How did Cypher gt in?

Jesus....what a mind job
Ok how did Cypher get back into the matrix to talk to agent Smith when you need someone to plug you in.?

And who was on rota that night, when he was in, they always have someone monitering the Matrix. It's been driving me mad for years.

I really need some input with this one cause I can handle a few loose ends in a film but this is a big one.

Who was the mysterious person???

Well either, its just one of those loose ends, that don't make sense. Because the people who made it didn't think it out properly, or Cyphor had help.

Let's review. *grin*

So directy before the dinner scene, was the scene with Neo and Cyphor drinking the moonshine and talking about Neo, being the one. Then there is the Dinner scene with Smith and Cyphor. Then the dinner scene on board Neb.

Lets go through who is in that scene. Neo, Tank, Apoc, Mouse, Doozer, Switch. And Morpheus enters at the end of the scene.

So the only people not there the whole time. Is, Cyphor, Morphues and Trinity.

Only thing i can think of. Is the Orical tells you what you need to hear, in order for the Prophecy to be met. Just say Cyphor saw the Orical, and was told he would betray Morpheus and deliver him to the machines. Well then he would go along and try doing that.

Now who believe's in Neo so much that he would give up eveerything for him including his own life, dozer's life, switch, apoc ect. Morpheus, what if Morpeus knew that he had to be captured in order for Neo to walk the path? And helped Cyphor? *shrug*

I know its reaching, but it is one why of tying it up.

That is one helluva strange theory. Believable and entirely possible, but strange nonetheless.

Well its not really a theory. I just saw the thread, thought about it and was trying to offer some kind of explanation.

It would be a bit of a conspiracy on board the Neb, if it was true though.

Logically you could say Cypher set up a program to auto-dial a phone. Then plugged himself inside the matrix, met with Smith, answered his phone via the auto-dial program, and viola! Back home.

He was quite the hacker if you remember, im sure he had himself covered. Though I don't know what he'd of done if someone walked in on him while he was plugged in, and started looking at what he was doing.

::shrugs::

Logical is no fun. You have to come up with something stupid and perplexing. Lol

He'd have to have bloody long arms to plug himself in. I don't get why he chucked his phone in the bin when they took Neo to see the oracle anyway. Explain please.

That was so Smith and his gang of Army men knew their location. Since Cypher was helping Smith, he left the cell phone so he would know where they were at the time.

From what i figured. He dailed a number as he droped it. I think the phone was being traced so that the Agents new where they were.

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So they could make the chenges to the Matrix ect. Before moving in. Thats one thing that was missed in M2. Changes being made to the Matrix. It was mad in M1 when mouse went to open the window and it was bricked up. MADNESS!

Morpheus didn't help him because Cypher said to him (well, to his comatose body anyway) "Betcha didn't see this one coming!". If Morpheus had known about it all and helped him, he WOULD have seen it coming.

I'm thinking Cypher could have set up the phones himself and as far as plugging himself in; "Hey Neo, before you go could you give me a hand real quick?" Neo at this point still didn't know jack and couldn't read the code on the screen so he wouldn't have been able to see what was going on inside. All he had to do was just stick the plug in his head.

yes, this was posted before - but I think it's pretty obvious that Cypher programmed himself in and then had a programmed way out.

Remember when Neo stumbled onto him at the terminals in the middle of the night? That infers that Cypher had the night shift. Cypher acted all guilty and scared, turned off the monitors right away. Maybe he even gave Neo the 'gin bottle' to help Neo sleep.

He was planning it or about to do it, I think.
-WC-

Ok some good theories coming out here but 1.

Who was monitoring the matrix terminal while he was in there? They wouldn't have put Neo on because he didn't know what the hell he was looking at.

Maybee it was tank or dozer?

First off, top calaber bad guys dont need an explenation for there evil deeds.... its always done behind the audiences back. All we need to know is that Cypher had the night shift and only no good dirty backstabbing swindlers take the night shift. That is what makes Cypher so great. What matters is he took out the usless characters all to easy! lol





PS- the best part is when Cypher took Switch's plug and "Switched her off!" cause she's the worst person next to tank! lmao :p

perhaps the agents(who control the matrix)made a falso prgram 2 hide cypher
u understand?

My vote goes to LOOSE END.


