First off let me introduce myself...I am a Newbie who goes by the name Vlestat. It is an honor to be amongst you. I to have a penchant for over anlysing things to the point of obsession or addiction. You be the judge. Any way..I ramble. In keeping with the topic..I had a revalation last night as I pondered this thought..
I am a Red Pill , am I not?
The answer, it seems, is anything but simple.
I thought that I was a red pill because I related to the" feeling alone and something is wrong with the world " aspect of it.
Very much like Neo and the Kid. But as I continued to think, I realized that in order to be a red pill, I would have to prefer reality, no matter how harsh it is. My truth, as it seems, is that If I were given a choice to not have to deal with reality and live a life free of stress and pain, I would choose that . Saddly, life is life and the closest I can get to such a Blue Pill life is to lose myself in Music, the WB's wonderful trilogy,video games and well written books. And to that end I am grateful to this board. I have been able to watch the board and feed my mental hunger with your post's. What brought me to the Matrix was the WB's intellectually challenging way about themeselves. They made us all think as early as the first preview..."What is the Matrix". Most people only saw an "action film w/ great special effects". True, to be sure, it was all of that..but for us.....it was the world we suspected all along!
It is so very briliant! The action & fx aspect of the trilogy was "the wool that was pulled down over the eyes of the masses, to blind them of the truth" if you will. I am rambling again.
Yes, I am a blue pill pod born. The very statement of this brings melancholy to the surface for me. But it is my truth. We are...only what were meant to be.
I hope this newbie has not wasted anyones time....I hold you all in too high a regard. Thank you for allowing me to share.
The Vampyre Lestat
12/12/03
5:17pm i dont have time to talk much now but i just wanted to say welcome to the boards, i hope u can further our discussion and be a good addtition to the community
ps lol i ramble too, i feel ur pain
ill say more later Originally posted by VLestat
. . . If I were given a choice to not have to deal with reality and live a life free of stress and pain, I would choose that .
Okay, I respect your choice to stay in the Matrix, but the reason you gave is something i cannot understand. You said the matrix was stress free. That's wrong. In the matrix, if your mind thinks something bad is happening to you, your mind and body can suffer from the stress of it. For example, let's say you are back in the matrix and just another person oblivious to the truth. Then let's say you believe a tragedy has occurred, like your child dying in a terrible car crash. Your mind believes that this has happened, so your life is not free of pain or stress. The matrix is not a perfect world. Bad things happen in it all of the time, and people are experiencing those things. . . even if it is all in their heads. Remember when Neo stole a guys cell phone in M1. That guy would have felt stress from what he believed was a mugging. Stress is something that cannot be avoided. Humans expect bad things will happen, so in the matrix, that expectation "materializes" into an experience. A virtual experience, but an experience none the less.
I would take the red pill. I want to know exactly what's going on. Sure, I would miss parts of my previous life, but I would anticipate a new life, a life without outside forces controling me. samantha i understand what ur trying to say but try n think of it like this
im m1 cycher says "ignorance is bliss", he is referring to the fact that if he is put back into the matrix and he loses his memory then he will not know the reality of machines killing humans,or course the matrix is stressful and he still knows things, but if he were to be plugged back in he wouldnt know the TRUTH, and by not knowing it he is ignorant
basically life can be stressful(in the matrix) or it can be a hellofa lot more stressful( in the real world) but if ur in the real world you at least know the TRUTH
my definition of life consists of the good and the bad, if u do not experience both then u are not truly living, the thing that counts is how you react to those good and bad things and if u let the bad things get to u too much(you shouldnt because u should recognize that its a gift to feel bad things, that its part of living and u cant get around it)
i would not have chosen the "blue pill"(a simple life with me having no questions and being ignorant) over the "red pill"( a life full of ups and downs but while knowing the truth
p.s.
