Philosophy on AI.

Hey, i havent been on this site in a while because everytime i go on i cant get on my name for some reason. now i am and im taking advantage of that time-

My name is mike and im 15 years old.

I just bought a book called "The Matrix and Philosophy"


ok anyways. i was reading it. and it explains how maybe we arent sitting in this chair, typing away at our computers. maybe a higher power is controlling everything and all of the information we intercept using our senses is just one big fascade.

many people should really think about this. do we really know for sure about anything?

»Originally posted by someone else who slipped my mind for the time being, I think.. therefore I am. But therefore.. am I just a thought? It makes you think«

i've also been thinkin that, i dont yet have that book because i didn't know about it, but now i do, i'm gonna have to get it...

when sleeping does anyone ever dream about being in a roller-coaster and actually feel like you're falling an 80 foot drop? and yes I do think that alot, I always wonder if I am really awake or sleeping. I am not phyco but I'll tell you something I sometimes wonder since I feel like it...

I sometimes wonder if I am really awake or if I am sleeping and people are observing my very action.. do you think it could be? typing this is weird cause it makes you feel like you're really not talking to anyone, but whatever

Originally posted by Freedom_Fighter
when sleeping does anyone ever dream about being in a roller-coaster and actually feel like you're falling an 80 foot drop? and yes I do think that alot, I always wonder if I am really awake or sleeping. I am not phyco but I'll tell you something I sometimes wonder since I feel like it...

I sometimes wonder if I am really awake or if I am sleeping and people are observing my very action.. do you think it could be? typing this is weird cause it makes you feel like you're really not talking to anyone, but whatever

»That sounds insightful.. just gimme a moment to process the information«

»I havent dreamed and actually remembered it in like 5 years.. so its kind of hard for me to say. I dont think Ive been on a roller coaster before.. but there were alot of haunted houses for some reason. And falling off cliffs into the sea. And yes.. I have to admit that these dreams do seem so real.. that I wake up the next morning and find myself asking 'What did I do yesterday?' because I mix up what I actually did with what happened in the dream. Ok.. Im going to stop before I confuse myself enough until spontaneous combustion«

for some reason i have lots of dreams of falling but i never hit anything i slow down halfway down then reverse direction then head back up then theres something like a flash or explosion and thats usually all i remember and when i do i think about it for a while but i always forget eventually im left knowing that i did remember but i dont know what it is

This stuff is 300 years old: a filosopher once had a dream about being a butterfly. Than he woke up and he was a human. But how did he know he is actually not a butterfly dreaming that he is a human?

I find these kind of "The Matrix excist" uninteresting. It has been debated many times. In the Animatrix someone jumps off a school building to prove the world isn't real. Perhaps you should try..

It's funny that you mention that because I think about that all the time. I always wonder whether or not someone is seeing everything I see and watching my every move. Not like some guy stalking me, but like something in my head or linked up with my head. It's kind of eerie hearing some one else say the same thing.

About that whole dream thing though I just don't know. I mean I've never thought that my dreams feel more real than "real" life. I've heard many theories on dreams for example that we just need some down time to clear our heads and that they are affected by what is going on in our lives at the moment. I know for a fact that they are manipulated by what is happening in our day to day lives because I always have dreams about school and I see other people in my dreams. Maybe dreams are just a glimpse into a parallel universe. I'd imagine that we get glimpses of different parallel universes and that is why for example in some dreams you can fly, but in others you feel like you wiegh 400 lbs. Maybe some universes are plagued by monsters and demons that make up you night mares and others are filled with serenity and beautiful landscapes that make up pleasant dreams.

Sorry I don't remember what the original post was, but there is my insite on dreams and their origins.

i believe that dreams can carry information about future events which are yet to come, this is my theory on deja vu. i have had dreams of falling, but never see my self land, everytime i am about to land i wake up..

once i did dream i was in a fight and the other guy scratched me across the chest, and i woke up and had stratch marks on my chest :| that was really odd... my friend is into energies and dreams and that sorta thing and he said i am escaping death for if the other person in my dream would have killed me i would have died..

which is similar to in the matrix.. if they die in the matrix they die in the real world.. scientists believe that if you were to do in a dream you would really die because your mind makes it real. so if you were falling and saw yourself hit the ground you would die!!

hmm...*ponders*

Originally posted by phaz0r
i believe that dreams can carry information about future events which are yet to come, this is my theory on deja vu. i have had dreams of falling, but never see my self land, everytime i am about to land i wake up..

once i did dream i was in a fight and the other guy scratched me across the chest, and i woke up and had stratch marks on my chest :| that was really odd... my friend is into energies and dreams and that sorta thing and he said i am escaping death for if the other person in my dream would have killed me i would have died..

which is similar to in the matrix.. if they die in the matrix they die in the real world.. scientists believe that if you were to do in a dream you would really die because your mind makes it real. so if you were falling and saw yourself hit the ground you would die!!

hmm...*ponders*

if you saw yourself falling, would you want to see ur self die?
if you saw yourself flotating, would you want to see ur self fly?