There's certainly no shortage of those in RELOADED.

why would he have needed covering?
the machines NEED HIM, they wouldnt track him down and kill him in the matrix cuz they wanted some info.
oooooo no, the real question is, how were they at broadcast depth? morpheus says it "Take us up to broadcast depth" implying that they were not at broadcast depth. mmmmmm?

I think there are possibilites;
1. He created a program to bring him out.
2. He got help from another person.
3. He never went into the Matrix, he created an Avatar of himself linked to the main computer on the ship.
4. It's a glitch in the script.

Well I suppose every movie has to have something that doesn't make sence. Just shy of perfection, or is it?

I think Cypher was cool and that he made some computer image program of himself and used it to communicate with the agents. Because if he really went in they could have killed him then and there or threatened him for the information. Thus a computer image would have protected him form this.

thank you guys (except NEOsporin who has always posted valuable insights until he started bagging out switch) for your take on it. I ecspecially love the theory that he or the agents made a program of him.






:p

I read online yesterday on a gossip page that in M3, among other things, Trinity may or may not be revealed as an agent. If he did have help that would certainly be a twist in the plot.

I know this has nothing to do with the question in hand but its got the same sort of theme.
After mouse has died in m1, the surviving members run up the stairs into a bathroom and into the walls, right? now....they start to crawl down. A enemy troop member gos into the same room after following them when cypher sneezes and they get caught. Now what I dont understand is how after crawling down for so long, how come morpheous is still above the hole he crawled through? (high enough to head butt his way through and jump on the agent). The only explanation I can get is that it is a different room, lower down, which is exactly the same, with the same hole and everything. could you please explain......Thanks.

It's a hotel - all the bathrooms are the same...

Don't try to read so much into the little things. That's not what it's all about.

Originally posted by itcouldhappen
It's a hotel - all the bathrooms are the same...

Don't try to read so much into the little things. That's not what it's all about.

Good point but I agree, also he stayed further up whilst they kept moving so he could protect Neo, so all those other threads quoting that Mrpheous is a Judas is wrong about him




F.

I hate you all!!! I loved M1 and now I have all these niggling little errors in mind its just not the same!!!! :'(

first, about morpheus being on top - very easy: they needed to get inside the wall very quickly rite? and since it's a pretty small hole, they'd go in it one at a time rite? so say switch goes in first, she starts moving down, as she is doing that, morpheus goes in, and starts moving up, then switch is a bit down, so apoc goes in and down, etc. this saves time, no?

ok, now that the easy one is out of the way, now it's time to address the only real bug in the original movie lol. now, i still feel that the avatar theory is the best and easiest theory... except for one flaw... why would cypher say "when i eat this steak, i know it's not real... but it tastes good..."??? if he wasn't in it himself, he wouldn't be tasting anything! so, without further ado, is my Mouse theory! YES I said MOUSE! lol i think he's the co-conspirator. read a post i placed in another forum a lil while ago:

<<<I agree that it is possible that he could've jacked himself in, risked doing it at night when everyone else is sleeping and hoping that no one woke up for a midnite run to the kitchen or bathroom, set it up so the hardline rang at a certain designated time and unplugged himself without any assistance. The only thing that bothered me with that theory is, isn't it necessary to be at "broadcasting depth" in order to hack into the matrix? Following logic, this would mean that normally they wouldn't be at broadcasting depth (remember when they were eating
"snot" and morpheus comes in and tells dozer to bring the ship up to broadcasting depth, neo is going to go see her?).

So, this only leads me to the conclusion that it had to be at least two people coordinating the treason. Then one person could bring the ship up to broadcasting depth and keep an eye out over the monitors, while the other one goes into the matrix and works out the deal. Who do I think the co-conspirator was??? MOUSE! ;). Think about it... he's always quiet and to himself and lurking around in the background. Nobody suspects him. My second point: the conversation during dinner. What does he talk about? How the machines figure out what tastes like what? How he's never had tasty wheat. Seems like he's a little too impressed with the machine's capabilities to program the Matrix. My third point: When he keeps going on and on, Apoc and Switch tell him to shut up and diss him left and right. I'm sure he wouldn't mind seeing them de-jacked! Last point: the woman in the red dress... seems like Mouse also had a female obsession that he would never attain in the real world, much like our friend Cypher(who might have had his own "woman in the black leather spandex program" lol)...

