Neo: blind but can still see??

mpiper

This post is in response to an old post I read near the beginning of December. I couldn't find it, so I am posting it separately.

This is my first post, but I have been visiting and reading this forum since about October.

So, on to my topic:
One person asked how Neo could see in the real world without his eyes. When possible solutions were provided, the response was "it has to match physics, this is the real world."

Here is my take on this:
Everything we see, feel, smell, etc. are copies, not the original. Our eyes do not, technically "see." Our eyes contain rods and cones that recieve the photons of light that hit them. These rods and cones then produce signals in response and these signals are transmitted through our nerves to a location at the back of the brain. This part of the brain then interprets the signals and creates the images we "see."

Technically, this is how every sense works. This is the basic premise of the Matrix, that signals sent directly to the brain are indistiguishable from the "real" thing.

The signals, or nerve impulses, are electrical in nature.

It has been proven that when people receive damage to their brain, different parts may take over the function of the damaged part. All nerves carry signals in the same manner.

If Neo's eyes are burned out, his ability to see still exists, it is just the "camera" of his eyes that have been damaged. His ears, nose, skin, etc. still function to accept information from his environment to produce nerve signals (sound, heat, winds, etc.)

Given that Neo can see code in the Matrix, as well as the images the code produces, we can safely assume his brain has been trained to both accept the signals the code produces, but also the raw code that is the source of the signals.


So we have the following factors:
1. the ability of the human body to adapt to changes and try to compensate for damage.
2. Neo's brain is different from the average humans ("the One").
3. Neo can interpret nerve signals like all humans, but can also see and recognize the matrix code that produces the artificial nerve signals.
4. Neo's ability to see is undamaged, bue he lacks the ability to recieve the eyes' signals to produce sight.

If you put those together, you get the following:
Neo is able to accept nerve input from his ears, skin, nose, etc. and can construct a virtual image in his mind (sight) that he can use to see with.
Notice he only sees objects that produce a stimulant to nerves (people {body heat, breathing, sounds of movement}, the computer city {which is a giant network with electricity [heat, sound] and data traveling through it}, etc..) Plain walls and floors are not visible, only people and stong electrical sources.

The reason Neo sees Smith and not bane is the same all audience members knew it: Bane used Smith's speech pattern, breathing pattern, etc. Without the false (bane) image from his eyes, his mind recognized the rest of the signals as belonging to Smith, not Bane.

Possible arguement: How can the small sources be picked up and provide info to Neo?
Response: Blind people (especially people who are blind from birth) learn to use their remaining senses better and can use an internal "picture" of their home to navigate, recognize people, etc. If Neo's brain is different than the average human's, he could adjust to taking in the remaining input faster than normal and be able to distinguish small sources better.

Comments and thoughts????
stalin6025

http://www.matrixmania.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9733&highlight=cannot+see+trinity

heres that thread you were after.
mpiper

That's not the exact thread I read, but it is on the same topic.
Thanks!!

Any comments or opinions about my theory??
alkazapper

I can't say much about science comment though but... , given the capability(ies) that Neo showed in the Matrix, I think he does has MORE than average that of an ordinary human.

His ability to stop the marauding Sentinels shows that he has either a Telekenesis ability or Phycic ability. That also show that he has a a Sixth Sense when he became blind.
viceversa

ok ,
first of all neo didn't see everything in the real world . he could only see things that has a connection with the machines

neo touched the source so he can see things that the source see
and that's how he stopped the sentinals

well, thats the way i understood it
Morpher

I agree mpiper. In fact you wrote exactly that what I've tried to explain in many other threads for some time now. I think that your profession or interests are similar to mine, aren't they?
Freddy Krueger

humm yout theory is right i think. when neo lost his eye's he lost his human vision. but he could still see machines, every thing that whas a machine or program he could see it.
his powers where almost at full when he lost his human eye's, with his machine vision he could see how the machine city realy looks.

we just see large metal things and robots. but neo can see the sort of souls of the machines.
Smith 101

The ONLY reason why Neo was able to see the machines in the real world is that he is connected with the machines as he is the One. And he sees the matrix because it is all in his mind.
viceversa

Souls of the machines?
what do u exactly mean by this?

rest of the theory: the thing that i don't understand how could neo been able to send signals to the machines -like stoping the sentinals- yes he is connected to the source but that's in the matrix not in the real world

it's confusing
Morpher

I will say it again. Question that must be asked first is:
How do machines communicate?
I think they use so called radio waves. (Generally people uses voice but also radio waves). Researches on human brain show that it produces electomagnetic field. The brain can also be stimulated by the field.
Then Neo could expand his ability to receive, decode and transmit using machines' language. He could learn to generate, to concentrate and to direct these waves. They could be strong enough to destroy machines' chips.
Freddy Krueger

with souls i mean, neo can see with his machine vision the inside or sort of living part of the machines.
when we see the big brain machine (the big one with the spikes) and it forms a face, we don't see the face very clear. but neo with his machine vision does see the face clear and it's the face of the architect.
viceversa

y neo is the only one who could generate these waves?

and plz don't answer by saying: cuz he is the one

and how could the human mind decode machine language?
the mind is not equiped with electromagnetic wave decoder that is impossible
Freddy Krueger

HE IS THE ONE :p

neo is conected to the machine source, he can feel/see machines/programs his brain can decode what machines say.
Morpher

Originally posted by viceversa
y neo is the only one who could generate these waves?

and plz don't answer by saying: cuz he is the one

and how could the human mind decode machine language?
the mind is not equiped with electromagnetic wave decoder that is impossible

People learn languages. Many of them are even codding their programs using machine code (deeper then Assembler). Mathematicians and physicians use the language of numbers. They can imagine connections between them.
Watch the Discovery channel or any similar program (or simply search the Internet). They show programs about blind people that can see using some electronic chips. The same with dead (deaf) ones. There were many experiments (usually military) to steer a simulator using brain (generated electromagnetic field). There are many more examples. When combined they can give you the answer. And remember it was only a movie. And it is about the future and much more advanced technologies.
BTW. Simple questions:
- Do you believe they could connect a computer to a brain and send there images like inside the Matrix and hovercrafts? If you don't believe it is possible then:
- How can you see the objects when you are dreaming? You don't use your eyes then.

(I know a lot about the stuff. It is my purpose to know and to use many of above. I am a programmer I know most of computer languages, I am a mathematician, physician, electronics engineer. I program industrial robots and PLCs)
viceversa

alright
CyTech

Of all this talk, did someone forget to mention that humans released from the battery farming machines actually aren't 100% human if you think about it, just keep that in mind :D
viceversa

Originally posted by CyTech
Of all this talk, did someone forget to mention that humans released from the battery farming machines actually aren't 100% human if you think about it, just keep that in mind :D

i know, but can u explain more?

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