I've been round and round about this subject, but this whole matter about Choice in the matrix still doens't "compute" to me.

I mean: "the problem is choice" or "99% of the subject accept the program, even if they were given a choice only a subconscience level".
But if all the people inside in the matrix think the matrix it's absolute real, how can they ever choose a real "real", i mean, it's like asking a born blind man to choose about blue and green, if he never experience color, how can he (even subconscious) ever realize a difference to make a choice?

Can someone, please, explain me this like i'm a six-year-old...?

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I'm not sure I'm getting what you're asking.... do you mean why do people want out in the first place? how do they know there's actually an "out"?

If that's what you mean, the only way I can personally explain it is that people are always questioning life & experiences. Not everybody, and not all the time, but there is no one straight & narrow, when it really comes down to it. There's no ONE answer for life, the universe, and everything, right? Some people feel compelled to chase things they don't necessarily KNOW to be real or tangible -- it's just a feeling.

On the otherhand, I wouldn't be surprised if the former One of each matrix & the system as a whole supports the questing of various individuals within the matrix. For example, let's say Neo feels anxious. He feels unsatisfied. He feels like there should be some better answer out there, he doesn't know what, but his life is boring & there MUST be something more.... so he goes on the web and lo & behold there's a hint here, a clue there, left by freed individuals and programs who know what's going on. So then it's confirmed: there really IS something worth questioning, there really IS some other possibility. He still doesn't know what it is, but it isn't so intangible anymore, which makes it all the more appealing, all the more compelling. He's driven to learn the TRUTH, regardless that he has no idea what it is.

Just my thoughts on the matter....

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I get it: "like a splinter in your mind", so what you're saying is that when you're (quoting morpheus) "driving you(rself) mad", you're exercing your subsconcious right to make a choice.

But how you go from that, to being freed from the matrix, as it was agreed bettwen the arquitect and the oracle: "obsvialy, they will be freed"
And how's any different from someone coming from the real world and doing the same (like morpheus to neo) well before the 3 matrix?

And if so... When will I GET OUT ?!? (just kidding)


PS: tempest, sorry if sometimes i don't answer your reply right away, i have so much to do, that sometimes I just post a topic and just go and check it the next day, okay?

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No worries, we get back here when we can!

Okay, now I'm not really understanding what you're asking. But I'll take a stab at it..... so, you want to know how we go from "there MUST be something out there" to "hey, I'm out" ? Or is that not what you're asking?

Where the A & the O are concerned, my assumption is that since there are humans still living in Zion & there's a new world order (sorry, no pun intended) people are obviously going to learn much more easily about the "out there." There's Sati & O & a ton of humans around to tell them about it, to share the truth & tell them their options. So the A is just agreeing that once the humans still jacked in figure it out, he's not going to send agents after them & such to prevent them from leaving.

I don't think these people will actually have been questioning or questing for anything. I think it will be more like propaganda -- you know, like public announcement ads & such. Giving you stuff you didn't know you needed & now can't live without. (LOL)

Does that provide any valid direction for your thoughts? EDIT: ACK! I hope that doesn't sound like an insult! Your thoughts are perfectly valid, I'm just wondering if I helped any or simply caused confusion!

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Thanks a lot tempest, i'll see you post'ing around...

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what i think it is like even with the subconcious level of choice is that in the first matrix like smith said no one would accept it because the machines did all the thinkin for them and they had what they thought was no control. with the "splinter in your mind thing" it is that element of choice of weather to go searching for it or to stay relitavly normal to the "real world". i dont know what i really mean i guess i am trying to explain it to myself please someone tell me if i make any sense and if i dont please correct me.

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choice is just choice,,,,, in every day life... its not pertaining to taking the pills.
if humans were made to get up everyday & do the same thing in the same order,,,
thats y the 1st Martix collapsed

Well, I don't know the answer for certain but I have an idea at least. So, I guess at least that's something. Well, for those of you who are familiar with Kid's Story from the Animatrix. He typed " Someone tell me why it feels more real when I dream than it does when I am awake. " Or at least something along those lines, I havn't watched it in a while and I probobly should now for all extensive purposes but oh well. What if, he introduced the people with a simulated "real world". Yeah, I know. Major controdiction as to the real world and the matrix but oh well once again. What if it was made to be an exact duplicate of the real world. Something like that if it were say...the fields or something could probobly cause a good portion of the people given the choice to choose the matrix over such a dark and dessaray place. That's just my idea. It may not make complete sence to any of you but it clicks in my head.

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Only those who become aware of the matrix can make the choice, that is, the choice to accept the matrix or reject it and get out. Neo chose to save trinity instead of reloading zion...the Oracle chose to help the humans destroy smith and the matrix...etc.

To kinda quote the Oracle, "It's like being in love, no one can tell you [you're in the Matrix], you just know it, through and through, balls to bones". Ok you dont know you are nothing more than a battery, a slave to the machines, but you have the 'splinter in your mind'. You believe, you feel something isnt right, and you choose to follow it up. Cypher, had he been re inserted, would have felt this, and probably would have gone into it, but wouldnt have wanted to as he was before. There are those who feel it, but ignore, they live their whole lives in 'ignorance'.
The subconscious choice is like that of believing in god, some people do, because they feel he is real and there, and others dont, because they dont. Some people convert, because they feel Him when they hadnt before. The same is true of the matrix, with all the changes and bugs that exist in the system (eg. exiles), people are bound to notice things, such as the de ja vou (spelling), or just feel something. You never can be sure of things in life, and they doubt the world, see it not seeming real. However, how unfair that pretty much only hackers seem to get out. There are a few, but the majority are hackers.
*EDIT* changed it slightly

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When you look into an abyss, the abyss also looks into you. Friedrich Nietzsche

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