All of this convinces me that Mouse would have preferred living in the Matrix than the real world. Then again, it's just a theory.
Unfortunately for Mouse, he was back-stabbed once he was no longer needed and killed, just to make things look good until cypher was able to get back to the ship alone...the rest is history.>>>

I would expect them to sleep where they do could an emergency broadcast to the Matrix if need be.

maybe i'm the only one, but the wachowski brothers, just as any and every single movie, arent perfect, so i firmly believe this is either something that was explained more fully but left out on the editing room floor (probably because it's not important enough to waste screen time with), or they just didnt think about it as much as us matrix nerds and made a mistake

which ever way you slice it, who cares...theres no conspiracy that its a part of we had to see motivation for cypher's betrayal, and thats what we got

I just read this & morpheus could not of helped him because
during the dinner scene it was night with Cypher & Smith, the scene after that was when everyone was eating (Breakfast that is) see when morpheus entered and said i taking Neo to see her
it was daytime not night time.....

Cypher's meeting with agent Smith has been bugging me too. I am going to go along with the idea that it is just an unexplainable event in the movie. What makes it unexplainable for me is that being at broadcast depth is a risk. When there is a risk then the crew is on alert. Hard for Cypher to be sneaky.

quote:<<<I agree that it is possible that he could've jacked himself in, risked doing it at night when everyone else is sleeping and hoping that no one woke up for a midnite run to the kitchen or bathroom, set it up so the hardline rang at a certain designated time and unplugged himself without any assistance. The only thing that bothered me with that theory is, isn't it necessary to be at "broadcasting depth" in order to hack into the matrix? Following logic, this would mean that normally they wouldn't be at broadcasting depth (remember when they were eating
"snot" and morpheus comes in and tells dozer to bring the ship up to broadcasting depth, neo is going to go see her?).

still gotta have long bloody arms hun lol

heyyy... i spet a lot of time coming up with my theory(well, not coming up with it, but writing it all down lol)!!!! doesn't anyone agree/disagree with it? at least give an opinion! i still think Mouse helped Cypher...

Originally posted by thinkdabub
Well either, its just one of those loose ends, that don't make sense. Because the people who made it didn't think it out properly, or Cyphor had help.

Let's review. *grin*

So directy before the dinner scene, was the scene with Neo and Cyphor drinking the moonshine and talking about Neo, being the one. Then there is the Dinner scene with Smith and Cyphor. Then the dinner scene on board Neb.

Lets go through who is in that scene. Neo, Tank, Apoc, Mouse, Doozer, Switch. And Morpheus enters at the end of the scene.

So the only people not there the whole time. Is, Cyphor, Morphues and Trinity.

Only thing i can think of. Is the Orical tells you what you need to hear, in order for the Prophecy to be met. Just say Cyphor saw the Orical, and was told he would betray Morpheus and deliver him to the machines. Well then he would go along and try doing that.

Now who believe's in Neo so much that he would give up eveerything for him including his own life, dozer's life, switch, apoc ect. Morpheus, what if Morpeus knew that he had to be captured in order for Neo to walk the path? And helped Cyphor? *shrug*

I know its reaching, but it is one why of tying it up.

I forgot because I am so busy at the mo to answer your first qoute. sorry hun, and thanks for your input. First thing Cypher and the Oracle, now he asks Trin if she really believes that he is the one. Cypher doubts it right to his sorry end. So i think that he really doesnt believe he is the one even though some part of him wanted to believe it just before he dies.

Originally posted by DarkStar
I hate you all!!! I loved M1 and now I have all these niggling little errors in mind its just not the same!!!! :'(


LMAO rolling all over the floor in spasms.

I don't think the Oracle said specifically to Cypher: "You will betray humanity/Neb/Morpheus etc". If she would say something like that, wouldn't Cypher try to avoid that destiny at any cost? Just like when the Oracle tells Neo he is not the One, Neo starts to act like he indeed is some other guy.
Besides this, Cypher has been in the real world for 9 years, if I'm right? And I think he met the Oracle some time ago, if this is the case. And he surely hates Morpheus. He doesn't even say he's sorry or anything else...

What I do think is that Cypher indeed made some kind of avatar inside the matrix, with the help of the agents (somehow?). Notice that when Neo "bejesuses" Cypher, Cypher is looking at the Matrix. I think that humans can always see the Matrix, whenever they wish, but they can not enter the Matrix until they are at broadcast level. I do not know if they can interact with their avatar anywhere, but it seems they can, because Cypher wouldn't know how to answer Smith's questions if he wasn't comunicating with him.

