Is anyone going to honestly pay?

Just out of curiousity, is anyone actually going to go out and blow money on a game they'll have to pay a monthly fee for, or are they just going to wait for the evercrack equivalent? I understand how neat it would be to play with all your friends, but if you have to pay for friends, maybe those friends aren't worth having.
I guess I kinda respected the work and business ethic of blizzard, having a continuously high price for a game (the neglect in price drop for such games like diablo II), but in the same breath, having free online servers to meet up with your friends.
I dunno? Any nay sayers with me?

Originally posted by Solid_Snake
Just out of curiousity, is anyone actually going to go out and blow money on a game they'll have to pay a monthly fee for, or are they just going to wait for the evercrack equivalent? I understand how neat it would be to play with all your friends, but if you have to pay for friends, maybe those friends aren't worth having.
I guess I kinda respected the work and business ethic of blizzard, having a continuously high price for a game (the neglect in price drop for such games like diablo II), but in the same breath, having free online servers to meet up with your friends.
I dunno? Any nay sayers with me?

Sheesh, Most MMORPGs are 10-15 sollars a month. How cheap can ya' get? I think it'll be well worth it.

Sheesh, Most MMORPGs are 10-15 sollars a month. How cheap can ya' get? I think it'll be well worth it.


I don't, but then again that's my opinion. I think that blizzard software did a fine job of proving that free online play is more than well worth it. Which I made prior in my first post.

And pardon me, but let's look at the breakdown of this. I'm going to presume you have a lot of money to play with. Now, let's imagine for a minute you're paying your own way for a secondary education at a private institute that costs, oh let's say $30,000 US dollars every year for tuition and expenses. Let's just put our imaginations beyond a coded screen and look at some data on the national minimum wage for all workers

"According to Current Population Survery estimates for 2002, some 72.7 million American workers were paid at hourly rates, representing 59.6 percent of all wage and salary workers. Of those paid by the hour, about 570,000 were reported earning exactly $5.15, the prevailing Federal minimum wage, and another 1.6 million were reported with wages below the minimum. Together, these 2.2 million workers with wages at or below the minimum made up 3.0 percent of all hourly-paid workers. The following are some highlights from the 2002 data.

-Minimum wage workers tend to be young. About half of workers earning $5.15 or less were under age 25, and slightly more than one-fourth were age 16-19. Among teenagers, 10 percent earned $5.15 or less. About 2 percent of workers age 25 and over earned the minimum wage or less. However, among those age 65 and over, the proportion was about 5 percent" (U.S. Department of Labor).

Now this being said, I'm going to maybe fathom at some point that these software companies, who's target audience is between early teens to the threshold of mid twenties.

Now let's delve a little deeper, here's an awesome concept called "expenses." These things can range from car insurance payments, to car payments, medical bills, and cost of utilities. Plus your basic hygene supplies (especialy for those years between 18 - 25 where you're paying for those things for college or whatever secondary education you should choose).

Ah yes, isn't it supposed to be every student's full time job to be just that? A student? So, a forty hour work week doing studies plus 35 hours to make some money to pay off those expenses.
Let's try some simple math here...
35 Hours a week x $5.15 an hour = $180.25 weekly pay (before taxes, S.S. etc.)
So maybe ....
180.25 x 4 weeks pay = $721.00 (still without taking what the govt. wants)
I'm pretty sure anyone holding a job in the U.S. or otherwise realizes a governmental institution funds itself based on a number of liens called taxes...now we take this off here in the States every april 15th.
Now you want to tell me taking a $180.00 less the yearly average untaxed pay of which, minus that equals to: $8472.00
With that, you're not living from paycheck to paycheck, you're existing, and all because some company wants to ca$h in on the matrix experience?
I guess my point in all this if that makes me cheap based on my principles and how I look at the value of a dollar, then call me cheap all you want, tool.

Snake,

I liked how you introduced an economical discussion into this thread, so I figured I'd pose my own question.

First off, would you work for free? I know I wouldn't. In case you know nothing about MMP's, I'll explain a little about the level of involvement the developers take when they release a new title. Massilve Multiplayer games regularly receive additional gameplay content in the form of patches. This content doesn't make itself. A team of programers must write the code for whatever it is they plan to implement into the game. While this is happening, another team in the art department works on creating what the player will see (e.g. guns, buildings, clothing). It takes time to do all of this, and time is money.

