How did neo stop the sentinels.

Well, here it is, I want to hear what the most popular belief concerning the end of M2 is. If I don't have your answer represented here, then it probably sucks, but post it anyways for my amusement.

How about you give yours first? Then, if it doesn't suck, we'll post.

how about you just vote or stfu :P

How about rather than following your advice to "stfu," we try something different. Go all out and place your best theory on this issue on the line. Then, rather than following the norm, where you try to poke holes and call people stupid, we poke holes and call you stupid.

If you don't, we all know why.

Yeah, you just need to chill out a little bit... and stfu.

By the way, I'm serious. Stop derailing this thread, it's here for people to vote and discuss, not to bicker.

neo, half man half program... something we all believe I guess... (half half, part part not a difference here)

as neo is part program he is part machine... therefor able to communicate.. or deactivate, hack, let it crash, cannot find the word I am looking for....

same way bane did... there may be other part program part human people that lack the power of some kind of communication...

by the way I had a good laugh with the options you gave, allthough you would consider my theory as magical jedi powers because he is the one it is not as easy as you state it... bane has the same powers and he is not the one so that option is stupid... jedi powers.. well euhmmm don't know that power so maybe.... zion is a matrix... oooooooohh pleassssssseeeeeeeeeeeeee aaarrrrrggggghhh did you watch the trailers????? did you read all arguments against it??

Real one, i dont mean to go against you, but you kinda inniated the hostilites there... sorry man ;(

madjis avatar is t3h aws0mez0r cuz its a continuious loop, hje never gets a sip of that remme martin... ;(

I'm kinda goin w/ madhijs on this one. Humans in the real world have to have a lot of hardware and programming in them, otherwise there is no way they could have been hooked up to the matrix. Neo could have stopped them by creating some sort of emp with his own nanoconnetics.

by the way Terikan, what's your dish? Why are you always so negative to people. You seem to think you are always right, and are a very hostile person in my opinion.

I think that Neo stopping the sentinels has everything to do with Neo and Smith's connection. What exactly that connection is, I'm relying on the third film to answer for me without me making up my own theories. By the way, I don't believe the MIAM theory.

the choices are all there !!! pick one. all of the things you have explained are on the poll list.

the smith theory is complete guessword. there is little evidence that neo has a connection with smith. smith said it, yes. what other evidence is there? gimme another example of neo (or smith) using this connection (knowingly, or unknowingly). im not disagreeing that hey dont have one, but gimme an example of the natrue of this connection?

what evidence is there that the reason for stopping sentinels is cause of a smith connection? your answer: "smith can order sentinels and control them, cause in m1 they ordered a strike from the building, blah blah blah blah." this is stupid. anyone who believes that smith can control the sentinels (as if they were on a remote control) i cannot talk with you.

lets go on hard, rock solid evidence here. MIM explains exactly how he stopped the sentinels. there isnt any evidence that smith had anything to do with this event.

maybe that the end of M2 was made just to mislead us. i dont know how else they would explain this ending tho. you talk about MIM being disapointing? tell me why the smith theory is any less stupid that MIM. i feel like im taking crazy pills here. you completely brand a theory as "stupid" and create even more idiotic reasons to why MIM is not true. but really, id just like to know why smith thoery is less stupid than MIM.

and what evidence is there for neo being a machine?!?!?!??!?!

and "therealone" you still havent explained why neo stopped the sentinels. try to poke holes in this w/o looking stupid. i cant believe some of these theories made to explain the sentinels stopping scene.

here are some of my best theories for this issue:

explain why neo stopped the sentinels (that isnt stupid plz.). you think you are making sense but you arent, with most of these theories.

how neo "felt" the sentinels.

i said this a hella long time ago:
explain why, in the neb, the plaque says "made in 2069". with the architect's speech, the year would have to be 2500+ at least. the neb cannot last that long, through all the wars, etc.

explain how the oracle knows things outside the matrix. neo not sleeping.

when seeing into the future (which has been dont many times in the matrix) the events are effected by what happens outside the matrix. how can one world be predetermined and controled, when its results are determined on a uncontrollable world? neo's vision (trinity dying) was caused by a faulty bridge in a ship. he couldnt give a warning from the attack.

and look here: HUGE EVIDENCE. its new too.
cypher: "if he's the one, it would take some kind of miracle to stop me from pulling this plug"

tank comes back to life and kills cypher. there's your miracle. neo HAS to reach the source. both worlds need to be controled in order to ensure that. cypher could have killed neo dead right then. but that cant happen- the one has to reach the source. its innevitable. AND CONTROLLING BOTH WORLDS IS A NECESSITY TO DO THIS.

poke holes in these. plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz!!!