Another, possibility (well, I've been thinking on this actually), is that Cypher did access the Matrix in the past. I mean that when we see the scene in the restaurant, that has already happened. You could say that it was a kind of "flashback" of what Cypher did. Maybe he is sitting and trying to figure out a plan on how to escape from the Matrix and killing the Neb's crew.

Im just a battery?!!?

AHHHHH omg no

Originally posted by Virus_X
I don't think the Oracle said specifically to Cypher: "You will betray humanity/Neb/Morpheus etc". If she would say something like that, wouldn't Cypher try to avoid that destiny at any cost? Just like when the Oracle tells Neo he is not the One, Neo starts to act like he indeed is some other guy.
Besides this, Cypher has been in the real world for 9 years, if I'm right? And I think he met the Oracle some time ago, if this is the case. And he surely hates Morpheus. He doesn't even say he's sorry or anything else...

What I do think is that Cypher indeed made some kind of avatar inside the matrix, with the help of the agents (somehow?). Notice that when Neo "bejesuses" Cypher, Cypher is looking at the Matrix. I think that humans can always see the Matrix, whenever they wish, but they can not enter the Matrix until they are at broadcast level. I do not know if they can interact with their avatar anywhere, but it seems they can, because Cypher wouldn't know how to answer Smith's questions if he wasn't comunicating with him.

Another, possibility (well, I've been thinking on this actually), is that Cypher did access the Matrix in the past. I mean that when we see the scene in the restaurant, that has already happened. You could say that it was a kind of "flashback" of what Cypher did. Maybe he is sitting and trying to figure out a plan on how to escape from the Matrix and killing the Neb's crew.

I love your take on how Cypher actually has had some experience with accessing the matrix in the past. Interesting.
That means that with the help of the agents and his expertise in making his own alogorythmne he got in without anyone noticing.
Thank you very much, big kiss.

All of you guys are giving me a lot of things to think about. personaly i think im leaning to the theory of mouse helping out cyphor. but than again they are way ahead in the future. so i guess one could speculate that cyphor had a a type of virtual reality program or a sub-matrix type of program that would let him experience all the things of the real matrix. just a thought.

Originally posted by UltimateTrinity
I love your take on how Cypher actually has had some experience with accessing the matrix in the past. Interesting.
That means that with the help of the agents and his expertise in making his own alogorythmne he got in without anyone noticing.
Thank you very much, big kiss.
Thanx!

personaly i think im leaning to the theory of mouse helping out cyphor.
No. I don't think Mouse, nor anyone else on the Nebudachnezzar helped Cypher. Interesting enough, we do not know anything about the past of the Neb, or if Morpheus had a different crew before the present (first Matrix movie). What if someone else helped Cypher before Neo came?

Besides, if how Cypher got into the Matrix by himself is bugging you (well, me as well :P ), then this will bug you even more:
How did Cypher, in the first place, get in contact with an agent?

Or, try this one:

Why is it that agent Smith is in the agent-training program?

First off to ask a question of my own. Whenever someone is plugged into the matrix their vital signs become connected to the matrix. I believe this corrolation is signigicant in the conspiracy theory. It is similar to a set of speakers when you plug them into the sound system. First you plug in the speakers. THEN you turn the sound system on. Otherwise it may be dangerous for the speakers or sound system. Likewise, notice that everytime someone is plugged into the matrix, they are first plugged in. THEN AND ONLY THEN is the button pushed to "turn them on" in the matrix. Then when they are unplugged they answer the phone call then someone presses the "release" button which wakes them up. Get what I'm saying? Someone HAD to be there to release Cypher from the matrix. Unless he had it timed to a Q. That however, is absurd. There had to be a conspiracy. Trinity being bad sounds like the perfect twist. It's too convenient that she fell in love with Neo, He fell in love with her. True it might have been all laid out in their programming since Neo is the final Anomaly. I believe Trinity will have a major role to play in the future movie. I believe Trinity is a plant into the subversion in order to discover and set to light any unforeseen anomalitical reactions by those, the "Free people."

