What Is AI

how can Intelligence be "artificial" it either is or it isnt Intelligence is defined as not just having knowledge but knowing how to use it and the machines do that very well (even better than humans)

Think of it this way:
Machines know how to adequately manage their intellect but when faced with human dilema (i.e. Making decisions based on love.)they cannot ascertain that type of emotion ergo making them simply Artificial but with inherited Intelligence from multiple binaries embedded into their programme.
While us humans we have that type of Emotion embedded unto our brain ergo separating and classifying us as human and not machinery.
We are intelligence with structured emotions, while the machines are filled with intelligence artificially with no capable structured emotion.

-We are humans stuck in the inner machinery of large bureaucracies that process our thinking structures..
-the Frenchman

but whos to say that their way of "thinking" without emotion is not better than ours just because their intelligence is artificial does not mean their thinking is, other than emotion imagination is the only thing that seperates our ways of thinking, as with the arc speech emotion can sometimes cloud our decisions sometimes right sometimes not, whereas the machines always make the rationally right decision if the machines were capable of Imagination then their intelligence might not be so artificial, who knows what they would then be capable of then. jusu imagine machine thinking power combined with even a child like imagination, only then could they truly evolve

I don't think it is possible to have AI as in artificial intelligence, but I do believe in "Assisted Intelligence", where basically a human Conscience controls a Computer by brainwaves alone, or some kind of memory implant, but actual machines becoming self aware with no aid from a human is impossible, toasters will never outsmart me, man.

A toaster may not, but what about Honda Asimo? We'd better watch him...

Originally posted by sparky667
I don't think it is possible to have AI as in artificial intelligence, but I do believe in "Assisted Intelligence", where basically a human Conscience controls a Computer by brainwaves alone, or some kind of memory implant, but actual machines becoming self aware with no aid from a human is impossible, toasters will never outsmart me, man.

100 years ago people believed that flight was impossible. 2000 years ago people believed that there would never be a man so intelligent, intelectual and enlightened as Jesus Christ, yet here I stand. Do not judge too fast about what is and what is impossible.

Although artificial intelligence is currently incredibly difficult to make, as they are unable to comprehend the chaos theory, I'm confident that in time, we will succeed.

Honda Asimo? lol. I personally think artificial intelligence is more likely to spread through a large media, like the internet, as the information feed is much larger. Adapting an intelligence to such a small body with such limited input, is to me, almost asking for the impossible. Unless we dramatically increase the possibilities of robotics, I doubt we will go far there.

Mr U

see we can forget things or we some times have to learn things or even use things to help us think. a machine can do it all on its own with out using other equipment. really the only thing i can think of that might sound are even be concidered for a mechine learning or getting help is when something is upgraded in it or something in that line. to me AI is the ability of some one or some thing to be able to have all the knowlage one needs to rule the world.

You yourself could be some sort of AI. Do u still remember the
earliest thing in your life as a kid? What happens before that?
Yes, that's it, where does the self-awareness pop out?
You're still a bunch of cells working together with each cell still not
aware of their purpose to do what it is suppose to do, but
collectively the cells work as a lively machine, that is you.
Remember when u're in the womb u're still a bunch of flesh, u
don't have awareness, u cannot appreciate love or emotion.
The mechanisms of a neural network in ur brain which each
neurals joined by synapes binding all the electrical impulses and
react what is acted before when a similar impulse is sensed.
When all these are brought together, that is uniquely you.

Then like in M3 a machine does not have feelings or emotions. Therefore a human mind is open for more entalect and knowlege that a machinde can never have. while a machine might now more and be capable of doing things that no human can do, a human mind is open to the things a machine my have and more. What iam getting at is we know every thing a machine knows seeing as we built it but we just dont know how to use it like a machine does. This causes us to not have the same possible things a machine has but still alows us to ask the question what is AI even though we know what it is.

hmmm not quite sure of that. AI is artificial intelligence and is a testement of the closeness humans are to creating life. Yes machines have no emotions now but then they could have emotions in the future ever watched AI artificial intelligence (movie)?
We are getting ever closer to that.

You yourself could be some sort of AI. Do u still remember the
earliest thing in your life as a kid? What happens before that?
Yes, that's it, where does the self-awareness pop out?
You're still a bunch of cells working together with each cell still not
aware of their purpose to do what it is suppose to do, but
collectively the cells work as a lively machine, that is you.
Remember when u're in the womb u're still a bunch of flesh, u
don't have awareness, u cannot appreciate love or emotion.
The mechanisms of a neural network in ur brain which each
neurals joined by synapes binding all the electrical impulses and
react what is acted before when a similar impulse is sensed.
When all these are brought together, that is uniquely you.

