Phone booth theory proven by Matrix Online?

Matrix Online is supposed to begin just after the third movie ends.

What will the internal Matrix date be when it begins?

It seems like finding this out would be a natural first priority during gameplay. If time inside the Matrix Online begins before Sep. 1999, then we know the last scene of "The Matrix" happens after "Revolutions" and will in fact happen during the timeframe of Matrix Online. This event, which would have to happen in the first three months of gameplay, would obviously be a very important part of the story line.

I think they already said that it takes place after Revolutions. At least I'm pretty sure that's what I read on the sight.

Thats a very good point! But what if since the Matrix was reloaded at the end of rev. The date the machines loaded says April 12th, 1997? What then? We may never know then if the phone booth sceen was really at the end of it all...

Yes, I know the Matrix Online takes place after Revolutions. But we don't currently know what the Matrix date is when Revolutions ends.

My point was just that Matrix Online may allow us to verify the phone booth theory.

So far we have not been able to verify it from the first three films (although people have presented a lot of circumstantial evidence).

Yes, if the date resets when the matrix is reloaded at the end of revolutions, then things are stickier. In that case the phonebooth scene may occur much later than 3 months after the beginning of Matrix Online. Or it may mean that the phonebooth scene ocurred at the end of M1, then M2 & M3 ocurred, then the date was reset and the phonebooth scene will not occur in Matrix Online.

Well in true Matrix style, we will probably never have the answer, we'll only be left to speculate and fight agents and such

In fact, the question of whether time resets on reloading the matrix is a big question. The architect declines to support this idea; instead he says he prefers to measure time from one anomaly to the next. Several people have taken this as a suggestion of continuity of time through the reset.

Also, the WB's seem to like the idea of interpreting sometimes pretty old myths in our world as having a role in the matrix. For example, in the matrix we have Vampires who existed in earlier cycles and then were exiled. Now in the real world, the vampire myth is what, 200 years old at least? Supposedly it started b/c when humans get rabies they bite people and don't like light.

So did these Vampires exist when the internal time was in the 90's? It seems more natural for them to exist when internal matrix time was much earlier. Maybe Matrix time lasted back several centuries before 1999 and was not reset on reloading. Indeed, if there were not resets and inter-anomaly time is approximately 100 years (Morpheus refers to 100 years of history during which Zion has fought the machines, presumably w/out witnessing any Ones) then the Matrix time stretches back to about 1500. This obviously a very rough estimate.

This would imply a very ironic action by the machines: that they forced humans to relive a lot of their history, possibly so both man and machine might learn something.

Anyway, IF you accept continuity of time through matrix reloads then the matrix online game having first day in 1999 before Sep wd support the idea that the phonebooth scene is still to come.

Yeah, that's another good idea, but OUCH! this phonebooth thing is making my head hurt.

Good on you for keeping up the search for an answer though, we really need to have this problem solved.

Anyone get hold of them Wachowski geezers yet?

Thanks :)

I just wanted to tie together the Matrix Online, which we know little about, with one of our M1-3 questions.

By the way, it certain seems that Neo has survived M3 in some form; the lyrics of the song played during his final fight are all about immortality and the mind transcending the body.

(As was posted earlier: look at bottom of page of

http://dondavis.filmmusic.com/project_detail.html?id=matrix_revolutions

)

Originally posted by Shrum
The architect declines to support this idea; instead he says he prefers to measure time from one anomaly to the next..

When does he say thay? I may be wrong but I thought he likes to think as each version from one anomly insertion to the next. I don't recall him using the word time.

Originally posted by Shrum Also, the WB's seem to like the idea of interpreting sometimes pretty old myths in our world as having a role in the matrix. For example, in the matrix we have Vampires who existed in earlier cycles and then were exiled.

Maybe I'm wrong about this but I think the Oracle explains why you have vampire and ghost. She tells Neo that they are programs that have chosen exile over deletion. They are doing things they are not suppose to so it gives the appearance of ghost and such to the people plugged into the matrix.


I personally do not believe the phonebooth theory. The things Neo says in my opinion disprove it. Also, it would seem that time would reset itself when the Matrix is reset. Agent Smith says that the Matrix was created during the peak of human civialization and I don't think that 1500ad would be considered our peak.

Other points to consider when considering the phone booth theory. We do not know how long between Trinity's call when Neo was set free. We do not know how long it took Neo to build his strength and to train. Morpheus says we think it's 1999 which would put us at least 10 months past the opening scene phone call. One other thing, if you remember when Neo is in the car to go see the Oracle for the first time he sees a Chinese Restaurant he used to eat at. His comments and reaction make me think that it has been a while since he was freed. Its like returning to a town that you have not lived at in a long time and when you see a place for the first time since you left it brings back a memory you had not thought of for quit some time.

Yes, the Oracle says vampires are programs that chose exile. But when in Matrix time did they exist?

See the funny thing is that if it has been at least 100 years since the last One (Morpheus refers to 100 yrs of struggle, and in M1 he refers to the first man who left the matrix; this must refer to what we now know is the 5th One), then Matrix time must extend as far back as 1900, because there can't have been reloadings in the last 100 yrs, so time must have proceeded normally for that period.

Morpheus does say that the matrix was created at the peak of human civilization, but that doesn't tell you what the internal date of the matrix was when it was created. Indeed, we KNOW the machines plugged the humans in to a world which had an earlier internal date and an earlier state of technology. The clash between the humans and machines involved a lot of hi-tech like hovercrafts (which we still see in the outside world of the matrix) but which doesn't appear to exist yet in the c. 1999 time inside the matrix. So we know the machines plugged humans into an earlier time, and the remarkable thing is that, at least in the cycle of the matrix which includes M1-3, dates as far back as 1900 must have ocurred.

Originally posted by Shrum
then Matrix time must extend as far back as 1900, because there can't have been reloadings in the last 100 yrs, so time must have proceeded normally for that period.

It is unlikely that Matrix time would start in the late 1800. Matrix time, must likely is set on a much shorter time loop. It wouldn't seem feasible for Matrix time to start before phones are a common thing and possible even computers.