Also I have something else bothering me. Why are there only three agents deployed at any one given time? Once Smith was "destroyed" and set free another agent program was obviously created. And did you notice that the other agents were actually surprised to see Smith? This shows they have memory and emotional reactions. This also causes you to wonder if Smith became an unforeseen Anomaly himself. This would deffinately make him a key figure in the final movie. But to get back to my original question, why the significance of three? 3 agents, Morpheus, Trinity, and Neo. 3 captains at the end of M:R. 3 objectives also at the end of M:R. There are more which I will neglect to show here but three is bound to be a significant number.

Wasn't three a biblical holy number? Just like seven?

Originally posted by thanosied
heyyy... i spet a lot of time coming up with my theory(well, not coming up with it, but writing it all down lol)!!!! doesn't anyone agree/disagree with it? at least give an opinion! i still think Mouse helped Cypher...

sorry hun, thank you for your post but I still believe that he created his own algorythme to get it.

Originally posted by Tantalum
First off to ask a question of my own. Whenever someone is plugged into the matrix their vital signs become connected to the matrix. I believe this corrolation is signigicant in the conspiracy theory. It is similar to a set of speakers when you plug them into the sound system. First you plug in the speakers. THEN you turn the sound system on. Otherwise it may be dangerous for the speakers or sound system. Likewise, notice that everytime someone is plugged into the matrix, they are first plugged in. THEN AND ONLY THEN is the button pushed to "turn them on" in the matrix. Then when they are unplugged they answer the phone call then someone presses the "release" button which wakes them up. Get what I'm saying? Someone HAD to be there to release Cypher from the matrix. Unless he had it timed to a Q. That however, is absurd. There had to be a conspiracy. Trinity being bad sounds like the perfect twist. It's too convenient that she fell in love with Neo, He fell in love with her. True it might have been all laid out in their programming since Neo is the final Anomaly. I believe Trinity will have a major role to play in the future movie. I believe Trinity is a plant into the subversion in order to discover and set to light any unforeseen anomalitical reactions by those, the "Free people."

Also I have something else bothering me. Why are there only three agents deployed at any one given time? Once Smith was "destroyed" and set free another agent program was obviously created. And did you notice that the other agents were actually surprised to see Smith? This shows they have memory and emotional reactions. This also causes you to wonder if Smith became an unforeseen Anomaly himself. This would deffinately make him a key figure in the final movie. But to get back to my original question, why the significance of three? 3 agents, Morpheus, Trinity, and Neo. 3 captains at the end of M:R. 3 objectives also at the end of M:R. There are more which I will neglect to show here but three is bound to be a significant number.


I love your post. It has more twists than chubby checker but it still is a valid and common sense post. I think that he became such an 'expert' at reading the matrix that he somehow created a replicant code of himself either to hide his code or to deflect it. Also he had the help of the agents so I still believe that somehow that is more fiesable, BUT and this is where the axium lies, you have brought up the speaker to the sound system metaphor which really has me thinking,,,.......could it have been someone with him mmmmmmmmm:confused:

yeah it's true that we don't know anything of the neb crew b4 matrix I. but let me tell u why everything that happened happened within the timeframe of that movie! ;)

remember in the beginning during cypher and trini's phone convo, and the call is traced? i believe it is cypher who gave the agents a tip-off to the call, so that it could be traced! obviously it is cypher who the agents are talking about when they say "she got out" "it doesn't matter" "the informant is real". this is how cypher earned the agent's trust. once earned, cypher didn't have to worry about the agents killing him. (cuz they didn't kill neo when they thought he could help them capture morpheus during the interrogation, bugging, etc...). this makes me think that the dinner had to be AFTER the beginning of matrix I, becuz this would be AFTER the agents find out that "the informant is real". see what i'm getting at? in simple terms: cypher tips off agents in beginning of movie to trace a call between himself and trini --> agents find out that cypher gives them a real lead and trusts him to help them --> cypher and agents communicate via computer text messaging to set up dinner appointment, etc.

now, that means that cypher began his relationship with the agents at the beginning of matrix I. also, we know that this happened recently in accordance to the matrix I story becuz they are watching neo during that initial phone conversation between cypher and trini.

hence, if we are going to agree that he went into the matrix himself, we have to assume that he got assistance from one of the members that are currently with the neb crew in matrix I.

as i said earlier, i don't think he used an avatar, becuz if he did, why would he remark on how good the steak tasted? i mean, when he eats it, u can see in the expression on his face that he is REALLY enjoying that steak! why would an avatar do that?

now, the trini betrayal theory is a good one i like it too. but i don't think it's too likely. i mean, why would she be so disagreeing with cypher during private conversations nobody else could hear? just doesn't sit right with me.

that's why i'm sticking with my Mouse theory :D.

oh, to answer an earlier question asked by someone else, that is just an avatar of agent smith, just like the rest of the people walking around in the construct program. that's why he freezes with everyone and everything else when morpheus says "freeze program!"

