defeating the laws of gravity and physic?

do you really think that one can defeat the laws of gravity and physics by conquering over there mind?

i was in an argument the other day about the law of physics and gravity. and the conversation ended up to be about the matrix (doesnt it always?) and my theory is that the rules of gravity and physics can be broken, and things like "running up walls" (to a certain extent) can be acheived if the person doing it is in a different state of mind other than reality.
ages ago the law of physics said it was impossible for a man to run 100m faster than 11 secs, and if he did then his mind would leave his body, thus placing it to be impossible, but now they are running 10sec and under.

anyway i set up this pole to hear your veiws on this.

It is possible, unless the wall is 90'. I won't go into it since it's to difficult to explain (at least, for me, in English). If the wall is 89', however, it is possible to walk on walls (it's just about runnig FAST enough)...

nothing is really a perfect 90 degrees. i think its possible. and as HomoUniversalis if they run really fast. gah i almost wrote "and as homo said" lol....

you can write HU, that's ok.. actually I wouldn't take homo as an insult, it really just means the same... identical... but I prefer HU, for obvious reasons. Most n00bs find it amusing to joke about my name.

Yep, training your body will get you higher results, but you won't get those results unless you have trained your mind. Muscles aren't everything. Reflexes are another. In martial arts, having muscles means nothing. As you progress your reflexes increase and you learn how to use your muscles.

Having the horsepower is one thing, knowing where the wheel is, is another.

Thu humans only use 10% of cerebrum capacity, don't you think that all the things that mankind have achive in these last 100 years (computers, outerspace travels, cars ect...) with only a minimal part of use of the brain, can be superate by using at least 50% of cebrebum capacity.

If this is rigth there are several extra-senses that remain hidden in ours primitive cerebrums. We should get to this sometime, but theres a long way of evolution that we have to walktrough.

In fact, there are people in this world rigth now with some capacities, but the science remain indifferent.

Now in the side of the matrix is different, they can make those defy gravity movements because they know that the matrix ins't real, is like you when dreaming, in your dreams you can even fly because you know that isn't real.

Now, the real question here is, what happen if we aware that our reality is just a dream? I know that this is the real thing, but what happen if we take REAL control of everything that surrounds to us and even our very being. If this happen i think that no bounds will attach ours desires. For right or bad. BiggStankDogg said that "physics and gravity" cannot be done by fine tuning your mind, but rather by fine tuning your body.

Cerebrum is the most important part of the body, and the body dosn't work without the cerebrum.

Yeah I heard it too. Geesh. That houdini could open locks with his mind. I mean, like, WOW. That's so incredible, it has to be real!

The laws of Physics and gravity can be broken. I mean, look at the Guys in china( I Think) that do Shoulin. They run up walls, Lay on spears and do loads of other other stuff. And THEY don't have massive muscles. My opinion is is that it is the mind that must first be tuned to then realise your bodies full potentioal and then you would be able to do that sort of thing.

No I do not. Not at all.

What Homo said... yeah laws are barriers. Barriers can be broken w/ requirements. In this case, lotsa speed is required to run up a wall. You've never seen Jackie Chan run up a wall? Yup. No wires.

I believe that the Laws of Physics and Gravity CAN be broken, the reason being, a hypothosis can be proven 99.99999999999(continueing)%, because you do not know whether or not it can be broken (the hypothosis), so we can take a hypothosis that the Laws of Physics and Gravity CAN'T be broken, but it can only be proven 99.99999999999(continueing)% true because it has never been done before, the other 0.000000000000000001 is the part that cannot be proven just because you do not know whether or not it can be done because later in earth's history it could happen...

And did you happen to notice the fact that on the game Enter the Matrix and on the movies, that they need FOCUS in order to go into bullet-time mode and do their kung-fu/gravity defying feats, so they have to be able to focus their mind in order to do these things...

All this to say that the Laws of Physics have the possibility of being broken because of that 0.0000000000000000001% of disagreement...

So yes I do believe this...

gravity is just a force, and a force can be exceeded with enough energy and an opposite force that is greater than the given force...gravity is broken with spaceships...now if humans will ever reach that kind of capacity, probably not. but is there a posibility? DEFINITELY...science is all based on theories and hypothesis drawn from data. Gravity might not exist...maybe our bodies want to stay on solid ground for some reasons...we will never know because science is never 100%. You can't seriously tell me that you believe all that science has to say. Once u get to a certain point, like sub-sub-subatomic particles one will realize that its all a bunch of bull**** that we dont really know...If we can overcome enough bull****, we can defy phyics and gravity...its all in an opposing force...but will this pathetic hunk of meat ever be capable of such a force? not in my lifetime...

Sorry if someone said this already cause i just scrolled down...

If Neo, trinity etc. belive they can do it, then they will do it.Thats pretty much the best way I can say it without sounding corny

strings man strings......oh by the way NO

Nobody can break the laws of gravity. It is a pointless theory. Gravity holds everything down, with such a force. No one can break the laws of physics. It isn't possible. The Matrix doesn't excist, where you can fly. This is the real world guys. Get used to it... :( Sorry, but it's the truth.
Thanks...
Drake

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Drake, you're a weirdo.

