Is Neo Dead?

That's the question most of us are asking, among other questions. This explanation is somewhat a psychiatrical evaluation, and explains a lot before getting to the point. So for those who aren't interested in the evaluation, scroll down.
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Since the beginning, Neo and Trinity were meant for eachother. Neo died in the first film, and was brought back to life by Trinity. And it was then that Trinity confessed her love for him. All the films are about their love, but the second film is the most devoted to it.

In the second film, Trinity presses her hand against Neo's hand and interlocks their fingers. "Feel this? I'm never letting go." She was sure that they would be together for a long time. Before she died in the second film, she apologises to Neo. What was she apologising for, exactly? Maybe because she felt making that promise of staying together was now going to be disproven, and that it would've been better never to make it. In the entire scene where Neo rushed at sound-breaking speed to save Trinity, and his refusal to just let her die, he had the power to save her. From that point on, he felt confident that they would be okay, and that he could protect her.

In the third film, when Neo calls out to Trinity after he is "blinded" and after the ship crashes into the Machine City, there is worry in his voice. Is he worried because she might be hurt, or worried because he can't see her? If you recall, she has to let Neo know where she is. It may seem that Neo's new sight only allowed him to see anything made of the orange light, and that only machines and programs are made of this light. But when Neo looks down at his feet while walking, his feet and anything else visible in that frame were made of the same orange light. This is simply a real-world variation of Neo's "binary vision" acquired in the first film. So everything is made of this orange light, and there is no logical reason why Neo shouldn't be able to see Trinity. But he can't, and I don't have any idea why.

The Architect tells Neo that Trinity "…is going to die and there is nothing you can do to stop it." She does die, and Neo could not prevent it, but he did stop it by reviving her heart. But was the Architect referring to that event, or the death of Trinity in the third film? Was the Architect just making an educated guess based on Neo's dreams, or did he know about Trinity's real death in the third film?
I think that he did know about her real death. Maybe he can also see into the future, or maybe the Oracle told him? This would make more sense. The Architect greatly encourages Neo to pick the door leading to the salvation of Zion. But at that time Zion was not in any immediate danger. The machines were still digging.
Zion's salvation would depend on the final battle between Neo and Smith.

When Trinity dies in the third film, Neo is powerless to stop it. Even Trinity tells him this. "You saved me, but not this time." Not only is he powerless to stop it, but if my orange observation is correct, he can't even see her. All he can do is listen to her obviously-intended death bed speech, and wait for her to die. Even worse, Neo and Trinity had intercourse in the second movie. And since plastic is rare in the real world, much less functioning condoms, I'll assume that Neo successfully insemenated Trinity. Even if he didn't, that thought was still in his mind. He was going to lose Trinity and possibly a child. I could only imagine that Neo thought back to what the Architect said, and his over-confidence after that point.

After Trinity dies, Neo is pretty much depressed, confused, and even suicidal, since Trinity is dead. So his final battle with Smith is not fought to the full extent of his power. He gets a moment of confidence back after realizing that he chose to keep fighting, but why? Is it because he knows that this battle determines the fate of Zion? Evidence pointed out when Neo does not resist Smith's conversion suggest otherwise. Neo was not focused on Zion at this point in the battle.
I have experienced something similar to this. The mind is so overwhelmed by all of the recent events and the current risk of being hurt, that the body makes the mind calm. But this isn't good. While this calm feeling encourages the need to survive and keep fighting, it also confuses the mind a great deal and makes it forget.
This is Neo's state of mind when he and Smith were down in the crater. Neo didn't resist Smith's conversion because he had given up hope or because he had a plan. He didn't resist because he couldn't. Taking into consideration the stress of Trinity's death, the physical and mental trauma while fighting Smith, and the paralysing effect of Smith's conversion, I would imagine that Neo wasn't even aware of the current situation, maybe not even aware of himself.