I noticed the Cypher thing the first time I watched the movie and shrugged it off. They all spend a lot of time in the matrix, doing their own thing... He probably just stopped for a bite and a quick planning meeting during one of their group excursions. It seemed like he had met up with them before anyway. You would think the person monitoring might notice the agents, but since he wasn't calling for help....maybe they weren't looking that good.... I don't know, just a thought.

maybe the mysterious person is the guy who wants neo dead in reloaded. He adn cypher could have known each other. Through out the matrix cypher queations neo being THE ONE. This could be a sign of jealousy. So when the guy who wants neo dead finds out about cypher being dead he could blame neo.
So my answer is the guy who wants neo dead is the mysterious guy.

You might ask how did he get on morpheus,s ship. Cypher could have been on a different ship it just doesnt show you him returning home then changing ships.

But im probably wrong.

This is not that complicated, actually. Here's a hint from the end of M1.

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CYPHER: You see, Trinity, we humans have a place in the future. But it's not here. It's in the Matrix.

TRINITY: The Matrix isn't real!

CYPHER: Oh, I disagree, Trinity. I disagree. I think the Matrix is more real than this world. I mean, all I do is pull a plug here. But there, you watch a man die.

He grabs hold of the cable in Apoc's neck, twists it and yanks it out.

CYPHER: You tell me which is more real.

Apoc seems to go blind for an instant, a scream caught in his throat, his hands reaching for nothing, and then falls dead. Switch screams.

CYPHER: Welcome to the real world, right?

He laughs.

TRINITY: Somehow, some way, you're going to pay for this.

CYPHER: Pay for it? I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO REMEMBER IT. It'll be like it never happened. The tree falling in the forest. It doesn't make a sound.

----

What this means is that the SAMPLE of Cypher's mind/brain/neural circuitry used to create his Matrix being was taken BEFORE he kills Apoc and Switch. Cypher KNOWS he's not going to remember it because he knows the sample was taken; he participated in it. The brain of the Cypher resurrected in the Matrix never registered the murders.

Hope this helps.

I tottaly agree with thanosied,

I mean think about it, mouse created the digital avatar
of "the woman in the red dress" why couldn`t he create one of cypher???? also it was mouse who never once (exept for on the phone before he was killed) talked to mopheus,trinity,tank,dozer,switch BUT he did talk to neo (probbably because he was "the new guy",and didn`t know who to trust).

think about it,


the other crew mambers of the nebachanezzer always picked on him constantly maybe he did it for revenge maybe he did it to constantly stay in the matrix I don`t Know what really happned just wanted to give u some of my mind

An avatar is an empty shell, image only, very little functionality. Smith would not have been interested in Cypher had he been only an avatar. Smith is interested in Cypher because Cypher had BETRAYED Zion before permanently entering the Matrix.

i didnt know that

Ok Glad this was brought up because if you go to the very beginning of the first matrix Opening scene when trinity is talkin to cypherbefore the cops bust the door down....
here goes a theory how cypher did this:

Trinity: Is everything in place?
Cypher: You weren't supposed to relieve me.
Trinity: I know but i felt like taking your shift
Cypher: You like him don't you? You like watching him?
Trinity: Don't be ridiculous
Cypher: Were going to kill him. (doesnt this state that Cypher was working for the agents from the very beginning)
Trinity: Morpheus believes he is the "One"
Cypher: Do You?
Trinity: It doesn't matter what i believe
Cypher: You don't do you? (again Cypher trying to persuade Trinity)
Trinity: Did you hear that?
Cypher: Hear What? (Cypher's in on it the whole time)
Trinity: Are you sure this line is clean?
Cypher: Yeah of course i'm sure. (Lying S.O.B)
Trinity: I better go.