Very true, very true. Where does our conciousness come from? And then again some questions aren't meant to be answered.

It is generated by a part of the brain. Self-awareness is an illusion. Everything we think are simply neurological processes in the brain.

Please do not double post, universcythe!

Mr U

Then please explain the neurological process.

Or probably the REAL earth now is just mere coarse terrain.
Dark clouds, thunders, lightnings, the sun's not visible...
Then at one corner there stands a big building housing billions
of clusters of machines running non-stop. Translucent blue
luminous fluid flows in transparent pipes around the machines,
taking away excess heat. The machines are emulating the
self-awareness mechanism of ours as well as the physics of a
small universe in it.
Ultimately, we're just mere lines of machine codes.
And BTW, I guess in this REAL world, the humans had long dead.
The AI robots now rule the REAL world, probably some sort of
stupid calamity caused by human wiped human off the entire
REAL universe, say like a global greenhouse effect. What's left
are virtual humans, made up of instruction codes...built by robots
...And that's US!

Why complicate a simple situation?? It is all in willpower if you know you can see then you will be conccious of sight same as anything else and Mr. U there is one problem with your analysis if our consciousnesses were "simply an illusion" then why not go back to religion (all religion and think again). Then if you wanna philosophy of the concept of the matrix you only decieve yourselves. The real and only question we need to ask is, "What is choice?"
If you choose for something to be it will be.
If you choose to see machines ruling over us, you will.
If you choose to see this world as a beautiful place, you will.
If you choose to die, you will die.
So don't question anything else but choice.
It is all in choice as if you don't want to accept what I say you won't
and if you do, hopefully you will undrstand the knowledge of the power of choice is a gift and discoering it through learning could be the destruction of mankind.
Then you may say it already ended?
It all lies in choice which in itself is a governing force in life.
The life of all who choose to exist.

Understand I'm not here to harm but am here to help.

Choice is an illusion created between those with powers and those without.

I've always thought that, with a preset sets of data describing the universe, as well as
the physics rules of how these datas interact(how the universe works), you'll always
get the same ending. Choice and randomness is pre-defined, in a sense, that is.
You get the feel of total control of your choice, but undeniably the fact that this
feeling/thought is a result of your previous thoughts that were influenced by certain
thinkings,internal or external stimulus, which again these are influenced by something
else, all according to a preset rule. Had we know the rules, we might just extrapolate
the datas and oh! That's what I'm going to do next.

Then again what if some of us are already doing that??

doing that??
doing what?
Okay, or how about let's say all the philosophers just don't exist, so we won't go to
such discussions. Just what if the universe is indeed just a universe, we humans are
just mere humans, evolved millions of years ago from a single seed of life, the all
important Q-enzyme(donno what it's called), and for mere coincidence that this
enzyme was created. Then you'll realize why for just a simple matter we're thinking
things upside down and complicate them. It's just a mere coincidence. Those people
who said 'the universe was created because we're here to observe it' and those craps
akin to it, are actually looking for nonsense reason to cover up their inability to
describe such incomprehensible matter. But anyhow it shows some level of thinking
and atleast we're getting somewhere. Humans are always a complicating species.

I agree humans are a complicating species and
I believe that our ambition,lust, greed, and own internal flaw leads us to these things.Also I can't say naught against our creation may of been a sheer accident.
But since we are here in existance. We observe and dextroy or enrich the world as we see fit. AI is just another effort in our pursuit to the key of life.

ambition,lust,greed and those that you've mentioned are a result of civilization
development.
I must say from day one, man is equipped with only the ability to learn. So you could
say human is a learning machine, if you regard those cells in our body as mechanics
that only follows a certain rule to function, but by itself has no idea nor consciousness
to appreciate or to comprehend why it does so. In whole, that's us. In part, it's
nothing, same as a coarse rock or a tiny dust.
Thus, with such learning capabilities, man has evolved. It does not surprise me what
man has done or can do, like building a tree house or writing a program. Anything is
capable of that, except for how well it imitates and varied it so there'll be evolution.
But it really intrigues me when man can feel its own existence, has self-awareness and
consciousness. Like you and I, sitting here typing what came into our mind, and at the
same time can feel the reality.
So as man is bewildered by their own intelligence and others' lack thereof, they start
to question what came before them and created them. The universe down to the
strings in quarks are nevertheless an unbelievable creation, with such systematic
structures and design, all working harmoniously alongside with the physics rules.
Like a building, a structure build on top of each other, depends on each other, until it
came to such high a hierachy as human. From nothing to something, and not an
ordinary something, but an intelligent thing.
And that's what puzzled human, I believe.