My theory on all of that stuff where something happens in your dream and there is evidence of it when you wake up is that you probably scratched yourself on accident while you were sleeping. Once in my dream I was up to bat in a baseball game and the pitcher hit me in the left knee with the ball and it was tight when I woke up and for a while afterwards. That can easily be explained by the fact that I probably twisted my knee in a strange position while I was sleeping and my mind made up a story to try to explain it. (FYI: I use to play baseball)

So really what I'm trying to say is that I don't really think that our dreams dictate our injuries, but our injuries dictate our dreams.

i have had dreams of falling AND hitting the ground, and as far as i know i'm still in the same dimension as you guys, so i guess nothing's wrong

no really, i also am into dream-explanation, but i believe we'll never know the truth

i've had several dreams where (i think) i'm lying awake in my bed, and the next moment, i'm floating through the house ... (and my door is not wide enough to let my bed pass...) makes me think ..
how can my mind create these "flaws"?
because it could be possible in another world ... ?

You these are some interesting thoughts, but like HomoUniversalis said, this stuff is thousands of years old, but that doesn't make it any less interesting. I for one have had a number of strange dreams.

I've never been on a roller coaster to comment on that, but I have had dreams that were so real I had to convince myself that I was sleeping when they happen. I mean how do I know I'm not dreaming now? Couldn't it be possible that this isn't real? Isn't it possible that I don't exist at all and that I'm just some construct from someone else's dream?

Who really knows? If you're interested check out my thread "Where do we really exist?" It deals a lot with these questions.

I have had these feelings since I was very young. Am I real, is someone really me and watching everything through my eyes and controlling me? Etcetera. But I have also had that dream, Phaz0r. It is recurring. When I was younger, like 10, while I would fall asleep during a tv show, I would fall and wake up right before I hit the ground, and then I would curse myself for having fallen asleep during my tv show and missing the end. But now, over ten years later, I still fall in my dreams, the difference is, I know I am dreaming. I tell myself, "this is a dream, so you can stop yourself from falling" and I can let go a little, but I can't stop myself from falling. I still fall, I just know that I'm not going to die. Why am I still having this dream? I don't know.

This might be a little off topic, but I'm cursious to see if anyone else has these experiences too.

Once I had a dream when I was like 12 about playing with this little fire truck and for some reason just having a blast even though in my conscieus life I hold no interest in little toy fire trucks. Well anyways when I awoke I had this irresistable feeling that I had to have that fire truck. This yurning usually lasts for a couple days and when it finally wears off I realize that I don't like fire trucks at all and never have, but for some reason I really wanted it. This dream has reaccured about two times, one with another object I don't remember and once with a girl that I just couldn't forget.

It may sound kind of wierd and I'm sure there is some kind of psycological reason these occur, but I was just wondering if anyone else has had dreams like these.

Furious B, yes, I have had that dream. I dreamt of a Barbie Mansion when I was 8 and woke up very upset that I didn't have one. I have dreamed about toys and during the process of coming awake, have tried to bring those objects from the dream into the real world, and in my delirious state I actually thought I could transfer them and take them with me. It was very sad when I was fully awake and realized there was absolutely no way to do this.

I recently saw an ex boyfriend while waiting in my car and pretended not to see him, I think he did the same. But afterwards, I dreamt about him for three nights in a row, where we were back in the relationship with each other, and in the dream I really wanted to be with him. But when I would wake up I though OH GOD NO. I don't want that, why did I in the dream? Why do we want different things in the dreams we have than we do in the real world. Maybe it's just aspects of those things that we want, not the actual things themselves.

Like your firetruck, maybe it was symbolic of something you looked foward to when you were very young and now is in the form of a firetruck to show you that you want something.

That's very interesting. I knew other people had these dreams also ( I've never been told, but assumed it), but I wasn't expecting such a quick reply.

All I know is that these dreams are great when you're in them and when you wake up you just can stand it. I would actually get pretty sad for a while. It's crazy what our minds can do when left to themselves. By that I mean when we are sleeping we don't really have any conscious control over our thoughts. Thanks for replying.

You know I've had those dreams before as well. They're weird as ****. I once had a dream about this guy that I couldn't stand, but in the dream we were all over each other. When I woke up I was all paranoid because it took me a minute to realize that it wasn't real.