Vlestat said "It is so very briliant! The action & fx aspect of the trilogy was ""the wool that was pulled down over the eyes of the masses, to blind them of the truth"" if you will."
i never thought of it this way but its true, the people in the world that just saw it for a kungfu flick and say "i dont want to think about a movie i jsut want to be entertained" ARE THE MASSES
and all those that come to this froum are in a sense trying to further our education, we are all reaching for something beyond ourselves, we all took the red pill, the "truth" in regards to the movies is all the underlinings(is that a word?) that most people dont even see *Repeat everything MB said HERE*
eheheh... lazy bastard lol. Also, MB it reminds me of a song that says "With the wool pulled over their eyes, like getting knowledge in jail, it's a blessing in disguise". Which infact is true. And those people who want to say "its a kung fu action flick f*ck thinkin", well, they just miss the blessing in disguise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this trilogy is somehow a life-altering dose of knowledge, but I do feel like people who take it for only an action flick are missing out on something that is good, and I feel almost "lucky" that I got so into this movie and was able to dissect and understand most of what was being said and done throughout the flick. I feel that somehow I wouldn't be the same person had I not seen the trilogy, especially in order. I think MB I would also take the blue pill. While certainly dealing with my cat dying would be nicer than machines killing my species, I would just rather know. I mean, would you rather not watch tv and think that the world is in peace? or would you rather know that your countrymen were over in iraq dying for you, whether its pleasant or not. I'm a blue pill. hold on i thought the blue pill is if u want to stay in wonderland?
didnt neo take the red pill? if i screwed it up sorry but regardless id rather know the truth than be ignorant no matter what that truth is Oh yeah, I meant Im a red pill.... sorry for the typo, you were correct MB.. and if somebody tells me this is a spam I will hunt you down, ring your doorbell, and flick you off when you answer :) DUDE WHY DID U POST THAT SPAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHA I DOUGHT ANOY1 CARES ANYMORE, IT SEEMS LIKE ALL ANYONE WHO WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT SPAM ISNT EVEN HERE ANYMORE
LOL I SPAMMED AND AM NOT AT LIKE 306 OR SOMETHING HURRAY LOL!
Some are still here..............STOP SPAMMING!!!
I see where your coming from VLestat, if you had the choice to take the red pill and took it, life would be a hell of a lot less comfortable, but for me, i'd have to take it.
If i didn't, those quiet reflective moments that i sometimes have would be filled with so much guilt that my life would be truly unbearable.
Red pill all the way. okok that was like the first time i ever spammed, anywaz everyone is guilty of sometimes straying off topic and ramble(spamming) Ha! It's okay, i believe you, you've been around a while and i know your ok.
Yeah we do often stray from the subject here but thats the way of the place, i guess VLestat will be back to make sure that that doesn't happen!
Maybe he's changed his mind and decided he'd be red pill after all? Originally posted by MatrixBeliever
okok that was like the first time i ever spammed
I'm gonna spam right here, right now... so everybody reads that again :) But there is no red pills!
It's been said here that some would prefer to know and face the terrible truth than to live in an illussion, right?
But the truth is we don't need the matrix to create that illussion world, we created ourselfs and feed on it everyday, cause that's better than face the truth. That we're just another product of evolution, made of the same matter of worms, rocks or even s*hit.
That we are only as important as knowned...
But we like like to think we're SOOO superior to all other races just cause we're intelligent. Note: The insects we're here 600 millions years before us and they will be well after we're gone.
Smith said this in the end of revolutions. Truth, love, freedom, peace is all luxuries of perception, constructions of a mind tryin desperality to justify a existence both without meaning and purpose, all as artificial as the matrix itself.
So we create these ethereal illusion concepts to make us believe we are more than just the sum of natural strokes of luck. And refuse to belief that this concepts (Truth, love, freedom, peace, etc, etc, etc ) are just frivolus atempts to bring some kind of "mystic" meaning to purally pratical sollutions
of evolutions continuality.
Would i take the blue pill? S*it, i take it everyday... it all depends on what u believe in, it seems like u dont believe in anything that u cant see oraclitect,
but regardless I try and persue the truth, its the journey that determines what pill u take What truth...? (just kidding)
It's not that, it's just that it is very easy for the EGO to feed on the believe that we are more than we really are. We WANT to believe that, so we do.
