Most people into part 1 spotted the numbers 101 and 303 alot. (for instance : the room number of the trinity openings scene in part 1).
I saw reloaded once now, and spotted 101 twice :
When the go to the frenchman, they get out of the elevator, above the middle of the elevators : 101.
The highway they are on is the 101 (Morpheus tells trinity to take the 101).
Any more? room 303 is also the one neo goes thru before Smith kills him in M1 thats because he comes back in M1 to the same room. It was a "patch on an old exit." Symbolically, he is now with Trinity (or about to be). Ummm the opposite of living is not the living dead...living has no opposite because the opposite would be dying but dying and living are the same thing....dying....one cannot ever live when their path undoubtably veers toward death...even Morpheus notes that in the movies...I can't remember exactly where but when Neo talks about dying Morpheus tells him that he has lived... Living is positive, death is zero. To be truley alive means to be active in doing what is right. Death is nothing, to be not. The opposite of life it to actively ingaged in wrong. To live is to speak and love the truth, death is to say nothing, but the undead speak and love the lie. Those of us still plugged into the Matrix aren't dead, nor are they alive; they are the living death. They are dead and they are active in that death. I didn't know you meant that in a strictly Matrix sense....I took your sig to be talking about the world WE live in....sorry....my mistake.... I take the Matrix to be a metaphor for various aspects of this world. I believe God made us good and said in the day we disobey Him we would surely die. I don't think He was kidding. We ARE dead, and we are ACTIVE in this death. We did not get off of the train of Life, but it has derailed and we continue but in the opposite of true life. When we read that we are dead in sin and trespass, I believe it to be literally true. Humanity is the living dead, a vampiric version of what we were originally. I don't know whether is has been mentioned or not, but as I watched M1 yesterday, I realized, for the first time, that Neo - or Thomas Anderson - lives i apartement 101.. I've thought about it ever since.. and then I ended up here.. Funny.. I don't know whether is has been mentioned or not, but as I watched M1 yesterday, I realized, for the first time, that Neo - or Thomas Anderson - lives in apartement 101.. I've thought about it all night.. and then I ended up here.. Funny.. Yep and you will find in Orwell's "1984" that Room 101 is where your greatest fear is. For Winston that was rats :p
The Matrix is great because of the sheer amount of intertextuality to keep us occupied and thinking :) i wonder wats the signaifaganece of 101 and 303 2 the borthers I'd seen Matrix uncountable times and never noticed the 101 thing until I watched it just before M2 with a friend.
For some reason, that time I seemed to notice everything. The 101 and 303 symbols.
The best thing was when my friend asked me about the Oracle, and it hit me then, of course she must be a program. There was no other explanation. And then a mere couple hours later, M2 proved it right. And then went on to have many more links with Matrix than I would have noticed had I not watched it right before. Yes, ONCE AGAIN, this forum has opened my eyes to a new symbol and aspect. I never noticed 101 or 303 before now. Anyone have any clue to the meaning of it all? Love", written in Greek language, "h agaph", gives as numerical value 101 = 8+1+3+1+80+8.
By using as the correspondence table A=1, B=2, ..., Z=26, we find that "Sun Of God" gives 101.
The numerical values of Hebrew word MIKAL meaning the Michael archangel, MLVKE meaning kingdom and also virgin princess, gives each one 101.
Just random stuff off the internet. Probably doesn't apply, but whatever, it's there. The most obvious would be that the 101 seems to refer to NEO (The One).
The 303 seems to refer to Trinity (Being three)
Although I'm sure there is going to be an even deeper meaning there.
That's one of the things I like about the Matrix series, it all works on a superficial level, but when you get deeper, it works even better. And it seems that no matter how deep you go, there is even more that you can get out of it. i think all the good things have come form the precence of 101
where as 303 tends to bring the bad steps, or was it the other way round,
i gotta watch them both again and check it out, i bet the architcts room has 101 and 303 hidden above the 2 doors somewhere signifying what one he should have taken!! The best thing was when my friend asked me about the Oracle, and it hit me then, of course she must be a program. There was no other explanation. And then a mere couple hours later, M2 proved it right. And then went on to have many more links with Matrix than I would have noticed had I not watched it right before.