Cypher left a back door for him to do what he needed to do later, basically turn on them and give Morpheus to the Agents

i think when cypher said "we're going to kill him" to trini in the very beginning of the movie, what he meant was that they were going to kill neo during the attempt to unplug him from the matrix. like morpheus says later to neo (after he learns what the matrix is and throws up) that "we never free a mind after a certain age, the mind has trouble letting go". cypher was simply saying that neo's mind mite not be able to let go of the matrix.

Originally posted by WildCard
yes, this was posted before - but I think it's pretty obvious that Cypher programmed himself in and then had a programmed way out.

Remember when Neo stumbled onto him at the terminals in the middle of the night? That infers that Cypher had the night shift. Cypher acted all guilty and scared, turned off the monitors right away. Maybe he even gave Neo the 'gin bottle' to help Neo sleep.

He was planning it or about to do it, I think.
-WC-

I missed the part when he turned off the monitors

Think about it, what if Cypher WAS on guard and he did somehow plug himself in. also in the beginning of M1 they do that trick with the mirror, what if he did that himself ? Its all possible maybe some of its not but its just a theory...
Anamoly

Chyper got in by autodial, or he had it pre-programmed to jack him in and pull him out when his time was done.....Play Enter the Matrix, and play with Ghost....there is a cutscene when they return to Zion, and Trinity walks into Ghost room & and he's laid out on his bed Meaditating so to speak....but he was actually in a construct program of his that he designed (meaditating) Trinity went ahead & did the same, they fought & when it was over they both came out of the program automatically.......I believe that's the same way Chyper did it.....

Agree Disagree?
That's My Theory

i didn't play the game yet... but i saw an animatrix one where they can plug themselves in by themselves... if cypher did that, then he could've set up the monitors to show something false, so that someone strolling by wouldn't see him talking to agents on the monitors. it's very possible.

that is a very interesting theory, i need to think it over and see if i can find any flaws, but just one thing, there probably would have had to be more obvious reasons that mouse would be a co-conspirator. he just seemed cool, and there was nothing to say that it wasn't just a loose end, for people like you and me and the rest of the people on this site to waste our time on. oh well.

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Maybe it was Trinity only she didn't know that he was talking to the Agent? In the begining of M1 Trinity and Cypher are talking and they were saying something about shifts right? Maybe when Cypher was eating with Smith Trinity was on Duty? Doesn't make much sense though. :mad:
It could be that before all the speculation about the one they used to hack into the Matrix for thier own leisure.:confused:
That really is a "Mind Job" though.

Originally posted by smithie
that is a very interesting theory, i need to think it over and see if i can find any flaws, but just one thing, there probably would have had to be more obvious reasons that mouse would be a co-conspirator. he just seemed cool, and there was nothing to say that it wasn't just a loose end, for people like you and me and the rest of the people on this site to waste our time on. oh well.

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I do't think mouse had anything to do with it

Since this thread appears to be all about questioning the little things, did Cypher sneeze on purpose? I wonder that every time, because that was what clued the FBI dudes that they were in the walls. Course then, he is at risk of being killed too- did all those guys know not to kill him? Also, I really wonder why the machines haven't devised a better way of keeping their "batteries" alive, if the Matrix death toll is anything like it is in the real world. Car crashes, wars, shootings, diseases, are they all really necessary for the Matrix to fool the humans? That's a lot of lost power man!

Originally posted by Whatisreal
Since this thread appears to be all about questioning the little things, did Cypher sneeze on purpose? I wonder that every time, because that was what clued the FBI dudes that they were in the walls. Course then, he is at risk of being killed too- did all those guys know not to kill him? Also, I really wonder why the machines haven't devised a better way of keeping their "batteries" alive, if the Matrix death toll is anything like it is in the real world. Car crashes, wars, shootings, diseases, are they all really necessary for the Matrix to fool the humans? That's a lot of lost power man!

of course all the killing and death is necessary! remember what agent smith said in the first matrix? about how humans need misery to believe they exist? without it then the "wake up" toll would far outweigh the normal death toll that occurs in the movies and in general ;).

and smithie, of course it's just another thing to occupy us in wasting our times debating the movie, but isn't that all part of the fun? lol

I realize they need misery, I didn't forget Smith's whole diatribe, but a lot of times being alive can be more miserable than being dead, if life sucks. I'm surprised they couldn't make the Matrix miserable without as much death, to save their batteries. Which is why I think Zion is in a Matrix, because its perfect- their whole existence has so much meaning, purpose, and direction, that they would never in a million years come to question their existence, and their life actually could be much more meaningful than being in the real world and sitting behind a desk. Which also reminds me- if you look at it in terms of how good the matrix is, the machines are actually quite the benevolent dictators, though only inasmuch as furthers their own existence. But consider the human reaction in the Animatrix to the machines. They could have easily turned on us and enslaved us rather than plugging our brains into a happy little existence.