After the conversion, the machines gave Neo more power, or gave him a wakeup call, or started a weird reaction. But whatever the case, it is clear that Neo did release some of his own energy, as shown by the white light coming from his eyes and mouth, and the white light coming from his chest that was in the definite shape of a cross.
How much energy did he give off? Enough to at least make him unconcious. Does the cross-shape of the energy symbolize something? Maybe ressurection? Or maybe confirmation that he is truly the one? If he is alive, would he want to live now that Trinity is dead? If he is dead, where is the machine taking his body? To be studied, or perhaps cloned or restored?
It is likely that the machines have the technology to restore a fresh body and keep the mind's memories intact. Just because they don't use it doesn't mean they can't. It's probably just easier to grow a new fetus than to try restoring an already-used body. So it's not the question of if Neo is dead or not, it's the question of if Neo is dead, will he be restored by the machines? And will they also restore Trinity? And again, if not to restore him, or if still alive, where is the machine taking Neo?

I think I have created more questions than answers, but that's the only explanation I can come up with right now.
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Oh, here's a little fact you may have missed in Revolutions. At the end of the movie, the Oracle is sitting on a bench in the park. On that bench is a small plaque that reads: "Dedicated to the memory of Thomas A. Anderson" That bench was used in the Matrix Reloaded special features on the DVD. It seems too odd that they would make that plaque just for the small interview and not use it in the movie, and that a bench with a plaque was used in the movie. On the DVD, the plaque was golden-colored and on the far left of the bench, but in the movie it's brown-colored and near the middle of the bench. But the two are probably the same.

I personally think that Neo is dead, and that the machine is taking his body to be further examined, not restored. It could be too risky to restore him. Or maybe taking his body back to Zion, to sort of explain the treaty to the humans. But that's unlikely.
Yeah, the second and third films were nice and explained some things. But in the long run, I think the first film would've been more memorable if left alone. And yes, in my opinion the third film was disappointing. It didn't answer anything, just created more questions. The fight scenes were too long, and the ending could've been better. The third film is basically a desperate attempt at completing the second film, explaining what happened to the original actress that played the Oracle, and as a way to leave openings for further films. And the ending was just crammed full of openings. If they're gonna create more matrix films that are just too long with too much action and little plot outside the original, they should just stop.
Revolutions was depressing, if anything. If Trinity had just moved to the back away from the cockpit before the ship crashed, she and Neo would probably still be alive. Oh well, I guess they're together in Heaven now, or will be soon enough.

Here's another question. Why did Trinity seem so ready to face death in the third film? She wasn't so brave in the second. Maybe she knew from the time she left with Neo to the machine city. Maybe the Oracle hinted of just told her about it. So many questions left unanswered.

I don't think Neo is dead... actually, i mean he is dead physically but he is not dead in this world... the reason why Neo body glow orange at the end of the movie was because Neo has now became part of the Matrix once again... ok let me explain how this work out...

remember the oracle and the Architect said the following 3 points:

1) Everything in the Matrix has a purpose and if something have no purpose in the Matrix, it will be deleted.
2) The Matrix system will try to balance all the imbalance in the Matrix.
3) When "the one" (ie: Neo) fails, the Matrix will restart and everything will start all over again.

So now with those 3 points in mind... here is what happen at the last fight with Agent Smith...

Neo, knowing that neither him nor Agent Smith will win the last fight and knowing that his love Trinity has already died earlier, he has chosen to give up his life for the good of the human kind...
he choses to let Agent Smith absorb him... and once that happen... Agent Smith has no purpose in the matrix anymore and shall be deleted but Agent Smith has lived through one deletion after the 1st movie but this time around is different. Agent Smith realize that he can not avoid deletion this time and that's why he keep saying at the end "it is not fair". The reason why this time around, Agent Smith can not avoid deletion was because this time around, Agent Smith has caused an imbalance in the Matrix that is unsolvable and the matrix system needs to distory every single Agent Smith and restart the system inorder to fix this problem. Hence every Agent Smith in the Matrix are destory. Since Neo (the one) has die, the Matrix restarted, you can notice this from the black cat running past the girl on the floor when the floor and the building were all restored to is original state...

Since the Matrix was restart, the NEW "the one" hence another Neo will return... Hence, Neo did not die... he was transform into another state/person... just like Oracle was transformed into another body.... I hope you understand what I mean :O)

Feel free to let me know what you think about my theory!

Peter

Neo is definitely dead. That machine that we saw with all the spikes and the creatures making up a human face- that was the Source. So Neo and his code have been taken back into the source to be diseminated. There will be another One, since that is an anomaly of the system and cannot be prevented, but it will probably not be for a while.