I believe it can be done, but I do not believe that I could do it.

Originally posted by Agent_Drake
Nobody can break the laws of gravity. It is a pointless theory. Gravity holds everything down, with such a force. No one can break the laws of physics. It isn't possible. The Matrix doesn't excist, where you can fly. This is the real world guys. Get used to it... :( Sorry, but it's the truth.
Thanks...
Drake

but how can you say that when in the early 80's (pretty sure) sceinitist said that NO MAN OR WOMEN could run the 100m faster than 10secs, because there mind would leave there body, literally.
but now then run faster than that and in less time... and i was not talking about FLYING, just defeating the laws of say, running up a walk ect...

you have no hope drake.

I don't wish to appear rude, but...

Originally posted by BiggStankDogg
Another example I would cite would be that some coma victims are aware of their surroundings, can recognize and discern voices, and even hear conversations and comprehend what is said. But they cannot break free because of the physical limitations placed on their body.

I totally disagree with this, coma is generally defined as a deep state of unconciousness. The inability to move is down to neurological damage, not physical limitations. There are varying degrees of coma (Glasgow Coma Scale), with different levels of awareness. Different parts of the brain are responsible for motor functions than for discerning voices.

I'd also like to add that some people under the influence of drugs and/or alchohol have been known to exhibit above average strength (just ask David Gest about Liza Minnelli, he'll tell you:)). I hardly think in those cases that the mind was more free...

Sorry, I don't agree with this either. Alchohol is well know for making you less inhibited, which is why you get drunken idiots making passes at women when they wouldn't think of doing that sober. Also artists and writers are well known for experimenting with drugs when working.

Physics are a nonstop evolution. A few hundred years ago, noone had a clue how to leave earth, today we know. There they had to copy books by handwriting, today it's done in a microsecond with a computer. Today we drive in a car, tomorrow we're floating in a magnetic field vehicle.

The future holds a wide variety of progress and discoveries: some will be positive and some negative, and some is positive but will be used negatively, like always.

Purelander

I don't know why I'm bringing this thread back to life, but what the hell, eh? You only live 25 times, right?

Ok, I hit agree. I am all for science and science is great, but until the math can be proven to hold true, then you will only see what 'appears' to be defiance. Math is the quintessential proof. If one can prove that physics can be defied by any one means by math, then that one instance is true, and absolutely true. That means if not one but many more could be proven to defy. Hasn't been done yet, but that doesn't mean it's dead.

The mind thing, I believe anyway, is pure speculation, as humans don't really know what the brain is capable of doing. Sure statistics and observations work, but observations by humans can be flawed. It all goes back to Math, and the proven laws.

Anyone up for a new discussion? Stalin? HU? Bob?
Ah hells bells.

This discussion was not really focused on its question. Drake, for once, is actually very correct.
We're talking about breaking the laws of physics here folks. Not overcoming them. Sure, we can train. We're getting stronger and stronger athletes, fed with better diets. Drugs that can push our limits. But all we're talking about is pushing the human limits, not about breaking any physical rules. You can run up a wall, even at 90 degrees if your shoes and muscles are good enough (Go for Nike!! Wait-what am I saying). That's not breaking the laws of physics. Breaking; would be standing and waiting on a spot on a 90 degree wall absolutely perpendicular without gimmicks, for hours.
And break they have, apparently. Scientists have succeeded in, with very expensive and power-draining equipment, nullified gravity in a small space. The exact details are foggy, but it does offer possibilities.
Oh, and faith in the mind? I'll have none of it. The mind, in my opinion of the matter, came from the universe, not the other way round. It's effects on the universe, then, are sobering.

Unless you are in the Matrix or believe in magic, you cannot break the laws of gravity or physics, but you can manipulate the effect they have on objects. Take a plane for example - it appears to break the laws of gravity, but it does not.

Actually a plane utilizes physics and gravity. It is the concept of lift that allows the plane to fly, nothing magical. Simply because what we today call a law does not me it is accurate. To our logic it certainly is, but there is always the chance that we are wrong. It has happened before in human history, I am sure it will happen again.

But Don, that was my point. The laws are pretty solid and I doubt they can be proven wrong here in our everyday world unless you are doing some unique experiment like carrying out quantum fluxology upsidedown while entering a singularity. At light speed.

But Don, that was my point. The laws are pretty solid and I doubt they can be proven wrong here in our everyday world unless you are doing some unique experiment like carrying out quantum fluxology upsidedown while entering a singularity. At light speed.
But a couple of hundred years ago it was also pretty solid that the world was flat, and that the four elements made up everything, D's right, things can be proven wrong.
We prove gravity etc exists by the means we have, in the future we may have other means that will prove they don't exist, you just don't know.

anything can be proven with sufficient evidence...

in the future we may have other means that will prove they don't exist, you just don't know.

The future is not the 'everyday world' I speak of.

50-60 years ago, people said that breaking the sound barrier couldn't be done. Now look: We have the shuttle (28 times the speed of sound!), had the Concorde, have all of these military jetcraft...
It's possible to break gravity and physics. Some of the breaking might have to involve the creation of a different space-time, but still, it could work.

-Snoopy