If it is really a cyborg?

When it comes to computers we should always remember one thing and that is cyborg.In the matrix world we would be expecting two or three powerful cyborgs.Now the question comes that if there is a presence of a cyborg then it would be on whose side.The humans or the machines?We have two reasons:1]A cyborg is generally a human modified robot.2]A cyborg is modified by the help of machines.I want different views on it.

A squiddie is a cyborg. Deus Ex Machine is a Cyborg. What's your point?

Cyberorganism just means it's a mechanical organism...

HU

I thought Dues Ex was part genetically enhanced human part robot ,but of course im talking about the game, great game by the way talks a lot about the illuminati and other secret factions[getting back on topic now] is that not what cyborgs are humans modified with machine implants/limbs, and when it comes to choosing sides it would depend on how "far" its gone if it is more machine than human it might choose to side with them, and the same goes if it is more human it will choose the human side

Deus ex, means "from God". Deus Ex Machina means "Created from God".

Which basicly means something tosted into a story without an explanation (think batman's belt. Anti-Shark spray.. that sort of thing..).

However the WB translated it into God of the Machines, or someone mistranslated it, and now that giant machine Neo talks to in Revolutions bears that name.

However this is besides the point. A cyborg is an ai inside a robot, doing animal-like stuff.

HU

When it comes to computers we should always remember one thing and that is cyborg.In the matrix world we would be expecting two or three powerful cyborgs.Now the question comes that if there is a presence of a cyborg then it would be on whose side.The humans or the machines?We have two reasons:1]A cyborg is generally a human modified robot.2]A cyborg is modified by the help of machines.I want different views on it.

Truth about cyborgs emotions grant what side you are apon.As for me i think to turn to see ways of being sympathetic for both sides,yet be neutral.I am a cyborg irl due to an accident to wich i will not tell for even to me that accident did hidious damage to my body :cry: :PI: :idea: :mf: :neo:

Actually, the truest definition of a cyborg is a mesh of machine and human biology. Cable from the X-men is a cyborg, and so is the Terminator, though very marginally so.
And Deus Ex......is the game from Ion Storm! What were you thinking; HU? :p

Actually, the truest definition of a cyborg is a mesh of machine and human biology. Cable from the X-men is a cyborg, and so is the Terminator, though very marginally so.
And Deus Ex......is the game from Ion Storm! What were you thinking; HU? :p
honestly that is straight to the point mac :neo: :PI: :p :cool: :mf:

A cyborg doesn't have to be a full machine, infact a human with one or more mechanical or electronic devices implanted can be called a cyborg. Same with an animal, which is unlikely, all it takes is a few things that replace the original biological components to enhance it (super strength, telescopic vision, etc.).

Really, anyone who has tooth fillings or a pacemaker could be considered a cyborg, but anyone with unnatural abilities is what its usually reserved for. I think a cyborg is what we choose it to be because someone with a robotic leg would have never crossed your mind as a cyborg. Though a full moving, made machine would mostly be a cyborg because its highly advanced, and its attributes are unhuman.

You would actually have to put it in order as in: One mechanic part= 1% Cyborg, Two mechanic parts= 2% Cyborg and so on. Because only 100% Mechanic could be true cyborg unlike a 1% mechanic.

yeah what cybornetic parts i got irl might make you laugh,cry,vomit,ect.

my ex-g/f thought i was cheating on her ans she cut my um...well is some thin' important to a guy than a girl..."that" and she cut my hand off

She castrated you? What the hell? And I suppose you have a mechanical John Thomas now?