Another reason why Neo is dead is because Smith is gone. The imbalance has been restored to equilibrium by both of their deaths- both sides of the same coin have been destroyed, and that is the only way it could have been. To destroy Smith is to destroy Neo also.

In the second movie when Trinity dies, she doesn't seem to be very calm or willing to go at all. But she explains this in her death scene in Revolutions- she says that she told Neo 'sorry' because she wanted another chance to tell him she loved him and how much he meant to her, and she didn't have the time to. But in the 3rd movie, she has the time to tell him, and even the time to explain what had happened the previous time she died. This is why she is so calm- she got to say what she wanted, she had the chance to finish up.

Good points all...very good points. I have a few ideas though.
Looking at the Revolutions board raised more thoughts. There was a scene at the end that seemed to be from Neo's perspective, yet at that point he was supposed to be dead. Hope? Also, Teriken has expanded again on his 'Phonecall theory' that states that the dates being correct would mean that Neo came back to life to deliver the message-no one else familiar that we know being around does support it a little. Also, the Oracle seemed pretty sure they'd see him again (not just another One-besides, there's no need for Ones now, right?) Anyway, just thoughts. I'm not inclined to take a stand yet.
As for the Machine being the Source, might it really? The Source sounds like something confined to the matrix itself and we've seen that Revolutions was only barely about it. It might represent the original AIs from the 2nd Renaissance war and beyond. Still, that idea of the One ending the war after touching the source makes sense in that angle. Definitely worth thinking over: good one T!
Thanks for that bench point Fox, I'll definitely look out (with these inattentive eyes :D) for that the next time! Here's another musing of mine: notice the irony when Neo talks about the Arc being right or not and she goes 'Please'...? :)

But what about the whole religous aspect of the film? If you think Neo is dead then you would also have to ignore all of the Bible refrences throughout the films. It was obvious how Neo was lying after his fight with Smith.

So

If the WB are going to stay true to their religous theme here, Neo cannot be dead. If you know anything about christianity Jesus died for us, which is what Neo did, but also on the third day he rose again! So take that all you Neo haters!

neo is not dead he simplee is without a mind (they saved his mind to a 3.5 floppy) but there is goingto be a 4th.

Peter,
That is one heck of a theory. That... whoa. I agree with every bit of it from a logic point of view. If I could add some things however...
In Reloaded, Smith says to himself that it is happening exactly as before, well not exactly. That would point out that something had definitely changed. Many of the things that happen are different from the first matrixs, if you follow me. First of which, Neo has a type of equalibrium with the Matrix and the real world. The matrix therefore is imprinted in the real world, how I have no clue, but that is the only explanation since Neo still had the abilities he had gained when Smith came to the real world and after Neo killed him. Secondly, Smith took over the Matrix, and thirdly, Neo chose the opposite door in Reloaded that he had before due to his love for Trinity. Therefore, there is a completely different outcome that is derived from all of these events. Neo ends the entire war. Keep in mind what Smith says in the crater, something like,"Every beginning has and end, Neo." To tell you the truth, we can all ponder on this all day long, but I think that rather than doing that, we should pay attention to what the Oracle and the little girl are talking about at the end of Revolutions. The little girl asks if she will see Neo sometime soon, and the Oracle says yes. That implies one of two things, the latter the more probable:
1)Neo will be resurrected
2)Neo is alive
I think that the W Brothers answered all of the questions within the dialogue of the characters, you just have to pay attention to it. I also think that the W Brothers intentionally hid some of the answers within dialogue so that we could have something to talk about. It makes it more interesting. I hope this all makes sense.
Tobus

The Oracle is speaking through smith when he says this.
Remember that version of him is the one cloned from her!




[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tobus
[B]Peter,
.... Keep in mind what Smith says in the crater, something like,"Every beginning has and end, Neo." To tell you the truth, we can all ponder on this all day long, but I think that rather than doing that, ...

