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View Poll Results: Is Global Warming a real threat?
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Old 03-04-2007, 12:20 AM #31

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It's hot today; therefore this theory is true. Speaking of global warming, I've got sweaty balls.


It is cold here so your theory sucks your sweaty balls. And ewww...thanks for sharing. TMI baby!
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Old 03-15-2007, 09:20 AM #32

Ehh...ok, Some people were saying that global warming is not that big of an issue yet. I agree, however I belive that they will be changing thier toon once we enter the next ice age. Yea I think that it will change real quick.
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Old 03-15-2007, 06:39 PM #33

1) Global Warming
2) Climate Change

These are NOT the same thing. Idiots.
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Old 03-16-2007, 02:32 AM #34

Hey, I like Ozzy and I like Boobs. So why can't the both of ya'll get along and not write with sharpies on each other?
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Old 03-16-2007, 09:29 PM #35

Fine, I will re-post everything.

2002 “Antarctic climate cooling and terrestrial ecosystem response,” Nature 415: 517-20
From 1986 to 2000 central Antarctic valleys cooled .7 degrees Celsius per decade with serious ecosystem damage from cold.

2000 “Variability and trends in Antarctic surface temperatures from in situ and satellite infrared measurements,” Journal of Climate 13: 1674-96
Both satellite data and ground stations show slight cooling over the last 20 years.

2002 “Positive mass balance of the Ross Ice Streams, West Antarctica,” Science 295: 476-80
Side-looking radar measurements show West Antarctica ice is increasing at 26.8 gigatons/yr. Reversing the melting trend of the last 6,000 years.

2002 “Interpretation of recent Southern Hemisphere climate change,” Science 296: 895-99
Antarctic peninsula has warmed several degrees while interior has cooled somewhat. Ice shelves have retreated but sea ice has increased.

1999 “Climate and atmospheric history of the past 420,000 years from the Vostok ice core, Antarctica,” Nature 399: 429-36
During the last four interglacials, going back 420,000 years, the Earth was warmer than it is today.

2004 “Interpretation of recent Antarctic sea ice variability,” Geophysical Research Letters 31: 10.1029/2003 GL018732
Antarctic sea ice has increased since 1979.

2002 “Africans go back to the land as plants reclaim desert,” New Scientist 175: 4-5
Analysis of satellite images reveals that vegetation is ousting sand across a swathe of land stretching 6,000 kilometers.

2003 “African ice under wraps,” Nature
Although it’s tempting to blame the ice loss on global warming, researchers think that deforestation of the mountains foothills is the more likely culprit.

1997 “Tropical Cyclones and Global Climate Change: a post-IPCC assessment,” Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 79:9-38
Downward trend in the Frequency of Intense Atlantic Hurricanes during the past five decades.

2002 “Advanced Technology Paths to Global Climate Stability: Energy for a Greenhouse Planet,” Science 29 981-87
Energy sources that can produce 100 to 300% of present world power consumption without greenhouse emissions do not exist.

And now a few quick facts:

There are 160,000 glaciers in the world. About 67,000 have been inventoried, but only a few have been studied with any care. There is a mass balance data extending five years or more for only 79 glaciers in the entire world.

The Kilimanjaro glacier has been rapidly melting since the 1800’s, long before any thought of global warming.

El Nino occurs roughly every four years-23 times in the last century. It has been occurring for thousands of years, long preceding any claim of global warming.

The net economic effect of the last El Nino was a gain of 15 billion dollars because of a longer growing season and less use of winter heating oil. That is after deducting the 1.5 billion dollars for flooding.

Of all the energy consumed in the US only 6 percent is from a renewable source. Japan is five percent renewable. Germany is five percent. England is two percent. Denmark is eight percent.

A few budget numbers:

$555 million in clean energy tax incentives, as the first part of a $4.6 billion commitment over the next five years ($7.1 billion over the next 10 years). These tax credits will spur investments in renewable energy (solar, wind, and biomass), hybrid and fuel cell vehicles, cogeneration, and landfill gas conversion.

$3 billion - a $1 billion increase above the baseline – as the first part of a ten year (2002-2011) commitment to implement and improve the conservation title of the Farm Bill, which will significantly enhance the natural storage of carbon.

$25 Million in Climate Observation Systems in Developing Countries.

$178 million for the Global Environmental Facility (GEF) including a substantial $70 million payment for arrears incurred during the prior administration. The GEF is the primary international institution for transferring energy and sequestration technologies to the developing world under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.

$155 million in funding for United States Agency for International Development (USAID) for climate change programs.

$4.5 billion in total climate spending.

Some of this spending will achieve 100 million metric tons of reduced emissions in 2012 alone, with more than 500 million metric tons in cumulative savings over the entire decade. This exceeds Kyoto.

263 power plants regulated in the first phase of the program in 1999 with those in 1990, the North Central, Southeast and Mid-Atlantic regions achieved 49 percent, 48 percent and 43 percent reductions in SO2 respectively.

Over the last 30 years, the US has made great progress in providing for a better environment and improving public health. In that time, the economy grew 164 percent, population grew 39 percent, and energy consumption increased 42 percent, yet air pollution from the six major pollutants decreased by 48 percent. In 2002, state data reported to EPA showed that approximately 251 million people (or 94 percent of the total population) were served by community water systems that met all health-based standards. This number is up from 79 percent in 1993.

