And I did not say that I disagree with you FYM. You feel that the Nazi's are the worst group of haters every put on this earth. What do you think Hitman would say to that? Maybe he thinks that the KKK is the worst for the very same reasons you think the Nazi's are the worst. What about the Abortion Dr.s and workers that get bombed for standing up for their beliefs? What about the soldiers dying in bombings due to terrorist groups? These are just a few examples of horrible crimes of hate towards a certain race of people or group of people. I also understand that this thread is anti-Nazi but all these things come into play when trying to make a judgement call. You are leading by with your emotions. What happened to the Jewish people was horrible and I won't dispute that. What I will and am saying is that the legalities get swept under the rug all the time and this has been going on for some time and not just regarding the Nazi's.

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I'm not sure I understand. I wouldn't let the KKK march either. Abortion is a controversial issue, racism is not. It cannot exist in a democratic society.

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I am not a racist. This follows from my teachings, from my beliefs. My beliefs love freedom, and I will spread this freedom where-ever possible. Now, I have an honest conviction that my beliefs are based upon nature, upon a source that can be objectively studied. This means that it is not subject to moral relativism, but a real source. Now, whether I draw the correct conclusions can be up for scrunity, and I am always open for debate about this. Racism, however, is in any case impossible, and I believe that by informing people racism will disappear. In the mean while, however, I refuse to detain those that disagree with me on any level. It would be denying my own principles, my own moral beliefs.

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I mean everyone as in the people ive talked to about this topic, not you specifically.



I dont see how my point is any different. All groupings have taken extreme measures at one time or another but none have been more hate fueled than those by the nazi socialist party and the kkk, and that is what sets them apart from any other protest.

PETA and its more activistic affiliate Green Peace may have bombed a Hummer dealership and shut down a ski resort in the name of the earth and all but they've never killed anyone. Its more than just the greater of two evils its an entirely different evil alltogether. And no offense but it is insanity to put a bunch of tree huggers in the same context as that of a group that hates everyone except other white people.

Its not the act of protesting that matters at all, its the message they're proliferating that counts.

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Where did I state that? If I did, I certainly did not mean to.


I did not and do not.


An excellent point. However, part of Christianity is other-centeredness, part of which is not making any man (or woman) inferior or superior to any human standards.


I understand. However, if I understand "knowing him fully" correctly, then a fair trial cannot be granted. Most, if (if) not all, of Mengele's subjects did not consent to such violent procedures. His experiments, though they did have value to modern science, surely could have been done with willing subjects. By Nazi ideology (I do not wish to insult anyone), why use an "inferior" person? (Jews are not inferior; I was using a Nazi worldview to prove a point.)


Those tortured by the Inquisition should not have perished. Just because they were Protestant, and not Catholic, does not mean they were unworthy of life. No one deserves to be killed because of race, religion, or color. If they are on Death Row for murder or rape, I understand. God ordained capital punishment for those.

-Snoopy

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True, Mengele did contribute to science. However, when bringing up this man, we can't beat around the bush constantly. He killed innocents, often after torturing them. Some of his experients were for scientific advancement (which, in my opinion, were somewhat worth it), however some were not. What about the many sex-change techniques he attempted? Do they truly serve a great purpose now? Possibly, but they aren't as necessary as other medical procedures. What about the numerous reports of his boiling-water enemas? Or having men rape frozen women, for the sake of "science" (aka entertainment with the government paying the tab)? Or the fact that he treated a young boy like his own son, favoring him and giving him special treats, only to lead him merrily to his own death?

I know we can't judge an entire group based on evaluating their history, but what about their reputation? Missionaries in unwelcome countries rarely admit to be Christians due to the poor label that comes with the term. Instead, they will refer to themselves as "followers of Christ" or something along those lines. Why, then, would a group cling to a term that has such a negative association? The only thing that comes to mind is that they may be wanting to appear rebellous, or perhaps recruit people wishing to have something their parents will disapprove of. Otherwise, they'd choose a different name under which to protest.

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The point you make, PP, is an impossiblity to argue about. You would prefer non-provocative debate. Where people, instead of putting themselves in a negative stereotype, they come out for themselves. Without judging them too much, many of these people are people who need group cohesiveness, who want to feel different from society, out of some sick reason. They adhere to nazism because it gives them attention, negative attention, yes, but attention nonetheless. If they were merely people protesting against black violence, or violence, no one would protest, well maybe a few conservatives (couldn't stop it, hehe).

Now, I have in my MSN screenname the word Kafir, which is a muslim insult. I affiliate myself with something negative to provoke others in thinking. This probably does not apply to these nazis, but I try not to be judgemental with them. Still, even if this is the case, and they are sad sons of bitches for being so able to be influenced, who am I to break this fantasy and limit them? Who are you? Who is a mayor? Who is an anti-nazi to withhold this 'happiness' from them? Damn it, life is too short not to be libertarian.

Mr U

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Eh, maybe it's just the hippy in me, but why can't people just get along? I say we drug up the nations, so they'll become mindless, giddy drones and follow a single, grand leader...say, me?

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Lol, you call yourself a hippy and then promote a dictatorship. Thats priceless!

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This happiness of theirs can lead to bad things. That's the problem. And when a march like this is legally allowed and tolerated then it is legitimised, and this paves the way for the advancement of the Nazi cause. If we really allowed anyone to do anything in the name of liberty the world would be in a bit of a mess. Don't forget that even after the Nazis the KKK had gained power too. I don't understand why people are so convinced racism is so far away.

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