See, there's one problem with that....I don't believe she actually fessed up to being a program....see throughout the movies there's been a strange thing happening, Neo provides answers but no one verifies them....like when he said that the Oracle was the mother of the matrix and he said "Please!" very defiantly....I still believe she's a program but it makes one wonder doesn't it? Still, it's very peculiar you noticed right before seeing reloaded.....and congrats on figuring out the oracle's identity....the Matrix is difficult to figure out unless you have the mind of a programmer, which thankfully I do :) I take the Matrix to be a metaphor for various aspects of this world. I believe God made us good and said in the day we disobey Him we would surely die. I don't think He was kidding. We ARE dead, and we are ACTIVE in this death. We did not get off of the train of Life, but it has derailed and we continue but in the opposite of true life. When we read that we are dead in sin and trespass, I believe it to be literally true. Humanity is the living dead, a vampiric version of what we were originally.
I understand what you are saying, and I have great respect for it. I, however, cannot take it as my own. I could at one time, but as since I have chosen a more agnostic path, I see things slightly skewed from your vision, though I can see where you're coming from. I believe in one thing: one should be good and respectful to other humans, but if they treat you with no respect you should do the same to them. An eye for an eye as it were. In these times we've done no different than past generations of humans. We're no more violent no matter what people would like to think, and I'm not saying you're one of those people BTW. We're just more open about it than we were in the previous century. People in the middle ages experienced violence just as those before them and those after them. Today it's just more visible and less personal. We're not going in a downward spiral, we're just rotting in a sea of idiocy. Racism, hate, and greed run rampant and that, my friend, is what makes us, in your view, the living dead. Humans by nature are this way and have been since the beginning of our history, though if we take a biblical standpoint it started with Adam,. I'm sorry. My views were more literal, a.k.a. to live is to die for if one is to live one must also be capable of death since for life to exist an opposite must exist, namely death. I tend to take things literally because I'm very much cynical. I'm also much more "wordy." :) Originally posted by zync
See, there's one problem with that....I don't believe she actually fessed up to being a program.
Well, let this roll around in your programmer's mind: :)
Neo: You’re not human, are you?
Oracle: Well, it’s tough to get anymore obvious then that.
Neo: If I had to guess. I’d say you are a program from the machine world. So is he.
Oracle: So far, so good.
Neo: But, if that’s true. That can mean you are a part of this system. Another kind of control.
Oracle: Keep going. hi all,
i m new to ths gr n new to the Mtrix as well, i m frm india n jst waiting fr the movie to get released.
It is releasing here ths friday n i will catch tht ths sunday wit frnds as i m wrking so will not get time to c tht on friday/sat
So keep sending mails to me about matrix....
Navin Originally posted by zync
See, there's one problem with that....I don't believe she actually fessed up to being a program....see throughout the movies there's been a strange thing happening, Neo provides answers but no one verifies them....like when he said that the Oracle was the mother of the matrix and he said "Please!" very defiantly....I still believe she's a program but it makes one wonder doesn't it? Still, it's very peculiar you noticed right before seeing reloaded.....and congrats on figuring out the oracle's identity....the Matrix is difficult to figure out unless you have the mind of a programmer, which thankfully I do :)
Hey, nice spot.
I never noticed that, but you're right.
The Oracle has a tendency of not answering any of his questions outright. This is even more marked in Reloaded as you've shown where he makes all these statements and the Oracle provides ambiguous responses to them.
At least in the first Matrix, she definitely told him he wasn't the one. But then she wasn't telling the entire truth then, just part of the truth. He may not have been the one then, but he became the one afterwards.
I'll have to check the computer game and see what responses the Oracle makes to Niobe and if she continues her ambiguous answers. Originally posted by Binagran
At least in the first Matrix, she definitely told him he wasn't the one. But then she wasn't telling the entire truth then, just part of the truth. He may not have been the one then, but he became the one afterwards.
No, she doesn't tell him he isn't The One.
She says something like, "Sorry kid. You've got the gift ... you're waiting for something, another life maybe."
Most people interpret this to mean, "I'm sorry but you're not The One." It could just as easily mean, "I'm sorry, but you're The One. The burden is yours to bear."
But since Neo interprets this to mean he isn't The One, he goes back to save Morpheus. So she told him "what he needed to hear" to make him do what he needed to do. At least in the first Matrix, she definitely told him he wasn't the one. But then she wasn't telling the entire truth then, just part of the truth. He may not have been the one then, but he became the one afterwards.