Now, the online games you've probably played (you mentioned DII) have user-hosted servers. At best, these servers can only host around a dozen players. In Massive Multiplayer games, thousands of people can login to the same place and play. I don't know what you pay for your monthly ISP, but you should multiply that by 1,000 (rough estimate, probably more) because that's how much it would cost to consume all of the bandwith you would need per month. I don't understand your comments about Blizzard's "work ethic". Obviously you haven't heard of their new Massive Multiplayer title coming out, World of Warcraft. They're planning on having a subscription fee for this game.

There are many MMP's out now. Guess what? Each one has it's following and communitiy, made entirely of people who gladly pay their $12.95 a month to play. Use the college education you say you're earning and research things a little more before you come up with an opinion.

ghost

If the Wachowski's asked me to work with them on creating such an playing experience? I'd say yes anytime. Pay or no pay. But that's beyond the point here. Personally I feel very little for paying the monthly subscription. I feel very little for paying the monthly subscription. But maybe eventually they'll stop making new chronicles, and it'll be free to play...

As long as we'll be able to login to the game servers we'll have to pay.

ghost

You're kinda stuck on Blizzard having free servers for their games...well guess what bro...hate to burst your bubble..but Blizzard is releasing World of Warcraft...an MMORPG...and get this....*gasp Its gonna have a monthly fee to play...

Well praise jesus, our savior...
In response to ghost's question: yes, I would, and yes I have. If you'd really like to see a few copies of my latest times slips, I can certainly give them to you. It's called having an intrinsic value on your job. However you are right, but answer me this question, how did software companies get by in the past? I'm sure half-life, quake II, and other numerous titles not under some pay to play server had to have all those things (concept, planning, commercializing, pre-production, post-production, shipping, product cost, production cost). Hate to burst your bubble, but that's all done in figuring out the price of the game itself. Software companies aren't stupid, they want to make sure they get their money's worth, becasue if that were indeed true, then I'm guessing everyone would be completely broke and there'd be a board for all the game designers to cry there. I think your argument of saying monthly payments justify a person's job is invalidated. If you want to act like your better than some "college educated fool" then try to make your argument a little clearer, stop begging the question, and oh yeah, stop making appeals to someone's emotion, they're cheaper versions arguments. Yeah, truly I'm glad you applauded the economical factor, but I've also noticed no one stands against it.

I also forgot to factor in something else here, time management. I'd like to think it'd have a lot to do with how people spend their time and/or money. I know there's going to be some creepy little bastard that goes "0MG BRO WHAT ABOUT CELL PH0NES! I KNOW I HAVE ONE AND DON'T USE IT LOL!!!1!!11" Right, cell phones seem to be in everybody's pocket, we pay a set ammount every month, but then again it just doesn't sit on my computer, it servers more than one purpose, kind of like a necessity. I argue from the standpoint that it seems almost impossible to get anywhere in an MMORPG or any RPG that requires a lot of time should one be consumed by making ends meet or studies or even both. If your'e hammering out 55+ hours a week on other things, are you really gonna take time out of your sleep schedule or other things that may be pertinent to your time to make sure you justify 12 - 20 bucks a month? I have a slight feeling in the pit of my stomach that the game industry wins this one, the players don't. Not to mention the slight fact that some of the younger audiences that can't even hold a job, yet are given allowances (if that), beg mommy and daddy to pay this every month (but then again if they're established and the kid is spoiled, so be it right?).

Now, understandably so, there are some of those out there that have a good job and are established financially, so yes, if they can pay it, all the more applaus to them, but since no one touched the fact that most (not all mind you) adolescants hold sucky low end paying jobs and probably are holding one in the first place so they can go to their high school dances and pay bills they have coming in.

