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View Poll Results: Are you (or have you been in the past) a terrorist?
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Yes, I am a terrorist.
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No, I am not a terrorist.
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Haxxor
Beneath a Veil of Misery
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08-04-2005, 11:16 AM
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I terrorize things all the time. Then again, I dream a lot too.
Seriously though, Im too laid back to even remotley go fanatical and declare a jihad on anyone.
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veradis
the sun is not my friend
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08-04-2005, 04:24 PM
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HU, don't try to debate American history with me, that is an argument I guarantee you will lose. And don't tell me to site my sources when you haven't sited yours. I have never heard of any respected historian who believes that the British thought the colonial Americans were terrorists.
I would say that terrorists who fly planes into buildings killing thousands of people would be a serious threat.
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Have you finished it? If you haven't, it's hardly worth discussing your view, now isn't it?
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Yes, I have finished it. Do not assume ignorance, especially when you don't yet understand my view.
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You fail to grasp my point. There are also a lot of beautiful buildings and sites in the Middle-East, why don't we think of that when we think of it. That is the 1984 aspect. That is our freedom being raped.
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We still have the freedom think of these more beautiful aspects, but it is becoming more and more difficult as in 1984 because of the media, etc., but it hasn't completely gotten to the point that Orwell was describing. But is there a way to prevent it from going that far? Seriously, what can we do to keep our world from believing that:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
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So extremists are terrorists? If a terrorist is someone who blows up buildings, and I'm an extremist (which I am), do I blow up buildings? If so, goodie goodie.
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I am not here to provide a history on the word terrorist, I am here to show how this word and other words are being used by governments to rid them of their freedoms, as described in 1984.
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I was referring to the people the general public thinks of when discussing terrorists, organizations such as Al-Quaida. But being an extremist doesn't necessarily mean you are a terrorist, and vice-versa. You need to make up your mind- do you want to get into the nitty-gritty of the actual word or not? You insist on always being politically correct, but you don't back it up with actual facts.
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Originally Posted by DD
...intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological...
Telling your neighbor that you are going to kill them in a loud and violent manner if they dont turn down the stereo is in no way associated with the above.
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Thank you for clarifying that, it was exactly what I was trying to say earlier, but HU of course ignored that point.
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UT
Time for a custom title
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08-04-2005, 06:16 PM
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I am, by the local school's standards, a terrorist. Of them. And I feel pretty fucking good about that too. Actually, I started to place jihad's on a few schools around 2 years ago and I'm still going strong. So that actually makes me a fanatical terrorist. Shit I'm outstanding.
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HomoUniversalis
Time for a custom title
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08-04-2005, 06:29 PM
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HU, don't try to debate American history with me, that is an argument I guarantee you will lose. And don't tell me to site my sources when you haven't sited yours. I have never heard of any respected historian who believes that the British thought the colonial Americans were terrorists.
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Oh Goodie goodie. A threat. You forget, we are talking about British history. I couldn't care less what your premature history books tell you. I do not care for quoting sources because that certain example was trivial. You do not understand this, however, because you do not understand the point I am trying to make. You do not understand the point I am trying to make because you are caught up in your own silly (and cliché) moral dogma.
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I would say that terrorists who fly planes into buildings killing thousands of people would be a serious threat.
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I don't. I find a serious threat 3 deaths a second, as the result of capitalism. As a collective, we murder children ever 3 seconds. How serious is that? What you think of as serious is irrevelant. Read 1984 again and again.
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Yes, I have finished it. Do not assume ignorance, especially when you don't yet understand my view.
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Oh, but that's the most amusing thing. You need sight for a view. You, my dear, are blind.
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We still have the freedom think of these more beautiful aspects, but it is becoming more and more difficult as in 1984 because of the media, etc., but it hasn't completely gotten to the point that Orwell was describing. But is there a way to prevent it from going that far? Seriously, what can we do to keep our world from believing that:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
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My references never were to this. But I do not assume you to understand it. If you are, however, focusing on these terms, you might want to check out the ministry of defense, and check out its defense budget vs its offense budget.