That's not the truth, that's self-centered thoughts.
Can't "spirituality" be just a section of the brain? can't "love" be just a mind construct function based on a physical need? We have to face these questions before persuing a objective truth.
The EGO is the worst enemy of interior grow.
A true searcher of the truth is the cientist, before envocing such concepts as "soul" or "God", we will give all the metafisic explainaxions for the entire Universe.
If I start from this (humilde) base point, therefore all that i will choose to believe about the "greatness" of man will be much more valid and true...
Like this thought i heard:
"The man is more than the sum of their parts, just like a music is more than the sum of their notes"
Thanks for your time.. [QUOTE]Originally posted by samantha739
[B]Okay, I respect your choice to stay in the Matrix, but the reason you gave is something i cannot understand. You said the matrix was stress free. That's wrong. In the matrix, if your mind thinks something bad is happening to you, your mind and body can suffer from the stress of it. For example, let's say you are back in the matrix and just another person oblivious to the truth. Then let's say you believe a tragedy has occurred, like your child dying in a terrible car crash. Your mind believes that this has happened, so your life is not free of pain or stress.
Samantha...I see your reasoning. Please know that my intention is to see the Matrix figuretively not literally. My " Matrix" if you will, is the break from reality that I so desperately need. Take for instance the Why. ..
Why do I come to this board? I come here for release from my worries and stress. This community intrigues me as does the Matrix Trilogy/Animatrx/Enter the Matrix. I LOVE to get lost in this stuff. I LOVE the thought that goes into such a wonderful project as this!
Yes, you are right. To a degree we are all red pills. But that part of me exists that wishes I didn't have to pay bills, lose my cat, have friends who have passed away and so on and so forth.
There is a side to me that wishes for utopia. What I used to find in drugs, I now find in other venues such as the Matrix trilogy.
Which is what got me thinking in the first place! Along these lines Im not so sure it's a "right or wrong" issue. I think it's more a "as you see it applying to your life issue". Dontcha think? I guess for me it is a Red pill ='s real life VS. Blue pill ='s escape from the real world.
But I definately get your point and it makes sense literally.
As always, It is an honor to be amongst you & I thank everyone for allowing me to share. I relish the posts and thoughts that you, in kind ,have shared with me! You all allow me moments of respite from an otherwise stressfull life and for that I am in your debt.
The Vampyre Lestat
12/16/03
3:29pm OK well first of let me say that I respect all of your replies, but I kind of am on both sides, and I will contradict myself in the following reply. Well I know some people will defenetly choose the Blue pill, because if you are materialistic you will want luxury, which in the "Real World" you can't have. Another reason that I believe that people would choose the blue pill is because to know the truth is to be determined to die with no real porpuose, in the Matrix you believe that you have a porpouse, and that is why you live and have expectations, in the "Real World" there is no way you can persue dreams or sucvvh things, besides peace. After peace what comes, nothing there is no more for the people in the real world to do, but wait until the war starts over or something. The Earth is F$%#ed up and you can't fix it. Now I would like the idea of taking the blue pill, but I am a total rebel to anything that a mojority prefers. So the good part of the red pill is that you can live the truth, jack in and be whatever you want, you also have "true love" whatever that is. so i wont argue anymore cause now my head hurts. Welcome to the land of blue pills, VLestat. The path of the one is made by the many. We all dump our thoughts on this forum but that means our minds our less clouded and that the simple fact that everyone here communicates with each other means your not alone. Originally posted by neo7272003
Welcome to the land of blue pills, VLestat. The path of the one is made by the many. We all dump our thoughts on this forum but that means our minds our less clouded and that the simple fact that everyone here communicates with each other means your not alone.
Indeed, neo7272003....Indeed!
The Vampyre Lestat
12/29/03
1:02 PM i would take the red pill. i could always later hack back into the matrix if i whant to.
and i rather be in the real world. well because it's real I would definately choose the red pill. I know where the BLUE PILL (http://pbskids.org/rogers/) would take me. If you had the same lives that you have now, but you were given the choice to choose between the red or the blue pill, what would you choose? I've asked this question to lots of my friends and I'm the only one that says "Blue".