It puzzles us as some may be puzzled by this philosophical talk. If we are sentient beings are there others and why do we have to be sentient? What I would ask is would you be opposite? Some would say yes to your surprise. All the way back to the beginning; the beginning of our seperation from God (as described in the Christian bible). You could also say the seperation of us from a singular consciousness. To the Garden of Eden and Adam and Eve. Had they not eaten from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, there wouldn't be orgiginal sin and we wouldn't be a sentient being as we are now. If science searches for answer (if the Christian bible is incorrect) surely the answer would be something similar.

Allow me to question the existence of God.
Since the very beginning, when human were still quite ignorant, they can't understand
their surroundings. Things like eclipse and aurora were thought as something divine,
something ghostly. Ancient people thought trees and skies and stars and the sun
possess soul and special powers. Because they can't understand why things like
eclipse and aurora happened, thus they infer that a being that's more powerful than
them did it as ordinary humans can't do such things. Thus the concept of God is bore.
Like the chinese who thought eclipse is a result of the sun being eaten by a divine
dog. Such believes were originally called animism and slowly evolve into religions like
christian,islam,taoism,cunfucianism,buddhism,hinduism,etc.
As human evolves and get to know more about his surroundings, he started to
question a lot of things, including God. If what's said earlier is true, then the God
simply doesn't exist. Man use god to explain everything because frankly they're unable
to comprehend the incomprehensible, like who created the universe.
But religion is good for one thing, keeps man from doing the wrong things.
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Your thoughts are something to pickle a person but I'll say that as it stands you are right there is no proof only faith. So I can't argue against that fact. consider this though religion has many unchartered avenues and some hold true power that can be witnessed up front don't blind yourself from it because there is no proof it is real.

thx, though religion is good, i cannot believe things blindly. Religions aside, as the
matrix points out, the reality is only as good as what you perceive through your
sensories. We can't guarantee the impulses are not tapped half-way through our
brain, and that's what blinds us from the truth.
Still, I remain faithful to my religion because it teaches us to be well-behaved.
Sacrificing to god and things like that, well, I don't believe, because God has so far
not giving any sign that He's still there. About those claims by people that they can
do something unbelievable which is related to the God, well, if one wants to believe it,
then go ahead. They probably have schizophreak(not quite sure about the spelling) or
maybe it's a playing with science stuffs. Even if there's just one special incident, which
most ppl would relate to the God. Hey, that's just one incident, out of so many people
out there. The probability of such things happening, though small, but given that the
number of subjects(i mean human beings) are so enormous, things like that could
happen, and I mean coincidence.
Probably some who read what I write here, may say that I'm sort of escapism, that I
dont accept the existence of God and give excuses and things like that. But frankly,
that's what I can infer from what I perceive now about the real world. If reading a
bible or any religion teachings tells me every truth about this world and it expects me
to believe it without any good evidence, then why would I? There isn't just one
religion, and each religion's portray of the God's image differs vastly. So, tell me, just
who's and which religion is telling the truth?
When posed with such question, everyone would say their own religion is the one
telling the truth. In the end, it's your believe and you your own which determine what's
true and what's not.Like if I choose to believe in christianity, then I'll.
Again, it brought us to the issue of Choice, which we've discussed earlier.
And then I countered it by saying the destiny of everything is determined already,
everything is following a pre-determined path based on a rule. And that rule is what
we're trying to discover. The method to discover it is called Science.
And who created these laws and rules?
And here we back to square one, that is God.
And because we don't know who created it, we simply say it's God. And we refused to
accept any other explanations.

You have made an excellent point. Why choose to accept something when their is no proof to accept it. Then again why not choose to accept. I thnk as you said the problem is choice. Everything ever created ever done by human beings is a result of there choice to do so. So lets go a little deeper. What if there is a system of control that controls your choices. We call that fate and/or destiny right? It only is there to people who chose to accept it's there but if you choose not to accept fate. Than it may not play a part in your life.Choice is one of the most powerful things form human beings. Your choice effects others choices and in the big picture choice effects your future the choices you will have next etc.