As far as my admiring qualities toward blizzard, I openly stated the fact that they hold a higher price for a game longer than anyone else probably pays for the costs of the "maintenencing." You can't honestly tell me some online thing like SOE, a division of the multi-billion dollar corporation Sony Entertainment, ltd., can't afford to pay a handful of techs to do their job on occaision. Because if they charged a higher price and kept it there, but if it was free. I personally be more enticed to that option than paying every month. And sure, you can say its cheap for 10 bucks a month or even up to 20, but add that to your bills, and start playing some others, like "puckman187" so coherently illustrated "World of Warcraft." There's another set ammount, and how long before everything is pay to play that we end up spending the cost of a console to play? Or maybe...perhaps they'll subsidize that cost into one big online server company (Xbox Live!, SOE, take your pick) and offer cheaper rates to play it? Perhaps we should just jump from subscription subscription.

I keep pondering how long I'm going to stand alone on this...what happened to the users that showed some discontent to it, like DonutDude (or seemed to...), and Remix (these people get honorable mention because I didnt' see any others yet that agree.

Well d00d, puckman187, that's a cute name, I'd hate to burst your bubble, but the days of "bro" (because I ain't your's) and the affiliation with 187 died out with the 90's and the movie that had Samuel L. Jackson in it, if you'd like to go back to making sure my pizza is hot and on time, please do so, and when you want to add a more coherent argument like say someone like HomoUniversalis did, try it, your text fodder does no good here, as obviously the clarity in your vision lacked the understanding perspective of what was going on, tool.

To be honest, I don't have a mobile phone! There are three reasons why I don't:

1. I need it*
2. It may cause braincancer
3. Echelon can track the phone

*It's only for people who don't need it.

I'm the only one in my class if not the school who doesn't own a mobile phone. They don't seem to realise the problem with these things. Not only can I hack into them with a laptop another phone and sofware avaible through Kazaa, so can the FBI NSA CIA etc.. All agencies who would die for this information.

Not to mention it costs you money, lots of it. I'm one of the only kids who doesn't have a job. And I'm fine with it. I don't need no boss telling me what to do, yet.

The fact is that the youth is being exploited by the software companies, by the hardware companies, etc. They are making money when wallstreet is down. They will continue to make money because it's "normal" to pay monthly subscriptions. I for one am not sure whether I want to sacrifice the time for a job to those ends, while I could be playing other, in the long run, much less expensive games. I will probably buy the game and play through the trial.. But I'm not sure after that. Not unless someone starts a fundraiser...

Snake, you aren't understanding me. Mods and hot-fix patches are completely different than content additions players receive in MMP games. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a one time buy only receives drastic changes to it's gameplay when you buy an expansion. Take Planetside, a game I often bring up, for example. Since the game was released, we've gotten six new vehicles, three new guns, and numerous new continents to wage war over. This new content wasn't in the process of being created until after the game was released, with the exception of the concept art.

There are two completely different online gaming worlds nowdays. I think this thread is a great example of those who understand Massive Multiplay and those who don't. I don't like to quote myself, but do some research before you make yourself look like a fool to those of us who're familiar with MMP titles. Basically, the entire arguement comes down to a simple question. Are you going to pay or not? Nobody is going to put a gun to your head and take the money out of your wallet. I personally could care less either way, but I abhore people who feel it's their duty to slam something because they don't like the way it is, even though many many other people do. If you chose not to buy it, then move along.....this isn't the message board you're looking for.

ghost

Originally posted by ghost018
Snake, you aren't understanding me. Mods and hot-fix patches are completely different than content additions players receive in MMP games. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a one time buy only receives drastic changes to it's gameplay when you buy an expansion. Take Planetside, a game I often bring up, for example. Since the game was released, we've gotten six new vehicles, three new guns, and numerous new continents to wage war over. This new content wasn't in the process of being created until after the game was released, with the exception of the concept art.

There are two completely different online gaming worlds nowdays. I think this thread is a great example of those who understand Massive Multiplay and those who don't. I don't like to quote myself, but do some research before you make yourself look like a fool to those of us who're familiar with MMP titles. Basically, the entire arguement comes down to a simple question. Are you going to pay or not? Nobody is going to put a gun to your head and take the money out of your wallet. I personally could care less either way, but I abhore people who feel it's their duty to slam something because they don't like the way it is, even though many many other people do. If you chose not to buy it, then move along.....this isn't the message board you're looking for.

ghost

Abhore all you want, "Ghost", I think I like quoting you better, and I do understand, but I'm telling you: You lack vision.