You're mostly right but she never told him he wasn't the one. She actually said something like:
Sorry kid, you got the gift, but it looks like you're wating for something.
What?
You're next life maybe, who knows. That's the way these things go. What's funny?
Morpheus....he uh.....he almost had me convinced.
I know. Poor Morpheus. Without him we're lost.
She actually tells him being the one is like being in love and that you just know it. He's the one who believes he's not the one. It's pretty much as mariner said. But what's even stranger is that everyone gives him the same types of responses. Like when he speaks to the Architect:
Architect: If I am the father of the matrix then she may be considered it's mother...
Neo: The Oracle?
Architect: Please! (defiantly)
He never says that she isn't but you can tell by the way he replies. No one ever gives Neo a straight answer, not even Morpheus most of the time. Most of the language is even conditional and very deliberate, much like code. This is why it leads me to think Neo is the AI and he's being programmed by all of these people, not a likely solution to the matrix but who really knows?
As a matter of fact the Oracle never even truly admits to being the oracle. Neo says, "You're the oracle?" and she just says, "Bingo," though obviously she is. It all depends on how they reply, not what they say. I just noticed something. If the Oracle is always right, then when she tells Neo that either him or Morpheus is going to die that's not what happened in the first movie. Morpheus did sacrafice his life to save Neo but neither of them died, which means this is foreshadowing a death that is yet to occur. It didn't happen in the second movie either which leads me to believe that one of them will surely die in the third movie. Very strange.... My thoughts on M1 Death
In M1 when she says he is waiting for something she is predicting Neo getting 'killed' by Agent Smith. Neo does die. He just comes back as the One. Very much like Jesus coming back from the dead (just faster). In M1 when she says he is waiting for something she is predicting Neo getting 'killed' by Agent Smith. Neo does die. He just comes back as the One. Very much like Jesus coming back from the dead (just faster).
Yes, I had forgotten about that death. That qualifies it. Alrighty..... The oracle tells Neo that he has the gift, but he seems to be waiting for another live.
In fact she hasn't lied a word in retrospect; neo dies in M1, and after the love (which does make the big difference, as stated by the architect in reloaded) he gets from trinity (the holy spirit in the christian aspect of the movies????) he ressurects (obvious reference there :) ) and stands up, with the realisation that he is the one.
The oracle is, and has been right in that sence.
Back to the 101/303 thing .... has anyone noticed signs of these numbers on clothing? In fact she hasn't lied a word in retrospect; neo dies in M1, and after the love (which does make the big difference, as stated by the architect in reloaded) he gets from trinity (the holy spirit in the christian aspect of the movies????) he ressurects (obvious reference there ) and stands up, with the realisation that he is the one.
If you were referring to me, I never said she lies, just that she's never straight with him. This continues to lead me to believe that he's AI because she's testing him to see what answers he comes up with. But then again I really have no idea. I have a specificly hard problem with defining AI in the matrix world(s).
Since everything is controlled by different objects, it seems that within the matrix (at least the one the movie states it is) every human 'battery' in a sence controls an avatar....a reflection of there real selfs. So in that sence everything is AI. Birds are controlled by machines, and humans by humans.
But what if the real world (which is stated to be 2199, and the place where zion resides) is a matrix too (which is very offtopic right now, but for the sake off my explanation I will use it).
Under that layer, what is neo then ? Maybe nothing more than a bit of AI? A human. I wouldn't dare too say to much about what the brothers will make off it, but it will be a big piece of the evolutions plot. (anyone got anything special from the evolutions trailer??)
The fact that the oracle is ripped loose from what the architect would think of her to be, but still part off the system in 'reloading' the matrix and thus is AI means that the architect had planned her in. That would mean 'the one' would be planned in.
Still, the architect says the difference between this neo, and the others (which is constantly the same, but the last ones are slower, as the screens show) is love. In m1 the oracle has already told trinity she would love neo.
So in that sence the oracle has know that there was something different, and isn't part of the system aas the architect has designed it. for the most part, I agree with you B-Top... Neo: "And she's always right?"