The matrix offers the one thing that the real world doesn't. Pleasure.
The real world offers a life of coldness, war, and "eating the same goddamn goop every day".
The matrix offers the woman in the red dress, juicy steak, and really good noodles.
As much as I'd like to take the red pill and free my mind, I'm much too comfortable with the digital life that I've made for myself. Maybe once I hit my 30's I'll feel differently. if i could i would take the blue pill but then be jacked back in and have the best life heaps of money not have to go to work, millions of friends,cool hair just be happy. My knee-jerk reaction is to say, "the red pill, of course!" But your question made me stop to actually ponder the situation, and not just respond based upon the feelings & thoughts engendered by the movies & the hero's story therein.
And the truth is that I'm pretty happy with my life, and wouldn't be willing to sacrifice what I have: a wonderful husband, 3 great kids, some pretty interesting extended family, a bevy of friends..... life is never easy, but at least it is pleasant & filled with love & laughter. That may sound cliche, but it is all that I need to make my world go 'round.
But more than that, I'd have to say that I'm not looking for anything. I've done my questing & soul searching, and I'm fully comfortable with my identity and also with my place in things. I'm satisfied with my basic interpretation of life, the universe, and everything, and all the learning I do now is more for the sheer pleasure of mind expansion, rather than a driving need for answers.
So, to be honest, I guess I'd never be one who was offered the choice in the first place.... lucky you, tempest01 - Altho your username would suggest otherwise!
I envy you... lol, well, yes, I can understand that. Tempest has been one of 2 handles that I've used on the web for as long as it's been around -- well, readily available to the masses anyway, so..... so we have to grow to the point where we're comfy with our identity, we don't start out that way! It was a process, to be sure. A decade ago I definitely had a driving need for answers. ;) Originally posted by Tempest01
It was a process, to be sure. A decade ago I definitely had a driving need for answers. ;)
...and it is probably why you are so content today. Your search for your own truth has provided the answers and foundation that you need...but, in reference to the topic...if the basis for your search was proven to be false (if reality were, in truth, a Matrix and you were made aware of it), would your current scenario hold the same value?
I'm asking because I am in a similar situation...very content and (what I consider) successful. HOwever, I'm not sure to what level I would be effected if reality was proven to be unreal. I understand the concept of "if I believe it is real...it is," but would real feelings and emotions, real beliefs and ideologies based on a false world still hold instrinsic value?
I don't have the answer myself...curious what you think. hummmmm red or blue.
if i choose red, i would lose my family, my friends and all my belongings.
but i would see the truth. and i could just hack in again. but :( i would realise that all my things where fake. that "example" my mother isn't my real mom and stuff like that.
this is difficult.
i would choose BLUE. i like my life the way it is. (and i don't whant to eat the same goop every day :p) an excellent train of thought, bLindsAge. I will try to describe how it is for me....
You know, I think that my comfort level is based partially upon the fact that I genuinely believe that this existence we're in right now is IT. I don't believe in God or heaven or hell, and I don't believe in reincarnation. I don't really even believe in karma, although I like to tease about it, and I think that there's an aspect to karma that holds true, which I won't go into right now. I do not think it is wrong to believe in these things, I just don't believe in them myself.
Given this, the only truth that really matters (to me) is that which I perceive in the here & now. Would it matter that the smell of cut grass, the warmth of the fire, the sweet burst of the mango, the melody of the crickets & peepers in the night, the glorious full moon were not all real? That my children were not actually born of my body, or that I'd never touched my husband? I have a mental & emotional connection to all of those experiences and that makes them real. Could I reconcile the loss of those connections? I really don't think I could.