There's no difference in the software companies that design MMORPGS or RPGS, or Deathtrap 2.0. It doesn't come down to your simple ideaology, it comes down to one thing HomoUniversalis got to, exploitation and money. Your arguments degrade more and more as I read them, you aren't here to debate the topic, you just came here to slam me, and that's the only thing I think anyone in the entire world abhors a creepy little fanboy who just wants to undermine someone making a just plea and seem all self-righteous. The only thing you offer in your defense of these monthly fees is this:

Massilve Multiplayer games regularly receive additional gameplay content in the form of patches. This content doesn't make itself. A team of programers must write the code for whatever it is they plan to implement into the game. While this is happening, another team in the art department works on creating what the player will see (e.g. guns, buildings, clothing). It takes time to do all of this, and time is money.

And since I like going back to a couple of games based on blizzard, well, isn't it a little odd that every game they publish, out pops an expanision pack some time later? It is possible for a softare company to cram all their ideas into one single volume, but where's the gains? Where's the profit returns on the year end or quarterly reports? None genious, that's not because they're losing money or working for free, as you so eloquently liek to describe it, it's because its a business plan to extend the life of their product in order to keep raking a profit, because if everyone had to pay to play on this game or any other on a monthly basis, they can just extend the life of their product indefinitely and by giving you, the consumer some flat out excuse like "server maintenence" or "mods." You know, I am reminded of a few games like the GTA series for the PC or Max Payne, people didn't even have to pay let alone even had an online option, but the "following" as you so love, did everything like mods, new weapons, skins, everything for free. Those wonderful people worked hard to give the gamers a better experience, and unlike you greedy little gollum, they did it all in the namesake of freedom. It's not like the only benefit of doing that is for love of a game or for the enjoyment of others, it gets your name out there to other companies that might want you for editing/software design as well.
I dont' think this thread has anything to do with your mindless yammering or your narrow-scoped opinions, this user merely acts the final question: When will gamers have enough and stop putting up with heart-tugging arguments and realize they're letting themselves become doormats to the software companies and their greedy accounts? Nobody is holding guns to people, but I'm willing to bet like in this thread:

http://www.matrixmania.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7936

People tend not to have an extreme desire to pay, but more along the lines of "Gee, I'm such a devoted fant to the matrix series...I guess I have to pay." It seems to be the willingness to pay isn't even considered, it's the fact that you're dealing with a multi-million dollar franchise that negates the debate on whether or not people want to pay to play, but I can definitely sense a quaking uncertainty.

Finally, ghost, I'm sick of your arguments, your only propellant to this is that I don't understand MMORPGs, finances, business and product planning, and somehow I need to go find a simpler forum where I can ponder if there's life after reddi whip, had you come prepared with something more credible, like statements, facts, reports, or anything hard and cold instead of conjecture and pondering about how those poor rich software companies are going to make a living without millions of people handing them twenty bucks a month for what little time we have during a week to bounce around a matrix server, well then, I think your argument is weak and needs some redoing, and you know, I think this isn't the thread your looking for. Have a nice day.
-Snake


P.S. HomoUniversalis - Yeah I get your point, I just referred to cell phones as something people don't use all the time, but most in the states view them as a necessity (car breakdowns, disasters, emergencies, etc.) I was comparing their usefulness to something like an MMORPG.

It wont be a big bit of money.If it was, like £10 a month or something, then nobody would get it.I was told all online games a P2P

Grand Theft Auto and Max Payne aren't MMP games. It's important to understand that mods are made by the user, not the company who originally created the game. If they even considered selling an unofficial piece of code, they'd be breaking the game's EULA, let alone the law.

Let's take this next part slow. About how many expansion packs does the average game receive? I'd say one, unless the game is a product of EA....(Sims & Medal of Honor, they sapped those titles for everything they were worth). Now, think of how it would be to receive a new expansion pack each month, and only have to pay $12 bucks for it instead of $30.

Don't try and tell my I haven't brought in any facts to support my statements. I've been playing MMP games long before you probably even knew they existed and let me tell you this, there've always been ignorant individuals like you who can't get around the subscription fee. Sooner or later you'll fade away like the rest of them. Save your pride and walk away.

ghost

PS: Not really sure why you put my name in quotes, but if you want to talk originallity, I think I've got you beat there too.