That wouldn't necessarily be castration, would it? It would be like him and JW Bobbitt (sp?) sitting in the same boat. But seriously man, they don't have the technology to make that mechanical while still functional. Keep going though, I'm sure some people are getting aroused by this.

what i know there are 3 kinds

Robot - Cyborg - android

robots are fully mechanical
cyburgs are machine's with some biomechanical parts
android half human, machine

That wouldn't necessarily be castration, would it? It would be like him and JW Bobbitt (sp?) sitting in the same boat. But seriously man, they don't have the technology to make that mechanical while still functional. Keep going though, I'm sure some people are getting aroused by this.
IT WASNT TO HOT FOR ME!!! infact it is painful! :neo: :cry: :(

Not exactly. Actually come to think of it, I, Robot isn't very accurate with its terminology; of course that's because it was the first of its kind back then.

Robot - Anything fully Mechanical - Example: Sentinel
Cyborg - Organic with mechanical in a symbiotic fusion. That is, fully co-operative. A plastic hip wouldn't count. Example: Cable, T-800 and even so they say the T-1000 and TX
Android - A Robot with the general shape and ability to act like a human. Example: Data from Star Trek, sm4113r

once again mac saves us all

I assume you mean b1663r, Mac? In any case, I do not agree with your take on Cybernetic organism. An organism refers to a biological being. True, however, a cybernetic organism could just refer to the fact that it is an organism that is completely cybernetic, yet still functions as a basic organism.

Thus, a toaster is not a cyborg, but a robotic killing machine is. I'll leave Cable in the middle, as the definition of Cyborg is just too aspecifiy. Besides, I doubt they use to those terms in robotics anyway :D.

Mr U

some say thjat others say diffrent but i still say a cybor is a victom to choose for it is half human and half machien

Strange....I can't find 'cyborg' in the dictionary. 'Cybernetic' on the other hand says 'The science of communication and control between machines and animals (Including man)'. Not exactly helpful. :p
I don't follow your cybernetic organism bit. I didn't say those words, actually. Anyway, the Terminators are deemed cyborgs because at least in the case of the T-800 a layer of synthetic human flesh covered its frame, supposedly tied to the machine's functions. I think Arnie explains this halfway through the second movie or something. Also, taking an example from Star Trek, everyone knows the Borg; a race of beings who graft cybernetics on themselves supposedly for purity. This blend of organics/machinary essentially gives them their name: Borg, from the word CyBorg.

Now, I just don't know why the word can't be found in my dictionary...

cause they never have the true meaning of it mac :p

I guess it's just not a scientific term.

Woohoo. Just found the definition in one of my web-based dics:

[n] a human being whose body has been taken over in whole or in part by electromechanical devices; "a cyborg is a cybernetic organism"

I guess we were both correct. As long as a 'machine' looks and acts like an organism, it's a cyborg. However, it's a cyborg too when you have 'Deus Ex'-like implants.

I'm not sure whether the name borg was actually derived from Cyborg. It does look like it, and at first I believed that too, but I'm sure a gigantic thinktank composing of billions of minds acting as one could think of something less cheesy a derivation.

Mr U

Heh heh...the thing is, the writers came up with that name, not the all-consuming species. You shoulda seen the earliest generation of the suckers...wait, you must have. Ugly buggers. :D
Yep, all cybernetically enhanced humans or biologically enhanced machines are cyborgs; 'Deus Ex' certainly included. No need to put a precedent over which type gains dominance, heh heh. Speaking about Deus Ex...anyone played both its incarnations? There are so many questions they raise...I seriously need to chat this out!

I'm not sure what you mean. The only game I played was the original Deus Ex, since that was the only one to come out for PC. The sequel, which is also avaible for pc, I haven't played yet since my comp can't handle it, sadly. I do plan on playing it as soon as I get my new one though (in a year, *starts crying*).

Hmm.. I did get the idea though that DX-2 wasn't as good as the first game. What's your take on it, looking at it in a 'storyline'-kinda way?

