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10-10-2005, 07:17 PM
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Thats another good point, there are strong Hindu and Buddistic tones to the movie as well. The religious theme to the movies could just be an allegory of religion in general and not just Christianity.
Well anyhoo, the game looks like it will be interesting to play and theres alot riding on it for Shiny after ETM.
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Shiny has had all the time in the world to get this game right. They were rushed for ETM because it had to come out with reloaded, hence all the glitches they didnt have time to fix. Path of Neo is the only game Shiny is putting out this year.
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10-10-2005, 10:35 PM
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Yeah, I have nothing against ETM. The Shiny comment wasn't coming from my opinion specifically, but still there is that crutch that Shiny has to bear.
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10-10-2005, 11:46 PM
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We don't know if they were truly out of wedlock, as you say. Also, God himself used violence throughout the Bible to achieve His will. Neo's use of violence isn't any worse or better.
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Christ never used violence, at least, not to any notable degree. If Neo represents Christ, fully, then he would have had to use no violence. And the "out of wedlock", true, it never explicitly says whether they are married or not. However, it is clear that Link is married to Zee, through the movies, and through the countless extras, whereas you never see any indication that Neo and Trinity have tied the knot.
And on ETM.....actually, ETM was one of Shiny's biggest hits that year. It sold six million copies, nearly record-breaking numers. I think the game in and of itself wasn't so bad, it was just bad when compared to such an amazing and long awaited sequel.
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10-11-2005, 12:38 AM
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What do you mean there's no definate sign saying Neo and Trin didn't tie the knot? There's just as much proof for them as there is for Link and Zee.
Jesus used violence- look at when he approached the moneychangers and other vendors at the temple! If Jesus is God, then everything done throughout the Old Testament is proof alone that violence, when used for a Divine purpose, is acceptable.
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10-11-2005, 12:55 AM
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Jesus and God are separate but the same. Neo represents Christ, not God. I suppose we could get into a whole Trinity debate here, (the actual Trinity, not Carrie-Anne Moss), but that's not the point. What Jesus used in the temple wasn't violence. It was righteous anger, and he pushed over the tables and yelled at people. He didn't hit people or kill them, like Neo does.
As for the evidence for Link and Zee vs. Trinity and Neo, in the movies, both Link and Zee wear wedding bands. Trinity and Neo don't. And I've seen every single feature for both the ultimate collection and the original dvds, and several times the producers/critics/philosophers/filmmakers make comments about Link and Zee being married, so that's where that evidence comes from, whereas they never say never or not Trinity and Neo are married.
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10-11-2005, 09:53 AM
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Like you said, this isn't a religious debate. If you wish to continue this, pm me.
In the meantime, if Jesus and God are one in the same, then what God allows shouldn't conflict with what Jesus does, and vice versa.
Wedding bands don't mean shit. My parents never wore them, and never will, but they're still married. Yes, this violates the social norm, but it's not the only case out there. The behind-the-scenes bits don't talk about Zee and Link being married, either.
You know what happens when you assume...
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10-11-2005, 11:56 AM
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True, not wearing wedding bands is not uncommon for people who are married, however, in a movie people generally wear wedding bands, unless some other reason is given for them not wearing wedding bands. Why do Link and Zee wear wedding bands, and Trinity and Neo don't? Since it does violate a social norm, why would the brothers even choose to put no wedding bands on Neo and Trinity's hands and ones on Link and Zee's? And yes, actually, several times in the special features they mention Link and Zee being married, such as the phrase, "Link's wife" or "Zee's husband, Link". It's been awhile since I've seen the special features, but I distinctly remember them mentioning it, because I had not noticed the wedding bands until then, and I had not thought of Link and Zee as being married.
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03-06-2006, 07:26 AM
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a lot of good points but if you think about it you will have to be The One without being christ
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03-07-2006, 01:00 PM
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a lot of good points but if you think about it you will have to be The One without being christ
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You know its more logical in a matrix sense that Smith is the Christ figure.
Who is the God in the Matrix? :The Architect.
Who does the Architect send into the Matrix to protect it? : Smith.
Who ends up saving the Matrix due to a deal Neo made? : Smith.
Looking at it that way Smith could be the Christ figure and not Neo
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