What is your point, Revan? :( I don't get your meaning.
Tobus

Wowpeter, through the bad spelling and grammar, I think I understand your theory. You're saying that the One is not a specific person, but rather a timeless "spirit" that is constantly renewed, right? But there's a flaw in that. Throughout the entire history of all the matrices, there existed only a single One. Neo was the only true One. The previous anomolies all failed and could not end the war, much less do some of the things Neo did.

Truth, I still believe that Trinity was calm because she was prepared for death, though getting to express her true feelings would be a great help to anyone who is on their death bed.

MacLeod, the phone call theory is the result of not considering the reason for that scene. When the Wachowski brothers created the first film, they were unsure if they were going to make more. So they basically summed up everything important in the first film, including the special features after the credits. The phone call scene was basically telling us that Neo would eventually do everything he is destined to do.
I have no clue why anyone would think it was at the end of Revolutions based on the dialogue or the date of 1998. Maybe Morpheus mistakenly said 1999. Yes, Neo's attitude and dialogue are similar to that shown in the second film, but it's not the same thing. Why would he say those things at the end of Revolutions if the war had already ended?
Though not stated or written, the basic treaty goes something like this: "You destroy Smith and we'll stop attacking Zion." Simple. The Matrix still exists and they'll need to double the output of fetus creation since everyone in Neo's matrix were set free. I think Zion is happy that the war has ended and the people of that matrix were set free, and won't try to set more people free. There will still be anomolies but no more Ones because the prophecy has already been fulfilled. Given the assumption that the people of Zion will not try to set more people free, and the almost complete infection of the Matrix and the machine mainframe by former agent Smith, there probably won't be more agents.
Yes, there are agents in the Animatrix: Matriculated, which takes place after Revolutions, but it was made before Revolutions was even started, so don't take it as anything more than a director's assumption. This also applies to the phone call theory.

NeoTurtle, the ressurection of the savior in the movie obviously Neo, fits in perfectly with the whole theme, and will probably happen one way or another if there is a fourth film.

Agent_Kender, you're probably the first one to state that theory of Neo's mind being saved without his body. But since the human mind cannot live without the body in the Matrix, his mind will have to be made into a program. This sounds like the most likely outcome other than restroration of Neo's body or that he is forever dead.

Tobus, just like Revan said, when Smith says "Everything that has a beginning has an end, Neo.", that is the Oracle speaking. In fact, the whole scene where Smith does everything exactly as he saw it in his vision is the Oracle's influence. The Oracle let Smith convert her because she knew it would eventually lead to his demise. Smith never calls Neo by that name, only by Mr.Anderson.
I don't think the Oracle actually says yes and gives a definite answer. If she knows that Neo will come back, why does she say "I'm sure Neo would've loved it" in response to Saki's sunrise? She is simply hoping that Neo will come back. There are things that even the Oracle cannot see.
And what about the plaque on the bench the Oracle sits in at the end of the third film? It reads "Dedicated to the memory of Thomas A. Anderson", suggesting that the Oracle or whoever created the bench believes that Neo is definitely dead. Since the Oracle is the first one to sit on the newly created bench, she probably created or influenced the creation of the bench.

Overall, we have many possibilties to consider:
a)Neo's body and mind are dead.
b)Neo's body is dead, but his mind is made into a program.
c)Neo's body is dead, but his mind is reincarnated into someone else's body in the Matrix.
d)Neo's body is dead but his mind or spirit is waiting somewhere to be ressurected.
e)Neo's body and mind are dead but will both be restored by the machines.
f)Neo's body and mind are not dead, but are on the verge of death because of all the recent stress.
g)Neo's body and mind are not dead. He is unconcious but will be okay.
h)Neo's body will be cloned by the machines, and there is a very small chance that the new Neo will be somewhat or exactly like the old one.
i)Neo's body will be examined by the machines and destroyed afterwards.
j)Neo's body will be taken back to Zion.
k)All of the possibilities listed above applied to Trinity.
l)All of the possibilities listed above used in combinations.
m)Any possibility I missed.