You begin to amuse me ghost. Yet again, your post is feeble and you're beginning to try to differentiate between software titltes by saying the basis is by genre, and I'm going to warn you one last time, I'm willing to go out on a limb and ponder that you're not bringing any fresh subject matter to this thread. Plus you're letting your anger get the best of you, as clearly your arguments are becoming nothing less than worshipless pap. I read your statements over and over, I see no citations, I see no references, all I see is delluded ideaologies that you have that you're paying makes a difference in someone's paycheck for a big software company. You also try to tell me that because you pay 12 bucks a month for an MMORPG, you also claim that someone like blizzard or rockstar games, or id, who come out with $30.00 expansion packs, granted they give you such things as 3 to 4 new weapons, a new story line (or an add on to the one you just beat) and maybe a few new characters. Blizzard's weakest link was to only connect to you the next game's sequel (by setting the stage for it).
I also took the stand on adding content to those non MMP games as I already knew by saying there are those out there devoted enough not to ask for anything in return, and would gain something out of it.
As far as my name goes? I'm the only Snake I know of in this forum, you however took the name of the character that took a small role in Revolutions and Reloaded, but headlined Enter the Matrix and added 018, that's not even close to original. Had you had it your way, I imagine you'd just be plain "Ghost." Either way, you've resorted to playing petty, cheap mind games. You've done nothing but flame me and tell me I don't understand, or misread my rebuttle and tell me I don't understand. Your posts have been getting shorter and shorter, and to quote another game, which hey, thanks to my fanbase for it and unoriginality in choosing my name, You're a "bothersome fly."
Seriously, this thread's intent is to question those who still debate and are unsure of themselves. I'm not bitter nor am I angry at you in any form Ghost, but do not attempt to keep making slams at me, and try to go rally with those of you that are all for your following, and mayhap people will rally to my cause in time too. Thanks.

I don't need to bring any new points into this thread because I've already proven you wrong. The fee was justified when I mentioned the cost of bandwith when running multiple Massive Multiplay servers alone. Even you can understand that much. But, you had to bring up expansions, which is where I added insult to injury. Second grade math would tell you 30 > 12. The amount of content a development team on a Massive Multiplayer Game adds into it's game each month is equal to that of any expansion pack a one time buy receives. And here's the kicker, we pay $18 less than you for in actuallity a lot more. New storyline, new gameplay content, and gaming servers where thousands of players can interact together each month. Compare these qualities to a non-MMP game's online play. It's impossible because there simply is no comparison.

As far as my name goes, have you ever heard of a game called Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun? Was made back in the 90's and was also one of the first games I played online. That's when I came up with my name, with which I've used for a good 90% of all my gaming callsigns since then. Had I selected an avatar of the asian guy from the movies, maybe your accusation would be supported, but I didn't.

Checkmate. I'm finished with you.

ghost

Not a really nice atmosphere in here.. Glad Ghost didn't flame me.

About playing online.. there are two kinds of mp, right.. You have the regular one.. mp, and mmp or mmorpg.

The mmorpg requires people to pay a monthly fee. Normal mp doesn't. What is the excact difference between these too? first of all the servers are being forcively supplied by the software companie. As far as I know with regular mp, you could host your own.
Overall mp lags less than mmorpg. And the only reason why content isn't added to mp is that they don't release the modding tools or the game just sucks. There is always a community adding much more content (for free!) than a software team can.

so basicly the only advantage to mmorpg is that you have more character development and that you have BIG servers..

Is that really enough to pay a monthly subscription?

GTA3 + GTA:VC were so popular with the mod-community mp mods were released. If you own GTA:VC or GTA3 you can play online with these mods and roam a gigantic city with up to sixteen players..

These games have actually been MADE MP BY THE MODDING COMMUNITY!!! The developers of GTA:VC even used tools created by the GTA3 community to develop Vice City. So you have a gigantic modding community adding a car, weapon, skin, map, mod each day opposed to some software developters who even ask monet for it and supply a mod each month..