Another time I had a dream about my stepdad getting shot and my brother driving his truck into a ditch (the same dream). I remember trying to go back in time in my dream and find my brother and father before the accidents and trying to bring them back to reality unharmed.

It was really strange. Somehow I was able to bend time and find them, but I couldn't bring them back. They wouldn't come through the wall of my dream. In the dream I couldn't understand. I thought I was just bending time again and taking thme to the future, but it was really the veil between my dream consciousness and waking consciousness.

Anyway, I have thought a lot about what that means. Anyone with any ideas out there?

Originally posted by Furious B
My theory on all of that stuff where something happens in your dream and there is evidence of it when you wake up is that you probably scratched yourself on accident while you were sleeping. Once in my dream I was up to bat in a baseball game and the pitcher hit me in the left knee with the ball and it was tight when I woke up and for a while afterwards. That can easily be explained by the fact that I probably twisted my knee in a strange position while I was sleeping and my mind made up a story to try to explain it. (FYI: I use to play baseball)

So really what I'm trying to say is that I don't really think that our dreams dictate our injuries, but our injuries dictate our dreams.

yeah makes sense i guess, thats what i thought, i was just a bit freaked out about it, never happened before and seemed really odd!!

dreams can also do odd things to your 'performance' in everyday life, i compete as part of a national squad for shukokai karate, and i once had a dream that i was under some kind of intense training, it was like gravity and heat etc had been amplified, and the air was thicker... it felt like i couldn't breath, but when i woke i was pouring of sweat!
when i went to training the following night, my speed and reactions had increased significantly, and my training partners also commented on this... very odd!! anyone have any idea's on this?

i think our minds are the most complicated, uncomprehinsible things anywhere, ever! i dont think we will ever fully understand its depths.. thats why we may not understand our dreams

Maybe if you were really stressed out about it then when you went to sleep your mind kind of played on that. That would explain the dream, but not how it increased your speed and reactions. I often have dreams about things that I'm stressed out about. Like sometimes I'll have dreams that I'm late to class, which isn't a big deal, but in my dream it feels like I'm going to die.

Maybe your mind was just preparing you for what it knew was coming. I don't really know how to elaborate any more than that, sorry.

I hate those dreams where someone you love dies, and you wake up thinking that they did until you realize it was just a dream.

After I had given birth to my son in February of 2002 I kept having the strangest dreams. Once, I dreamt that I had just had him, and that when you give birth, you have two babies, always. One baby is the live one, and the other was never alive, it is a throwaway. But in the dream, even though the doctors were trying to throw the other baby away, I just couldn't let them. I kept saying, "Don't throw him away, he might be alive, he just needs someone to love him and he will be alive...". That's one of the worst dreams I have ever had.

ever have one of those dreams where you can do something like fly or something and it feels so real that when you wake up you think it happened, i had around 5 of these sureal dreams a few years ago in the dream im flying not just effortlessly floating but i actuallly had to move my arms actually it was really hard ,like climbing up a ladder and not using your legs, anyway when i woke up that morning the dream felt so real that i thought it actually happened so i tried it and of course i didnt fly, and kinda like valasher when i realised it was just a dream i was kinda mad that i really couldnt fly, so i tried going back to sleep to start dreaming again but by then i was wide awake from flapping my arms lol.

I no longer remember any dreams from the past few years, or are experience them. The last dream I remember is standing, unable to move in front of a huge burning building, with one large balcony. on which a ghostly white figure stood, not running away from the flames, just standing there being consumed by them.

I don't believe in dreams forthtelling the future though. Unless the building on the other side of the street erupts in flames

[walks towards the window]

nope, no fire..

That seems to be the case with a lot of people i talk to now about dreams its like the older you get the less dreams you have or least you dont remember them, like when i was younger i used to have lots of dreams about space and weird formations in the sky and i still remember one particullarly disturbing one with a ufo in it landing in my uncles crop field then that next week supposedly crop circles were there, but now about the only time i remember a dream is when i sleep really late on saturdays, one thing that is coming back though is this constant feeling of deja vu and sometimes it happens to often to discard as simply similar circumstances to another day it seems very real now and its really freaky when you get the same deja vu more than once or twice, like this one particuallr one where this girl spills her coffe then goes to the bathroom to gety some paper towel but i swear that happened like 3 times maybe deja vu is your brain trying to unlock some hidden future predicting skill but you cant control it.

Yeah, I guess it has something to do with a less chaotic mind. I have a clear mind, and that's very handy. I am not thinking anything at all right now, except the words I type. I'm not thinking about sex school, or anything similar... It's all about calming the mind...

I guess its that inner peace that monks talk about finding the calm within can unlock many doors or something like that