I have no idea.

Originally posted by thanosied
i didn't play the game yet... but i saw an animatrix one where they can plug themselves in by themselves... if cypher did that, then he could've set up the monitors to show something false, so that someone strolling by wouldn't see him talking to agents on the monitors. it's very possible.

Hun, do you remember which one it was (ut runs to get her animatrix dvd and shakes to open the seal she promised herself she wouldn't break) I will have to download that story and have a look.

i guess that's another movie mistake

Originally posted by Whatisreal
I realize they need misery, I didn't forget Smith's whole diatribe, but a lot of times being alive can be more miserable than being dead, if life sucks. I'm surprised they couldn't make the Matrix miserable without as much death, to save their batteries. Which is why I think Zion is in a Matrix, because its perfect- their whole existence has so much meaning, purpose, and direction, that they would never in a million years come to question their existence, and their life actually could be much more meaningful than being in the real world and sitting behind a desk. Which also reminds me- if you look at it in terms of how good the matrix is, the machines are actually quite the benevolent dictators, though only inasmuch as furthers their own existence. But consider the human reaction in the Animatrix to the machines. They could have easily turned on us and enslaved us rather than plugging our brains into a happy little existence.

well, the person dying isn't miserable, it's the family, friends and loved ones of the person who passed who are miserable ;).
but in any case, i guess the architect said he modeled the following matrices according to human history, which is filled with bloody death. so i guess he had no choice.

i agree with u one the m-w-a-m theory point, but i can't bring myself to believe that that is where the trilogy is going.

and uh, they did turn on humans and make us slaves, the "happy" lil existence is just control, not becuz the a.i. like the humans so much lol.

this tread is good. let's talk about it :)

i think that cypher setted the right configurations and then plugged in.
only thing i can't think of if how he putted the plug in his head, and later out

I'm gonna insert my own little theory here. Perhaps Cypher talks to Dozer and/or Tank. He asks them to jack him in, saying he needs to go see the oracle, like he made a promise to go see her so many days/months/years after he las saw her. He gives them some of Dozer's junk and allows them to get as drunk or tired as possible before jacking in. He jacks in, they don't pay attention cuz they're messed up, but not messed up enough to jack him back out later.

Ok, there's my twisted idea. :D

Originally posted by Kara
I'm gonna insert my own little theory here. Perhaps Cypher talks to Dozer and/or Tank. He asks them to jack him in, saying he needs to go see the oracle, like he made a promise to go see her so many days/months/years after he las saw her. He gives them some of Dozer's junk and allows them to get as drunk or tired as possible before jacking in. He jacks in, they don't pay attention cuz they're messed up, but not messed up enough to jack him back out later.

Ok, there's my twisted idea. :D

interesting. he could also of dropped his cellphone some where, so they coudn't track him. (like he did later) and then had his meeting with smith, and when that whas over he gothis cellphone again and called tank or dozer

Originally posted by Freddy Krueger
interesting. he could also of dropped his cellphone some where, so they coudn't track him. (like he did later) and then had his meeting with smith, and when that whas over he gothis cellphone again and called tank or dozer

i think they can track people without the cell phone though... cuz in M3, Morpheus asks for the Mjornir(sp?) operator (can't remember his name) to run a search for neo in the matrix. however, neo was in the train station and wouldn't of had a cell phone and morph knew that. which is why my theory probably isn't right, cuz tank and dozer would of had to of been reeeeeeaaaalllyyy messed up not to notice that cypher was in such a close vicinty with an agent.

True, Kara, that they can track people inside the Matrix without the cell phones, but perhaps the phones make it easier to follow the rebels. After all, where the phone goes, the person goes. It would be easier than trying to watch the script and seeing which individual is where. Maybe the phone has something programmed in to stand out to the operator, a flag of sorts.

Just my half a cent :)

And also. tank (and trinity and morpheus) coudn't find neo, when he whas running away from the agents. to get a exit.
when neo stole the phone from that one guy, and he called, then they could track him again