On to another subject, who is the source?(the big face Neo talks to in the third film) Many refer to the Source as 01. 01 is the name of the first machine city that was destroyed, and there was not even a hint that 01 was rebuilt or that an AI was named 01. In fact, even if there was an AI named 01, at that time there wasn't even a mainframe to transfer it's mind to. And it is doubtful that the AI's body or whatever system the AI's mind was stored in if any would've survived the war and project Dark Sky.
The most likely possibility is that the Source is a new AI created to maintain order in the new Machine City. No, the new Machine City is not built on the site of the old one(01). 01 was built in the middle-east in the midle of a desert. Since the people of Zion as well as the Source speak modern english, the new Machine City is probably in North America.
Some think that the Source is the robot that killed it's owners. But again, it was destroyed, there was no mainframe at that time, and I doubt it's body or mind or any copy of it's mind would've survived. Besides, that robot was just trying to live a normal life, and I don't think he would accept or become the title or persona of the Source.
Though not the most likely, I think the Source is the ambassador that destroyed the United Nations. Yes, it did self-destruct, and it's purpose as an ambassor is pretty much useless when you're dominating the world, and it's whole speech was useless since it killed everone who heard it afterwards, but wouldn't it be cool if the Source was that AI?
I mean c'mon, that ambassador AI was so cool! He signed his own name(or something) in the book, basically told the human race to surrender their flesh or die, and then destroyed the United Nations as well as Manhattan. And the way it spoke, it's cool-sounding voice, how it looked, and it's holding the apple of knowlege still, which basically tells humans "you're still stupid, we're still smart, now shove off and die!" I would go so far as to say that in the entire Matrix series and anything related, the ambassador AI is my favorite character.

So was it the Oracle that fought Neo the entire time, or was it a connection between all of the Smith's? As with the definite answer, I do remember her giving a definite answer that they will be seeing Neo very soon, and also the statement where she says that Neo would have liked to see the sunrise. Does that imply that he will be resurrected, or that he is occupied and is simply not present to see it? At this point I am at a loss concerning where Neo went. I don't think there will be a forth Matrix, as the entire Matrix series is called a Trilogy, but I think that there might be something kind of like the Animatrix to explain the end of the trilogy. I am starting to think that Neo simply died, that I am just thinking too deeply about it. This contradicts everything I have ever written considering where Neo went, but I think he died for everyone. After Trinity died, I think he lost his will to live. As the Oracle did say, as I have come to see, that every begining has an end, and the One is one of those things. Think about the last short flick in the Animatrix, Matricized or whatever, where some humans where living on the surface, and remaing sentinals still fought the humans. This would mean that everything did indeed repeat itself. Maybe however, this occurs prior to anything that happens in the trilogy.
What do you think?

The Oracle wasn't in control during the whole battle. She simply made Smith see a future vision and made him think that it would be his victory. Smith, not wanting to screw this up, does exactly as the vision tells him to. Maybe the Oracle was in control the whole time, but was just waiting for the right moment. It does seem like her way.
As for Matriculated, if it was meant to be applied to the matrix saga, it did happen early in the war before the first movie. Notice that there are more models of sentinels in that film, suggesting an earlier time. Also notice the peaceful nature of the humans towards the machines, also suggesting that the time in which this took place was early in the war.

hi's dead for now! but if they make another movie he'll become alive again! ;) Read Rumis post it's very intressting...

Ahh... Truth, long time no see my good friend.

First- I'd like to set the record straight: Not Everything in the Matrix has a purpose. Programs with no purpose are not deleted, they face exile OR are deleted. The perfect example is Sati- The Last Exile. She has some control over the Matrix.

Second- When Smith absorbed Neo, the Matrix "reset", meaning the function of the One must have been completed. What was the function? To end the war.

Thirdly, and what I view to be the most important: When Neo is being caried off on the barge, there is an immense glow coming from what we view as a corpse. I believe this to be that Neo is now connected (perhaps) to the Matrix or is one with the Deus Ex Machine (spike bot thingy, machine king). All of the people connected to the matrix have this glow, machines also have such a glow. This is what i believe to be extremely important.

Yah even though his physical body is gone, his mind will live on in the seventh anomaly when the architect creates a 7th matrix.

Originally posted by neomaster32592
Yah even though his physical body is gone, his mind will live on in the seventh anomaly when the architect creates a 7th matrix. maybe you are rite but i think neo is byebye

yah well he might come back in a diffrent form

I agree with peters theory... it's a good idea...but there is still a chance tht neo doesn't come bk...and as for neo only seeing the machines... well he was connected to agent smith as he was neo's opposite, so i think neo can see machines coz in a way he is connected to them through agent smith, but he can't see ppl coz they r different to machines and he isn't directly connected 2 them! In a way neo is part human part machine, well thts my theory n e how!