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I was referring to the people the general public thinks of when discussing terrorists, organizations such as Al-Quaida. But being an extremist doesn't necessarily mean you are a terrorist, and vice-versa. You need to make up your mind- do you want to get into the nitty-gritty of the actual word or not? You insist on always being politically correct, but you don't back it up with actual facts.
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Me? Politcally correct? Haha! I dance with satan and fucked the mongrels. Silly girl. Backing with actual facts? The facts are obvious. You simply lack a view. Don't blame me for not providing you with an example, blame yourself for not seeking one yourself.
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Originally Posted by DD
...intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological...
Telling your neighbor that you are going to kill them in a loud and violent manner if they dont turn down the stereo is in no way associated with the above.
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We disagree on the definition in regards to macro/micro-society. I can live with that. My overall point stands.
Mr U
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veradis
the sun is not my friend
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08-05-2005, 01:16 PM
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Why do you always assume that no one understands you? Do you really think you are so much better than everyone else, so 'enlightened' that your thoughts are beyond the realm of normal human comprehension? This has happened in our arguments countless times- you and I have opposing ideas, and the entire thread is used to try to get our point across, when this is not really necessary. I understand what you mean, I am just trying to explain why I don't agree with it. Don't assume that you can understand someone's point and yet not believe in it, and they can't do the same with yours. You think that by insulting someone's beliefs and claiming that they don't understand yours proves that you are somehow more intelligent. I wonder what your real life is like sometimes, do you just sit around contemplating the meaning of life or whatever philosophical idea pops into your head? If you think you may be, but what are you really? These childish games mean nothing, we never resolve anything or sway anyone's opinion. I only continue to argue because I enjoy it, I really don't care what the subject is. This should have gone into the 'I need to vent' thread. I'm done for now. Carry on.
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HomoUniversalis
Time for a custom title
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08-05-2005, 02:26 PM
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I ain't be no assuming nothing no girl. DD understands me. FOTH understands me. Frankly, I don't think I'll be far off if I make a guess that most of the folks around here have a pretty good idea about me.
You blame me for acting all high and mighty, but believe it or not, this is the direct result of your dull posting. Had you taken the time to read my post, and instead of antagonizing me, actually thought about what I said, most of these 'discussions', they hardly qualify as that, really, would have ended already.
What I am like in real life? Contemplate the answers to life? Foolish little girl, had you taken the interest of researching your 'opponent', as you probably see me, you would have found a thread by my hand, 'the answer to life, the universe and everything'. It is everything and more than you would need to misinterpret my words further.
Nay, in real life, I am much as I am here, filled with delicious irony, with a tasty layer of nihilistic cream and a sting that will leave you hurting till gehenna comes, yo!
Oh, and Clicky!
Mr U
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freeyourmind
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08-10-2005, 07:00 PM
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So is this about governments and media manipulating words to sound differently, or about the ills of modern society? You raise so many points in these threads that it's hard to know what to address.
For what it's worth, here's my view again on terrorism that never seems to get responded to: Regardless of the semantics of it all, people who murder innocents in cold blood are morally reprehensible in their actions, regardless of the society and any realistic circumstances. That is why people call what is nowadays considered "terrorists" evil. It's a line that civilised people know not to cross. Does this answer your question?
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HomoUniversalis
Time for a custom title
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08-10-2005, 07:06 PM
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Yes. If you say that murder is always wrong, than I can accept that as a moral stance.
Mr U
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08-11-2005, 12:20 AM
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It's funny how the Bush administration stopped using the words "war on terror" and replaced them with "global struggle against extremism." So now, its not a war, and they are not terrorists, just extremists...so everyone just remain real still and quiet, cause Captain Bush will make the scary peoples stop hurting uselves.
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11-28-2007, 10:30 PM
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First of All , What Is Terrorism ?
But If U Mean The Reguler Type it's Simply I am not a terrorist
Who Attack Others Without No Right He Is The Terrorist
US Government as Example & So Many Governments
Terrorist = Criminal That's All
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