(BTW I recomend a video game that can adequately show this factor to you shadow of destiny but in the life outside that closed demision of the video game there are many more deciding factors)

You're right, too, that choice is too vast of its effects.
As you point out, that what if there's a system that controls choice, something we
liken to destiny, well, then we're in an illusion that we're in total control. But when you
think further, what's the main point of having such system? Is there some being who
makes this system? Someone is observing us?
And then, if it's fate, then everything is pre-determined, and everything becomes
predictable. No point for that being to do something like this.
So if it's not predictable, then we must be in control of it.
But then if it's predictable, and still that being does this, what's the motive?
If we can't understand it, it doesn't matter. Same as animals can't understand human.
And as you've pointed out, if we choose to not to accept fate, is this choice part of
the fate system? Then if it is there creates a nice paradox.

Like I said in my earlier post , what if there isn't anything we discussed ever existed?
Which means everything is just as it was. Universe, intelligent being, everything is
just as it is? And not so complicated as what the philosophers say.
Remember, if should we are just mere test subjects, and regardless of that, we're
trying to understand the outside from inside. We're in a black box, and we're trying to
know what's outside.

BTW, I feel tired of what I said. All said were just questions, or clarification of things.
I dont see an answer.

No one can prove that they exist to you. Some Theologists say that God is a small child, born minutes before the Big Bang, in a world not unlike our own. The child begins to think, what if? In his mind, he creates the world as we live in it today. In a way we are part of this giant mind, all parts of one 'soul'. This is an excellent tie between Christianity and Brahma, and no one can disprove it because we can not look outside of the 'World Mind'.

However! Logic declares that someone with a irregular theory should prove itself, not vice versa. This means that unless God's existence is proven, God does not exist. Not God exists untill his existence is disproven. This is very important to consider in these cases, and according to logic, thus, both the theory mentioned above and that mentioned by you is incorrect. Whether it is true or not is irrelevant as long as you can't prove it.

Mr U

Interestingly, i've never said that God really does exist. I even said god probably does
not exist, and I also said I never believe that God does exist, until it's proven, of
course.
I would say such believes are a result of centuries-old civilization evolution.
And neither did universcythe say so, I suppose.
So whose theory are you disproving?

You were talking about a level of outside control. If there is such control, a force many refer to as God, who see that he knows everything and that he is the drive behind everything (thus, in many means as the Matrix itself).

If there is something or someone out of the black box, who is it? What forces are outside it? How did the black box come to existence? What I am trying to disprove is your black-box theory. It makes the nature of things more complex, without offering a solution to any problem as it exists to day. Imagine you are right, and we do live inside that black box. What makes it different from our present universe? Can you prove your theory be means of experimentation?

Mr U

Did I say, "All said were just questions, or clarifications of things. I dont see an
answer"?
And I said, IF should we are just mere test subjects, ......black box.
I never say explicitly that we're controlled nor we're not controlled, because frankly I
know it's impossible. If we're controlled, what you can do is limited by the controller,
thus we'll never find it out.

An interesting discussion, and I believe we haven't met. Well argued, Jian and scythe.
Now, on this theory in a nutshell; I couldn't help but ask. You question HU on which side he's on; but now I've lost your side as well. You seem to disagree with God or the like, yet you come up with a lot of 'what if's. Surely deep down you're wondering about something that nags at your thoughts and fills you with doubt. What then, are you most doubtful about?
It's very easy to come up with a theory on the world: everyone has one. It's also very, very easy to come up with counters. Black box, a playful God, an illusion where nothing we know matters. What then is the use of all this? The questions, and their answers, will never stop coming, each equally possible but unprovable.
A previous post already has your answer: it all lies in faith; specifically the amount you have in it. Unless you want to find your answers, and can settle with some, you will never find any, and continue doubting. Faith in a God may suffice. Or in nothingness. Or fate. Anything that ultimately gets you through your day, because indeed the whole of the human race is lost in its search for answers. No-one will give you a definite one. You have to find one for yourself. God-believing fish or naysaying fish will all still live peaceful, swimming lives in the pond they are restricted to living in...but is that truly a loss to the fishes?

You're right, Mcleod. However one argues, even if he's right, it doesn't help in anyway.