Originally posted by icy toast
Not Everything in the Matrix has a purpose. Programs with no purpose are not deleted, they face exile OR are deleted. The perfect example is Sati- The Last Exile. She has some control over the Matrix.

Second- When Smith absorbed Neo, the Matrix "reset", meaning the function of the One must have been completed. What was the function? To end the war.

Thirdly, and what I view to be the most important: When Neo is being caried off on the barge, there is an immense glow coming from what we view as a corpse. I believe this to be that Neo is now connected (perhaps) to the Matrix or is one with the Deus Ex Machine (spike bot thingy, machine king). All of the people connected to the matrix have this glow, machines also have such a glow. This is what i believe to be extremely important.

Okay, most things in the matrix have a purpose. That is most things except exile programs. But just because you don't have a purpose doesn't mean you don't have some power or skill. Yes, Sati is an exile, precisely because she has no purpose. She has to hide in the matrix or be deleted. But that doesn't mean that she can't have power over something. She could have all the skill in the world, but without purpose, she is useless, and in danger.

According to the Oracle, the One's function was to reset the matrix by going back to the source. This is what would stop the war. (just not in the way interpreted by Morpheus) As we saw, Smith and Neo had become two sides of the same coin, Smith had to be defeated in order to bring some sort of order to the system, which is then completely balanced by Neo's codes being taken back into the source. (the sentinels weren't called off until Neo was dead) As we saw in the movie, the matrix didn't actually reset until Neo was dead, and Deux ex Machina took his body. Then the circle was complete.

I firmly believe that Deux ex Maxchina is the source. We have heard arguments before that only programs and machines directly from the source have the gold glow (ie: Seraph). This would explain the intensity of the glow as Neo got closer to 01 and the source. Again, as the Oracle said, the path of the One ends at the source. And in Revolutions, where did Neo end up? We were also told that the matrix resets by taking the anomaly's code back into it's OS, disseminating it, and restarting the matrix. And Neo: ie the code, was taken into Deux ex Machina. Now would this not imply that the machine was in fact, the source? The 'revolution' was complete when the code was back in the source. This is what happened at the end of the movie.

jeez this matrix stuff really is interesting in my opinion they will make a fourth one in about a years time to give the actors a little break from the movies.Neo will be alive but as a program until he revives his powers.well thats what i think.ow i got this cool pic too.

Right. Apart from the fact that the Wachowski Brothers aren't doing anymore, and Keanu and Carrie-Anne have both refused to be in any more matrix films?

Neo did not "give up" on Zion or gave up to Smith but finally realized that he had to be taken over by Smith so that the machines could upload the deletion program and connect it straight to Smith.

It is true that Neo did not put all of his power into the fight as I believe he was still grieving over Trinity's death.

Also Neo is not "dead"...he was simply reconfigured as he is still "connected" into the Matrix. I remember there was a theory about Seraph being the 5th one so I believe that Neo was reconfirgured into a program in the Matrix

Fox:
I saw your super long posts, and I figured you must be knowledgable in order to talk so much.

.... I think I was wrong.

a. I don't agree with your idea that "there existed only a single One. Neo was the only true One." I don't think that idea is supported at all. The way I see it, with every reload, everything that was wrong with the system would add up in one person. He was the One. I don't think Neo's role was particularly divine, in that he's THE ONE who somehow always pops up, and frees everyone, then comes to do it again. This time it was Anderson. Next time, who knows.

Granted, the previous Ones probably couldn't do EVERYTHING that Neo could, but I don't think they were equivelent to The Kid either. They were prophesied of, and exalted by some, not because they were ordinary, but becuse they could do what no on else could.

b. I can ALMOST undestand why people would think that the call happened after Revo. I think they're wrong too. But w/e.

c. No, eveyone wasn't released from 'Neo's Matrix'. Those who WANTED to be released were. The rest stayed content in their happy world, where they didn't have to wear torn up sweaters.

d. "I think Zion is happy that the war has ended and the people of that matrix were set free, and won't try to set more people free." I'm sorry, what planet did you say you were from??