Ghost you have made me doubt whether I will buy this game. I think I'll use the trial, and unless they ADD some real kickass content in that trial period, I'm done with MMORPG.

Now please, go ahead and flame me..

Originally posted by ghost018
I don't need to bring any new points into this thread because I've already proven you wrong. The fee was justified when I mentioned the cost of bandwith when running multiple Massive Multiplay servers alone. Even you can understand that much. But, you had to bring up expansions, which is where I added insult to injury. Second grade math would tell you 30 > 12. The amount of content a development team on a Massive Multiplayer Game adds into it's game each month is equal to that of any expansion pack a one time buy receives. And here's the kicker, we pay $18 less than you for in actuallity a lot more. New storyline, new gameplay content, and gaming servers where thousands of players can interact together each month. Compare these qualities to a non-MMP game's online play. It's impossible because there simply is no comparison.

As far as my name goes, have you ever heard of a game called Command & Conquer: Tiberian Sun? Was made back in the 90's and was also one of the first games I played online. That's when I came up with my name, with which I've used for a good 90% of all my gaming callsigns since then. Had I selected an avatar of the asian guy from the movies, maybe your accusation would be supported, but I didn't.

Checkmate. I'm finished with you.

ghost


Be finished all you want "ghost." See you're using a concept to blind consumers by using something we in the real world called junk science. Surprisingly ghost, you take too much to heart, and your anger blinds you. HomoUniversalis made the point in everything I'm trying to say perfectly clear as crystal, however you are the reason for his doubt, and I'm not. Touche, Cap'n, that much I give you. By saying 30>12, truely it is, but that's also fuzzy math. You, however make it sound as if 30 bucks in one shot compares to 12 dollars a month. The only argument you force forthwith from your mindnumbing posts are that I'm just an old college fool from a poor state and that I need to just drop dead, however "Ghost," I won't. You have still not brought forth one solitary fact to this board, you've made conjecture, speculation, and appeals to those who question paying for an MMORPG just for bandwidth alone, I need not cite HomoUniversalis' quotes, because frankly he hit the nail on the head. I'm afraid you're the one who's in checkmate "Ghost." You can't site any of your sources, you let anger get the best of you, and you bring forth no sense of honor or justice to an open debate.
Yes, to those of you reading, I acknowlege the fact that those of you who can and willingly pay that can afford it are all well and good, I do not knock you in any shape or form, nor do I wish to debate finances or your global position in today's market. I make a plea to those like some of us with a little less time on our hands and probably even less money to think a second time, and maybe, just maybe if those gamers holler loud enough, we'll have our way. I think you've heard enough of my preaching and arguments, I only ask that you hear me out. Maybe even take a stand or two, but if all you can do is listen to such arguments from newbies like the likes of "ghost018", then maybe I'm stupid, but I don't think I want that kind of arrogance in my online game.

lmao @ ghost being in pink, i agree with you snake and homouniversalis. not only will the game itself probably cost like 40 dollars (think about 2 million people buying this game at 40 dollars) on top of that, you have about 2 million people who are gonna pay 1/4 of that cost each month. that's excess money for these companies. hell, the price of the game is pretty much profit, but then they are trying to profit off of consumers by overcharging them monthly (120 x 2 million. no one needs that much money to run a mmorpg). hell, they could charge 2 dollars/month and have enough to run these servers, after all these serves DO NOT run according to the bandwidth providers that we recognize. a company creating a mmp could set up their own massive servers up (probably would cost somewhere in the hundred thousands). once the servers were set, it would not cost 240,000,000 to run maintenance on those servers. and the profit for the development is coming from the game. so exactly where is that 240,000,000 going? i can tell you one thing, its not towards the servers and upgrades.

While they definitely will have a decent profit margin per month, mmorpgs cost a lot more to make in the development process than other games. Box sales are mostly to cover the investments that people gave them.

To answer the question. Unless this game looks bad, then yes, I'll pay. It will be worth it. If I can play a single game for 3 months instead of getting done with a game each month and shelling out 40 bucks to keep me happy, then I'm coming out on top really.

Lots of people play mmorpgs, and all of them pay. Why would this be any different?