Mr U

Ok...how do I start <excited girly giggle>?
Firstly, gaming wise the game is weaker. Skills and the experience-point system have been thrown away i.e. there is no developable skill to pick a lock easier. The game is also X-Boxed meaning things are blocky, simplified and a little more cartoony. It's not as gritty and expansive as the original. Physics and fighting is also not as good or complex, but there are good changes as well, such as the wider selections of weapon mods and the universality of ammo.
Now, story wise. Thing is; this isn't really DX2 but DX:IW or Invisible War. There isn't an official '2nd' connotation, and indeed there is actually another sequel intended (though how it could happen beats me). The game picks up where the last ended: JC merged with Helios and became all-powerful, but unstable. As a result, he retreated to the Antartic, raising a base from the ice itself (sound familiar?) and hid himself in there in a comatose state; to be awakened King Arthur-style when the necessary technology and time would be available. The world, deprived of a communications hub (thus actually two of the endings occured simultaneously), plunged into a semi-Dark Age. When you start, the world is already recovering under the soundly-governed capitalist administrations of the WTO, which is being threatened by a fundamentalist movement named the Order. This is but the most outer layer: as per Deus Ex style the rest of the game is filled with surprises, including an interesting subplot featuring a Coffee Bean/Starbucks - styled business war.
Deep? Yes it is, though its hard to compare it to Deus Ex 1. DX had more depth and sheer mileage than IW, definitely, but IW still has its fair share of the conspiracy-ish philosophies spouted in DX. And yes, the Illuminati are back in force. ;)
That's all I can say, I think. Ask, and I definitely will explain. :)

Not exactly. Actually come to think of it, I, Robot isn't very accurate with its terminology; of course that's because it was the first of its kind back then.

Robot - Anything fully Mechanical - Example: Sentinel
Cyborg - Organic with mechanical in a symbiotic fusion. That is, fully co-operative. A plastic hip wouldn't count. Example: Cable, T-800 and even so they say the T-1000 and TX
Android - A Robot with the general shape and ability to act like a human. Example: Data from Star Trek, sm4113r


lol at the android spot. your forgetting android 18 and 17 from dragonball Z :p

so its all solved?

Lol...I pretty much suppose it is. Anyway, since HU didn't reply, I think I'll just raise one of Deus Ex's interesting ideas to chew.
One of the sayings they quote is roughly that if you take away the Common Man's hardships, you take away their rebelliousness. I.e. people don't talk or complain or comment or generally want to change things and their way of life if you don't give them much to complain about. In Deus Ex it's one of the principles of the Illuminati, and the WTO follows that doctrine in IW. When people are generally well-off, they tend less to care about the loss of freedom, be it in speech or so on. As long as the government does everything; why bother?
I feel this is pretty much so in my country. We have a government that just about gives us all we need: we have prospered for the longest in SE Asia. Though freedom of vote, press, speech and so on are shockingly limited to the Western world, most of us don't care that much. It works; why bother? Sure, we gripe alot and have our fun anti-government jokes and such in coffee houses or something, but no-one is really inclined to do something big about it; and not really because we might fear retribution. Pretty interesting, especially with the recent Prime Minister handover that you may or may not have heard in your international news. So; your views? Ever thought such a society could actually exist? :D ;)

mac is the problem solver

I assume you mean b1663r, Mac? In any case, I do not agree with your take on Cybernetic organism. An organism refers to a biological being. True, however, a cybernetic organism could just refer to the fact that it is an organism that is completely cybernetic, yet still functions as a basic organism.

Thus, a toaster is not a cyborg, but a robotic killing machine is. I'll leave Cable in the middle, as the definition of Cyborg is just too aspecifiy. Besides, I doubt they use to those terms in robotics anyway :D.

Mr U

No, Mac's right. I'm pretty much an android.

:D I knew it would come back to haunt me someday. Yep, I actually thought sm4113r was a character in Animatrix! :p

:D I knew it would come back to haunt me someday. Yep, I actually thought sm4113r was a character in Animatrix! :p

i thought it was too

well i think there are 2 typ's of cyborgs
cyborgs that are more human and cyborgs that are more robot (or mechanicle)

im a bit mor robot irl than human