The whole idea of the resitance was to set people free from the Matrix. Not to free SOME people as you suggest!! Difference is now, they can work WITH the machines to free people, rather than against them. (After all, there's probably a huge line-up of people who want to be freed, however Zion can only handle so many at once, and it is a lengthy process.

e. "There will still be anomolies but no more Ones because the prophecy has already been fulfilled." Except with every reload there has been a new prophecy, and a new One. That hasn't changed. The Oracle doesn't need to spew out new prophecies because the war is over. However, as long as there is a Matrix, there will be flaws, and there will be an anomoly that needs to go to the source. That is the One...

f. "Yes, there are agents in the Animatrix: Matriculated, which takes place after Revolutions" I've only seen it once, but I don't understand what this idea is based on. If I remember correctly, it invovled machines making war on people. If that's the case, it either happens before Revo, or in the FAR, FAR future after the humans have started the war again. Either way, I think you're off base.
Yeah, I think the Matrix could still have agents, but what purpose would they fill? Not a big issue in my books, but Smith's infestation had nothing to do with it. Everything is made new with the reload.

g. "the ressurection of the savior in the movie obviously Neo, fits in perfectly with the whole theme, and will probably happen one way or another if there is a fourth film."
Let's pray that there isn't.
However, I think their world religion appeal would probably combine a messianic ressurection with a reborn next life, kinda thing. Their history would seem to point more to 'ressureted in the new Matrix in a new life' kinda thing. So, everything is reloaded as normal. IMHO

h. Yeah, you're right about the Oracle/Smith thing. The eyes of the Oracle are something that cannot be taken, only given. She did have a moment of influence, as shown when she called him Neo.

On my third viewing, during the credits, a guy behind me realized that it was the Oracle laying in the crater. He realized (out loud, sadly) that Neo was just a construct of the Oracle, and she was doing the entire thing. I cringed inwardly.

I'm sure the guy is on the site here somewhere, and probably has an entire following who agrees with him. (They also profess that Peresphone is the 'Mother of the Matrix') Wouldn't surprise me in the least...

i. "01 is the name of the first machine city that was destroyed" (last one. I'm getting tired of this...)
I'm not an Animatrix fan, but I know that this is wrong. I've got the 2nd Ren on my hard drive, and Zero1 was built after the initial onslaught against the robots. It bloomed in the 'Cradle of Life' and there is NO mention to it being detroyed. In fact, I thought Machine City rather resembled the overhead shots that we saw of the early Zero1.

I'm sorry if I came across a little harsh. I think I'm just tired of reading all these opinions that seem so educated, yet are based on totally bupkis. I don't think I've seen the movie any more than the next devoted fan, so I don't understand where some of these ideas come from, outside of a seperate desire to make two medicore movies into something amazingly deep.

Whatever. I think you're totally entitled to your ideas and opinions. I reserve the right to think you're on crack, and need a good beating, but I'll extend that same privildge to everyone else, 'cuz I don't got it all together either!

Al

Fox:
I saw your super long posts, and I figured you must be knowledgable in order to talk so much.

.... I think I was wrong.
You think? If you haven't already formed an opinion, that's just gonna make anything negative you say twice as bad.

I don't think Neo's role was particularly divine, in that he's THE ONE who somehow always pops up, and frees everyone, then comes to do it again.
In the first film the prophecy says the One would end the war, which Neo did. Unless there's another war, I don't see any more ones! Neo's name is an acronym of One! How obvious does it have to be? And in the second film, the Oracle(who is never wrong) clearly states that Neo is the One. There is a big difference between the One and regular anomalies.

No, eveyone wasn't released from 'Neo's Matrix'. Those who WANTED to be released were. The rest stayed content in
their happy world, where they didn't have to wear torn up sweaters.
It says at the end of the third film that all were freed from that matrix.