One of the things that I really had to learn in my life was how to be happy: how to not depend upon everything being right or perfect or even answered..... how to just live in the moment, to really enjoy or experience the moment -- even the difficult or challenging ones -- and how to really see the beauty around me. (In contrast, it is far easier to be bleak; it takes virtually no effort.) As such, even if I was presented with the proof that there was another truth about our existence I wouldn't be drawn to it, because these experiences are real to me, simply because I perceive them to be real.
In a way it's like not needing to prove a point when you're in an argument. You don't need to make someone else agree to what you believe because ultimately it only matters that you know the truth. (this is not to say I don't enjoy arguing sometimes, lol) For example, I spent most of my teens & twenties trying to prove to my parents (and the world in general) that I would be my own person. At long last I simply don't care what they think of me -- that's their baggage. The only thing that is important is what *I* think of me. Does that make any sense? I pick blue! If i knew this world was fake and just a "pixelization" i would go on a killing spree and stuff :D Red pill...why pick pleasure or fallacy when it isn't real, living without the essence of reality if a waste of life? Sure the real world might theoretically be bland or unpleasurable, but it didn't seem so in Reloaded *grin, shallow moment* there can be no pleasure without sacrifice, it would be unbalanced. I think VLestat has already made a thread asking the same question but seeing as this one's got some good posts in it i wont make a fuss, just try and look around or use the search before you post if you can please Double A. you know what would be awsome, if you took both the blue pill and the red pill. you might be unjacked from the matrix, but still have your mind in the matrix. sort of like neo in mobil ave. thats my theory anyway I'd take the blue and the red pill. Than I would go the nearest rave party, and buy a ****load of the good ol' X.
Than, I'd mix the X into a good ol' cocktail with some ***** and some serious Wodka. Than I'd take the Blue pill, open it, and pour the **** into the cocktail.
Than I'd go to the nearest lab, and make pills out of the cocktail, and sell them, and make a fortune. Than, I would take the red pill, and suffocate when it get's stuck in my neck.
I prefer the brown pill, anyways, it's taken rectal. Alright, threads merged, not a problem anymore. Anything above Double A's post is the old thread, anything below is the new part of the thread. :)
I would not like to take the red pill because I wouldn't want to forever leave my family, but part of me will forever be bored with this life and it's mundanacity (From the Dictionary in my head), I might just leave them knowing that perhaps I could free at least my son. And I don't mind living with just about nothing, I think Zion would be much better in a lot of ways. I would be dirty and doing hard work all the time, and fighting for my survival on levels I've never had to. A much more quality life if you ask me. :) Originally posted by superman_0351
*Repeat everything MB said HERE*
eheheh... lazy bastard lol. Also, MB it reminds me of a song that says "With the wool pulled over their eyes, like getting knowledge in jail, it's a blessing in disguise". Which infact is true. And those people who want to say "its a kung fu action flick f*ck thinkin", well, they just miss the blessing in disguise. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this trilogy is somehow a life-altering dose of knowledge, but I do feel like people who take it for only an action flick are missing out on something that is good, and I feel almost "lucky" that I got so into this movie and was able to dissect and understand most of what was being said and done throughout the flick. I feel that somehow I wouldn't be the same person had I not seen the trilogy, especially in order. I think MB I would also take the blue pill. While certainly dealing with my cat dying would be nicer than machines killing my species, I would just rather know. I mean, would you rather not watch tv and think that the world is in peace? or would you rather know that your countrymen were over in iraq dying for you, whether its pleasant or not. I'm a blue pill. okay, i would love to take the red pill, but logically, lets say that you are offered a selection of pills from a creepy black dude in an abandoned house wearing a leather jacket and weird glasses, surrounded by people just like him and computers. Anyone want a brain? creepy...........I get it. you see, for the one, and a super smart hacker, Neo really is a dick head. or a junkie... an exhibitionist of drugs. (food for thought((hope you don't go insane :idea: )))
"Could we just be conciousness the very spirits of the things we call bodies. Could our eyes actually be vessel through our conciousness to connect to the universal conciousness of it all and by the way how do you know if you are dead or not??"
"Could the very idea of the matrix be incorrect yet so pitufully close to the truth??"
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