Of course people will pay, man. It will be some of the best money they ever spent. I would hope you wouldn't miss the chance to play a great game because of a little money.

Just wait and see how it turns out before you make up your mind about not paying to play this. For updates I recommend you go to http:/www.thematrixonline.com and if you want to know how to get information about it as soon as it comes out submit your e-mail adress to them and they'll give you all the latest news as soon as it comes out. While your on their check out the the screen pics, maybe then you'll change your mind about it.

I'd pay, how can you use a crack for the use of mmorpg games? I mean, this type of game secures the legal use of the game. After registering your copy of the game, you have to subscribe to join, which means you authenticate each time you log in to their servers. The software company can actually check the serial you entered is unique. And with your personal information of your account, wouldn't you think twice to use a cracked game?

I can respect that but, of course, that's just my opinion. MxO will be good fun...

Originally posted by Solid_Snake
Just out of curiousity, is anyone actually going to go out and blow money on a game they'll have to pay a monthly fee for, or are they just going to wait for the evercrack equivalent? I understand how neat it would be to play with all your friends, but if you have to pay for friends, maybe those friends aren't worth having.
I guess I kinda respected the work and business ethic of blizzard, having a continuously high price for a game (the neglect in price drop for such games like diablo II), but in the same breath, having free online servers to meet up with your friends.
I dunno? Any nay sayers with me?

I have spoken on this elsewhere.

The ending of M3 was so up in the air and very few questions raised by this forum were answered. Folks can't even decide if Neo is dead.

Now, there are rumors of Animatrix 2, Enter the Matrix 2, Matrix 4 (I can see it now Matrix Resurrection) and also, the Matrix Online.

This is very quickly becoming a giant wallet vacuum.

G.A.O.T.U.

I didnt know you had to pay to play. that sux. i dont think i can. I mean like $50 for the game $35 for the thing you hook the internet up to and like $10-15 a month. thats gonna be expensive. ::sigh:: looks like i have to get a job. I was hoping to wait till next year when i'm 16 to get a job but i guess i have to start early.

Well hopefully if we become advanced in our game play, it will answer some questions we've been longing to have answered. I really hope the WBs aren't planning on making like 10 more things. It would be super expensive. I would hope they wouldn't make it so that you have to watch, play, or read things they bring out just to get some answers.

hey mm fans and members the game isn't even out yet and they are even still working on it . maybe it will change when it comes out and there will be no monthly fee.

Just so I dont have to read a essay to get any information, is there going to be a monthly fee or not? Yes or No please or an Unknown if we dont know yet.

Madlad89.

unknown but it looks like yes:)


funny discussion lost by Solid_Snake, ghost congrats! :)

i am going to pay... (that was the question right??)

Yes it was Madhijs, that is also the title of the thread lol. As for paying or not paying, this argument has gone on pretty much since Everquest. People who are fans aren't 'dumb' for paying for it, also, as Terikan stated you can try it out and if you're not happy then cease.

Of course they're making money from it, however no one is holding a gun to anyones head to pay and play. The people I do feel sorry for though are the ones whos income simply won't allow it for them to get the chance to pay and play. However where there is a will in this life, there will always be a way.;)

it would be cool if the first month or first 3 months, it's for free and then you have to pay.
then people can realy choise if they whant to keep on playing.

what i realy whant to know, is how much you have to pay. and how much time there is between when you have to pay (weeks or months)

I'd pay once I get the money. My parents won't pay for it monthly, simply because it is a video game, online, no less. I don't have a job, and can't get a job. My only income of any sort is babysitting. I'm glad it's summer, because summer is when I make the most money. Saving it up like that would be tough though, since it is the summer. But I want the game. I think it will be worth it.

For example: Last summer I made nearly $700 babysitting. And somehow, I spent it all. Heh. :D

i'm with you kara i'd pay if i had the money. but i have to wait 2 years till i can get a job.

I`m gonna pay, its not THAT much...

If Mom lets me use her credit card I will pay

Pass that number on to me when you get it!

:p heck nah :p

Or you could do the "early xmas gift" crap I always pull. Ever since my mom told me she payed up to $300 a kid, I've been thinking about it. There's 2 months right there.

heh can't believed you guessed my plan :)

$300 a kid? You'd get WAY more than 2 months of play for that. That's more like two years.

well my mom spends 200 a kid but anyway the game will be mine soon so...

