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Old 05-30-2003, 04:55 PM #1

Does a Tamagochi toy classify as artificial inteligence???

If not, the why not?
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Old 05-30-2003, 05:25 PM #2

Can't true AI be tested using the Turing test? I don't think a tamagotchi would pass that.
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Old 05-31-2003, 06:01 AM #3

I guess Tamogotchis COULD be passed off as an AI...although not a particularly dangerous one [unless you threw it at someone]. I found the whole concept of Tamogotchi's weird....mine only stayed alive for a few hours, 'went to the toilet' everywhere and just bleeped at me to feed it.

Hey...what about Furbys and Micropets etc? Do they count?

Lol.
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Old 05-31-2003, 07:17 AM #4

i don't think they really classify as AI, they are programmed to do something... based on 'IF' statements i assume, they don't really learn anything new... they just do what they are programmed to do if that thing occurs...
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Old 06-02-2003, 04:52 PM #5

bingo!

Ive thought about this alot and come to a simular conclusion!

Tamagochi, cannot learn! It cannot learn because it has no memory!

As for the issue of IF statements, however, maybe us humans are programmed on if statements as well!

For example. test have shown that babies respond to human faces. Maybe this is a pre programed IF statment.

(IF) you see a human face = squeel and act cute.

This may be a basic survival method, which becomes more complex as the child grows.

(IF) you have an ich scratch it.

(IF) you have a rash, dont scratch it, or you will be sore like you were last time.

(IF) you touch something that is hot. Memorize what it is you touched and be careful not to touch it again.

As a bank of experiance grows the childs recations will change accordingly, based on positive and negative influences upon his body and what he percieves to be the most apropriate choice in the circumstance.
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Old 06-03-2003, 11:20 AM #6

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bingo!

Ive thought about this alot and come to a simular conclusion!

Tamagochi, cannot learn! It cannot learn because it has no memory!

As for the issue of IF statements, however, maybe us humans are programmed on if statements as well!

For example. test have shown that babies respond to human faces. Maybe this is a pre programed IF statment.

(IF) you see a human face = squeel and act cute.

This may be a basic survival method, which becomes more complex as the child grows.

(IF) you have an ich scratch it.

(IF) you have a rash, dont scratch it, or you will be sore like you were last time.

(IF) you touch something that is hot. Memorize what it is you touched and be careful not to touch it again.

As a bank of experiance grows the childs recations will change accordingly, based on positive and negative influences upon his body and what he percieves to be the most apropriate choice in the circumstance.


(IF) your body was coded like that you'd be fat full of code
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Old 06-04-2003, 04:55 PM #7

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(IF) your body was coded like that you'd be fat full of code



And???

Your saying our brains arent choc full of information?
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Old 06-05-2003, 09:00 PM #8

I think, from watching my younger siblings develop, that there is no specific programming. The programming for humans is something like "If it's bad avoid it" and "if it's good or if it works, do it again". I saw my brother, now 10 months, learn to get off a chair. At this age you could still put a toy behind your back and have him instantly forget about it. He first tries to get off head-first, and we would catch him, but once we were too late to adequatly break his fall. He was smart enough to, not ten minutes later, attempt to go down backwards. From watching his actions, I was able to see logical reasoning is a human NOT TEN MONTHS OLD. He reached his hand down, and If he couldn't reach the floor, he would turn around and go backwards.
I realize that this probably seems absurdly simple to you, of course it's easier to go backwards down largeish drops. But I take it as proff that human beings only have the minimun "programming" needed to survive, not anything specific.
As for recognizing and making happy noises at human faces, this is also ttrial and error. An infant cannot distinguish between solid objects for months after birth, selecting out human faces for a special reaction comes much later. This I take as further proof of my earlier statement,
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Old 06-06-2003, 11:18 AM #9

mmmm not to sure about this one i don't think that we have any programming as infants but we run on autopilot for a while otherwise how would we know to suck on our mothers breast for milk, i know they shove it on our face but as babies we still do the sucking motion to get it out. But at the same time we only learn things through nessecity, it took thousands of years for caveman to invent a weapon only because he had to, for defence for killing large animals etc, fire was an accident (lightening, bush fire) we only needed to use it for warmth, and to keep away any predators while we slept of a night time, on so on and so forth, I honestly believe that as a race we have gone past learning for nessecity and learning to make our lives as easy as possible. From nessecity to Laziness, what a brilliant race we are!!
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Old 06-06-2003, 11:22 AM #10

Interesting.

Here are some articles on the subjcect. The second one is particualrly interesting.



news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_1991000/1991705.stm


http://www.cbcd.bbk.ac.uk/news/news...etter.2001.html
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Old 06-06-2003, 11:24 AM #11

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Interesting.

Here are some articles on the subjcect. The second one is particualrly interesting.



http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/hi/englis...000/1991705.stm


http://www.cbcd.bbk.ac.uk/news/news...etter.2001.html
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