that he may have been made a Mason in France, like Franklin was, but there has been no formal proof of that. The Grand Lodge of Pennsylvania has a document placing him in a lodge room but that is as far as the evidence goes.

President #4 was John Quincy Adams, John Adams' son and also a non-Mason.

So again, if there was some form of Illuminati/Rosicrucian/Masonic force at work here in the US, how could it get so powerful and at the very peak of its power relinquish it to non-Masons? These things just don't fit together.

There are other ideas that there are really two Freemasonries. One is the fraternal/charitable/philosophical organization that is certainly not a secret society. In the US, public buildings have cornerstones that are marked with the Square and Compasses and placed in very public ceremonies by Masonic Grand Lodge officers who make no attempt to hide who they are. Masonic lodge buildings are clearly marked in the US. One building here in DC just had a 20' symbol placed on the side of its building. It is not very attractive, but it certainly is visible.

One of the tallest buildings in the Metro DC area is the George Washington National Masonic Memorial. It sits atop Shooter's Hill in Alexandria VA. It is the tallest structure in the area and has a 50' Square and Compasses on its lawn. Pretty darn obvious if you ask me.



The other Freemasonry is the one described by evangelical Christians and other fundamentalist organizations as well as David Icke and his followers. They claim that Freemasonry is a global conspiracy or a Satan-worshipping organization.

If you were to start an organization of Satan-worshipping, globally inspired power mongers, would you build up your army by recruiting "good men" interested in fraternal good will, charity and philosophy in an effort to "make good men better"? That would be an odd way to do it. But the anti-Masons only think that is more proof?!?!?

Check out the book "Is it True What They Say about Masonry". It may also provide some answers:

http://www.srmason-sj.org/web/SRpub...ons/DeHoyos.htm

I would also point you to Umberto Eco's "Foucault's Pendulum" and Robert Anton Wilson's "Illuminati" trilogy. Heck, grab the "Principia Discordia" while you are at it. Free your mind indeed.

http://www.eriswerks.org



Seems offtopic? Not really...

G.A.O.T.U.

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Hello all,

I don't know how I stumbled onto this thread but I find it very interesting reading.

At this time, I woul like to comment on the question of whether a Satanist can be a Freemason.

My short answer to this is: NO

My long answer is: Not if he is truthful during the interview process or before his initiation. This is because he would have to answer ALL of the following questions in the affirmative and it just doesn't work for a Satanist.

1. Do you believe in a Supreme Being? A Satanist could answer YES

2. Do you believe that he has made his will known to man? A Satanist may answer yes to this question as well.

3. Do you believe that the Supreme Being punishes VICE and rewards VIRTUE? This would be a definate NO for a Satanist and he would, therefore, be ineligible to join.

Thanks for letting me get my two cents worth in.