Dr. Patrick Michaels writes: Here's what the United Nations wrote in 1995: "Warmer temperatures will lead to . . . prospects for more severe droughts and/or floods in some places and less severe droughts and/or floods in others." What the IPCC is saying is that global warming will cause in "some places" and/or "others":
- More intense wet periods.
- More intense dry periods.
- More intense wet and dry periods.
- Less intense wet periods.
- Less intense dry periods.
- And less intense wet and dry periods.
Precisely how this is different than a world without human-enhanced global warming is unclear. From year to year, some areas of the world have always experienced more severe droughts and floods than others. Likewise, some areas of the world have always experienced less severe droughts and floods than others. With or without global warming, this process will continue in the future.

"In sum, a strategy must recognize what is possible. In climate research and modeling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the prediction of a specific future climate state is not possible." -- Final chapter, Draft TAR 2000 (Third Assessment Report), IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change).

According to the IPCC, "Global Sea level is projected to rise by about 3.5 to 34.6 inches between 1990 and 2100." So they are guessing that over a span of 110 years the global sea level will rise somewhere between 3.5 to 34.6 inches, a difference of 31.1 inches. Thats a big fucking margin of error for the worlds most authoritative scientific body. But as stated in their own report, it is not possible to predict the future of climate state.

Lets look a little closer at this. 34.6 inches is equal to 876.30 millimeters. This predicts an average rise of .31 inches per year over the 110 year span.

Center for Operational Oceanographic Products and Services (CO-OPS) data shows that over the last 50 years there has been an average rise in global sea level of 0.62 inches, equal to 15.653 millimeters.

This shows an average rise of .01 inches per year over the 50 year span. Even if you multiply this shown rate by 10, you are looking at a total rise of 10 inches by 2100. This, of course, does not take into account the recent cooling trend (Peak recorded: +0.746 °C April 1998. Current change relative to peak recorded: -0.595 °C from Global Hydrology and Climate Center) or the increase in Antarctic ice mass.

NASA's TIROs series of weather satellite as well as weather balloons have both confirmed that the planet has been cooling since 1979.

A few sound bites:

"Because there is considerable uncertainty in current understanding of how the climate system varies naturally and reacts to emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols, current estimates of the magnitude of future warming should be regarded as tentative and subject to future adjustments (either upward or downward)." -- Climate Change Science - An Analysis Of Some Key Questions, p1 (Committee on the Science of Climate Change, National Research Council) ISBN 0-309-07574-2.

"Because climate is uncontrollable . . . the models are the only available experimental laboratory for climate. . . . However, climate models are imperfect. Their simulation skill is limited by uncertainties in their formulation, the limited size of their calculations, and the difficulty of interpreting their answers that exhibit almost as much complexity as in nature." -- Climate Change Science - An Analysis Of Some Key Questions, p15 (Committee on the Science of Climate Change, National Research Council) ISBN 0-309-07574-2.

"At this point in the debate, it is intellectually dishonest and borders on fraudulent to continue to maintain that there is any reasonable basis to fear a coming climate apocalypse. Yet the scientific establishment continues to grind out tortured "studies" to prove black is white. Those involved in this charade are doing lasting damage to science and the reputations of scientists. Hell, you are no different than the worst lawyers - you will say whatever people want you to say so long as you are paid." -- Fred Palmer, president of the Greening Earth Society.

And the reason for all this fear mongering:

"Isn't the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn't it our responsibility to bring that about?" -- Maurice Strong, head of the 1992 Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro and Executive Officer for Reform in the Office of the Secretary General of the United Nations.

The average number of acres burned have fallen from 12.4 million per year during the 1920s, to 3.9 million in the 1930s, 2.6 million acres in the 1960s and just 2 million acres during the 1980s

The most severe droughts this century occurred during 1907-1908, 1932-1933, 1963-1964, and 1980-81, not the strong El Niño years 1904-1905, 1917-1918, 1940-1941, 1957-1958, 1965-1966, 1972-1973, 1982-1983 and 1991-1992.

Robert Mann, writing in Geophysical Research Letters, recently provided a powerful demonstration of this phenomenon. Using long-term records from tree rings and ice cores, he concluded that the planet was on a 900-year cooling streak between 1000 and 1900. Then we warmed up almost twice as much as we had cooled, but at least half of that warming was caused by our inconsistent sun. Two NASA scientists recently demonstrated that the sun has been warming throughout the last 400 years. As a result, if the last decade weren't among the warmest in the last millennium, something would have been wrong with the basic theory of climate: The sun warms the Earth.

There was no significant change in the frequency of hurricanes and tropical storms in the Atlantic basin between 1944 and 1995.

There were no hurricanes in the Caribbean Sea between 1990 and 1994, the longest period of such calm weather for the region since 1899.

There was a moderate decrease in the per season maximum intensity reached by all storms between 1944 and 1995.

In a 1990 study, Drs. Robert Balling, Sherwood Idso and Randall Cerveny found that warmer global temperatures actually lead to fewer hurricanes, not more. Their analysis - which assessed data for 1947 through 1987 - found that the warmest years over the 41-year period produced the fewest number of hurricane days, on average. Conversely, the coldest years, on average, produced a greater number of hurricane days.

Feel free to counter any of this with something NEW and I will respond, if it is worthy.
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