... BRING IT ON!!!

Hell I get like 200 as well, and if you do the math about $15 a month for 12 months. So that would be 15x12 which = 180, and so I would have a year and a month of pay. All I would have to do is buy the game myself and ask for money up front for christmas.

Awesome well guys we the game is released hope I'll be seeing you. Then again what if every sn is taken that makes sense?

$300 a kid? You'd get WAY more than 2 months of play for that. That's more like two years.

*wham* *wham* *wham*

My brain has liquified during the summer. Please forgive me. :rolleyes:

llol my brain has increased in mental capacity over the summer :D

Ok are we talking about how much our parents spend on us for christmas? Well if so, my parents usually spend 200-300 on me. I should just ask for the game and the monthly fees.

OMG i just told my mom about MxO and her usually spending about 300 on me and she's like "I have spent 800 on you" I had no idea. Life is good when you're an only child.

Ok are we talking about how much our parents spend on us for christmas? Well if so, my parents usually spend 200-300 on me. I should just ask for the game and the monthly fees.

OMG i just told my mom about MxO and her usually spending about 300 on me and she's like "I have spent 800 on you" I had no idea. Life is good when you're an only child.
You thuck. ;)

I've got a brother and a sister. I hate being the oldest.

My god, $800 bucks. U lucky guy u.....damn thats alot of money.

I'm 19 , living on my own and I conveniently borrowed 700 bucks from my mom just recently,

not to mention the thousands of dollars she spent keeping me in Calgary Alberta when I was in highschool away from home.

If my mom charged interest and I had to pay her back, I'd have to go bankrupt, heck, I'd be too poor to go bankrupt.

Wow I check back only seven months and it goes from rejoicing in my apparent "loss." My care level at the time of a certain user's opinion was 0, and it stands as such. My platform for argue remains exactly the same. Money trap, plain and simple. Where in the world would MXO be if everybody said "hey, screw you I want an online game, no fees." Hmm, but there's always the adolescant that sits on a jittery seat whimpering that it'd never happen or its worth it, because they have a liberal view about how someone should have a job. Or how they have an "uncle" in the software business that works ont he servers for "MMO TITLE X" and its hard work. The other representative figure in all this is time management, if you think you can play video games, have a friend/family/intimate relationship life, and work/school/both, you've got a hell of a dedicated schedule. From personal experience it was never worth the 10 - 15 dollars a month. There are plenty of cheaper alternatives to MXO.
Speaking of which, the graphics aren't offering anything breathtaking, and from the videos I've seen, nothing new or inspiring, so if we end up with dated grahpics and a "huge" city, and just how submersive will the gameplay be? Anyone stop to think if it falls flat on its face, but its worth it to maybe 2% of the people that picked it up.

Mmm.....

You didn't understand MMP games then, and you don't now Snake. Matrix Online has been out for almost six months now and the game is still going strong. The people that don't want to pay the fee have already walked away, and the game has taken no hit whatsoever. With the upcoming changeover to Sony Online Entertainment, the game will only get more subscribers through the station passport. I love how you title this a "money trap" like the concept of a subscription fee for a massive game is entirely new and shocking to you. MMP games obviously aren't for everyone, I think this discussion proves that.

I'd like to know what kind of personal experience you had with MXO in October of 2004 when the game was released in February of 2005. There was no fee for playing the beta. They never tried to hype the game's graphics either. No MMP game does. If that's something you were interested in with MXO, you were missing the point entirely. That said, you obviously couldn't play the game with all settings on high or you'd have seen the detail of the city.

Bottom line is this: if people didn't want to pay for MMP games, they wouldn't be releasing half-a-dozen each year. You lose.... still.

ghost

PS: Thought you might find it interesting that Blizzard's World of Warcraft has 1.5 million subscribers alone. That couldn't be right though, nobody in their right mind would pay a monthly fee. oO

Now come on just buy the game it isnt that hard. the monthly fee is isnt bad you should just buy it and you will enjoy the game more. Unless you have no soul

I was going to get it until i found out you have to pay to play i don't get it even now as it is £5