Morpheus: "Try not to think of it in terms of 'right and wrong,' she is a guide......" Hi. something someone said above got me thinking. When in M1 neo goes to the oricle and she says something to the effect of "Sorry kid. You've got the gift ... you're waiting for something, another life maybe." now we never really see neo do anything that makes us belive he is the one untill after he dies, than he stands up and stops the bullits, something no one has ever done in the matrix. not evan agents. so my point is after he dies and comes back to life, that is his other life, and in esence "what he was waiting for". and in that instant he becomes the one. That was weird...I go to reply and the reloaded trailer comes on the TV....anyways we've known he's been the one since that point....but what made you just now realize that? 101
Did I read this thread too quickly or did no one mention the fact that 101 is binary?
101 = 5
There have been 5 previous versions of the Matrix.
That can't be a coincidence. Originally posted by Chewy-WRX
101
Did I read this thread too quickly or did no one mention the fact that 101 is binary?
101 = 5
There have been 5 previous versions of the Matrix.
That can't be a coincidence.
In computers, counting starts with zero; counting from zero this is the sixth version of the Matrix.
Except that it's the seventh (the first was the perfect failure).
:) It's all very interesting what has been said concerning the meanings of 101 and 303 in the movie.
I see 101 as a symbol of the Machine world - a number they can create and interpet, because it's in binary.
The important parts of the movie that include "breaking free" of the machines contains 303 - a number that cannot be represented with the same number of digits.
Trinity = 3 is an obvious one, but notice too how in M2, the main characters have formed a trio (that is, Neo, Trinity and Morpheus).
In Detective story (Animatrix), i noticed another reoccuring number.
201, if i remember correctly, is both the room the eponymous detective works in, and the time Trinity arranges to meet him (20.01)
Also, the Nebuchenaezzar's hovercraft model number is Mark IV, V 1.1...
Biblical references, anyone? Love", written in Greek language, "h agaph", gives as numerical value 101 = 8+1+3+1+80+8.
By using as the correspondence table A=1, B=2, ..., Z=26, we find that "Sun Of God" gives 101.
The numerical values of Hebrew word MIKAL meaning the Michael archangel, MLVKE meaning kingdom and also virgin princess, gives each one 101.
Just random stuff off the internet. Probably doesn't apply, but whatever, it's there.
Sorry i cudnt get the quote to work.
The sun of God thing goes nicely wiv the fact that Neo dies int he first one then comes back to life!
Just as Jesus died only to be resurescted, Neo must die to be resurected as the one!
Just an idea! i just noticed that Neo's apartment in matrix 1 is 101 :D
hrmm The number 101 is indeed very significant. Aside from popping up a lot in the movie(s), in binary 101 can be turned into 5 which is also a very significant number. (I think. I'm only 12, haven't been actually taught binary yet...) There are 5 members in a body, it was after the fifth day that God created Man, the Matrix was re-created 5 times. Need I say more? there you go.
In fact, neo did actually die. Also, that brings up the "...next life, maybe..." that the Oracle said Neo might be waiting for. If he died once, then this is his second life, signifying that now he is definitely the one. now we're repeating ourselves. read over the old replies. almost mirrow images lol I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but when Trinity is typing in the codes and stuff to turn off the emergency power, on the screen the passcode (or some other number) is :
Z10N010 / Z10N101
I thought that was interesting ^_^ are there any more references to the 101 or 303 in reloaded besides the floor of the merovingian and the 101 expressway?
just asking!!! I've read a few posts on this site which had to do with God and how the thoughts of M related to the real world.
I just want to spill my thoughts on that subject, I think a long time ago (wen time exists and is not a loop) wen God gave us the freedom of will/ to choose, we knew exactly what one choice would be: stay in paradise, the other choice was not imaginable to us (taking the appel I see here as a symbol for choosing for the world with all ist's suffering but also ist's pleasures like sex and so on). Because of curiousity we choose for the world, maybe just to see what it was, but in that choice we lost the paradise because it is now (like the world wen we were in the paradise) a 'world'/ choice which we do not see any longer. Maybe we will choose paradise once again someday wen we realise and understand the choice (assuming paradise is a better place as the earth)
I know it are just thoughts and there are inconsistency's, but I can't seem to go further on my own: I'm stuck in a specific thinking pattern, so I hope someone can share with me his thoughts on this and maybe show me some light.
I think about this because i simply cannont believe are only purpose is to earn money, get married, get wealthy, grow old and die. My purpose has been stolen by my own thoughts.....
Jesse
ps I'm dutch and I hope my English is understandable, my excuse for any failures (feel free to ask for better English, maybe next time I'll use my dictionary (-: i found another from M2! in the alleyway at chinatown!
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