Except with every reload there has been a new prophecy, and a new One. That hasn't changed. The Oracle doesn't need to spew out new prophecies because the war is over. However, as long as there is a Matrix, there will be flaws, and there will be an anomoly that needs to go to the source. That is the One...
Have you witnessed all 7 reloads? No. No one has, no one will. Where the hell are you getting this? Are you just spewing out random stuff? There has been only one prophecy that has existed since the first matrix. Yes, there will be more anomalies, but I doubt they would need to(or make it to) the source. That is not the One, those are anomalies! Okay, the title of One was for the person who would end the war and all that. That was Neo. If there is another prophecy in the future I suspect the hero won't use the same title.

On my third viewing, during the credits, a guy behind me realized that it was the Oracle laying in the crater. He realized (out loud, sadly) that Neo was just a construct of the Oracle, and she was doing the entire thing. I cringed inwardly.
I'm sure the guy is on the site here somewhere, and probably has an entire following who agrees with him. (They also profess that Peresphone is the 'Mother of the Matrix') Wouldn't surprise me in the least...
Yes, the Oracle was in the crater. Because she was possesed by Smith, not Neo! Smith took over her body(or so it seemed), then the Oracle was in control at the end, then Smith was destroyed and the Oracle's body restored. Hence her lying in the crater. Oh, but I wouldn't want to doubt the wise words of TheGuyBehindYouWhoShoutedOutSomething.

"01 is the name of the first machine city that was destroyed" (last one. I'm getting tired of this...)
I'm not an Animatrix fan, but I know that this is wrong. I've got the 2nd Ren on my hard drive, and Zero1 was built after the initial onslaught against the robots. It bloomed in the 'Cradle of Life' and there is NO mention to it being detroyed. In fact, I thought Machine City rather resembled the overhead shots that we saw of the early Zero1.
You're getting tired? Wow, you seemed so full of energy, stupidity, and rudeness at the start! You know it's wrong? You know nothing. Yes, there was mention. Like when it was destroyed, which started the big battle afterwards. 01 was built in what is now Saudi Arabia. The Machine City is in America. And unless you're blind and dumb(oh, you are) 01 in no way resembles the Machine City.

I'm sorry if I came across a little harsh.
Here you almost seem to make up for it all...
I think I'm just tired of reading all these opinions that seem so educated, yet are based on totally bupkis.
But then I read on and it gets worse than if you never apologized. The opinions(most of them) are educated. The matrix saga is full of gaps that you can fill in with just about anything, logical or otherwise. At least they're based on either logic or philosophy. They're not total bupkis. But you are. I don't mean to sound like my post is flawless, but it was pretty educated and logical. Unlike your replies, which are based on minimal understanding of the matrix saga logically or philosophically.

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To conclude, _zith, don't reply anymore if you're gonna act the way you did here. The whole mood of your reply just screams you're an uneducated jackass.
Yes, this reply is rude also, but I'm just making things even. That's called karma. You're an ass to me, I'm gonna be an ass to you.

Just watch Revolutions, 3 or 4 times, you'll understand it after that.

Well despite my username and the fact that i cried because i wanted him to be alive, i think he is dead. If you noticed (which i'm sure you all did) at the end of M3 after smith copied himself in neo, "neo" exploded. at first i didn't see that. When i watched it the other day, i realized it. Later on in the movie you see the oracle laying on the ground where the smith that copied her was but no neo anywhere. I'm not sure why i didnt notice it when i saw it in theaters twice (once in IMAX) but i did this last time. Maybe i was just to worried about him. lol maybe if they were to ever make another movie, he would be a program or something to that effect. It's always a possiblity. after all the oracle suspects we will see him again...

sry for this double post.....

Why would the oracle somewhat lie to sati? I mean she asked "do you think we will ever see him again" (not exact) and she says "i suspect so...". Since she is the oracle and sees the future, i think she sees something with him wether hes a program or a human. I mean she also says it with a confident smile. O and the little girl somehow though i'm not sure how, make the sunrise for neo and the oracle seems sure that he somehow can see it. Once again, if she didnt see a trace of him in the future, i dont think she would lie to sati. Well thats just another opinion. My above post said i thought he was dead. well i meant that as his body may be dead but i think he somehow will be a type of program...

Originally posted by wowpeter
3) When "the one" (ie: Neo) fails, the Matrix will restart and everything will start all over again.



Neo did not fail, because he did accomplish the fact to save the people of zion, which as the ultimate purpose of the one