I'm reserving all "hole-poking" for Terikan

Originally posted by TheRealOne
I'm reserving all "hole-poking" for Terikan

Are you sure Terikan likes having his hole poked?


On a serious note, here is my theory on how Neo stopped the sentinals from one of my earlier posts. The bottom line is that while Neo remains "irrevobaly human" he does carry the source code for the current version of the Matrix within his subconscience, having received it from Persephone's (mother of the Matrix) kiss. Read on...

MATRIX THEORY 101
ALTERED CONSCIOUSNESS AND STOPPING SENTINELS

Neo’s ability to halt the sentinels at the end of M2 serves as a major source of confusion for die-hard Matrix fans. The demonstration of what appears to be supernatural powers in the “real world” causes some to hypothesize about a “Matrix in a Matrix” (MIAM). Others argue that Neo is partly or completely machine rather than human. Still others suggest that Neo’s godlike powers have transcended into the real world. The most plausible explanation consistent to the storyline arises from the fact that Neo now carries the source code within him.

Both Smith and Neo experience a series of transformations in M1 and M2. At the end of M1, Smith inadvertently frees Neo from fear of death in the Matrix. In the same way, Neo frees Smith from his programming by destroying his physical form as an agent. Consequently, both Smith and Neo become freely moving anomalies within the Matrix.

When Smith “corrupts” Bane partway through M2 and jacks out of the Matrix, his artificial intelligence (AI) consciousness supplants Bane’s own mind in his mortal body. In contrast to his immortality in the Matrix, Smith quickly learns that he has taken on the mortal characteristics of a human being since he can now bleed and feel pain in the outside world (thus the scene where he cuts his own hand). A machine has taken on characteristics of a human.

After Neo unknowingly receives the source code or prime program from Persephone's kiss, his consciousness is altered giving him a profound connection with the Matrix and the machines controlled by it both within the matrix and in the outside world. This new connection becomes apparent to him and the viewers towards the end of M2 when Neo tells Trinity, “Something’s different. I can feel them,” referring to the approaching sentinels. A human has taken on characteristics of a machine.

The altered consciousnesses of Smith and Neo in M2 save both from being killed by the sentinels at the end of the film. The presence of an AI mind controlling Bane’s physical form is sensed by the sentinels and saves him from being slaughtered with the rest of the counterstrike. Neo’s connection to the Matrix enables him to hack the mainframe and disable the sentinels connected to it, saving him (and the rest of the Nebuchadnezzar’s crew). To do so, Neo is forced to establish a steady connection to the mainframe, ultimately causing his mind to be projected into the Matrix without a hard-line and his body to fall into an apparent coma. In truth, Neo’s mind is trapped between the Matrix and the real world, or “trapped between worlds” as the Oracle states in Enter the Matrix. A final fundamental question that needs to be resolved in Matrix Revolutions is “How will Neo get out of the Matrix?”

Originally posted by Unamuno
Are you sure Terikan likes having his hole poked?







Hahahahaha!!!! I burst into laughter when I read that!

why the answer is SO obvious: Neo has Jedi powers! Didn't you get the hint when he used a light saber? And then there was the appeaance of the millenium falcon! How ccould you not get that?
:D

lol. But really, who knows? November 5th is getting closer and closer....

Hole poking... *Pokes hole in loaf of bread at grocery store* IT WAS ALL REALONE.

Oh, and I think it was an emp from another ship mabye or that Neo has a reciever/emp device and thats why he went into the coma because of the emp device shut down his device.

that could be true, but why was he all like "i can feel them now" before he stopped them. Plus there were no other ships around, they were all destroyed.

Originally posted by TheRealOne
I'm reserving all "hole-poking" for Terikan


why the answer is SO obvious: Neo has Jedi powers! Didn't you get the hint when he used a light saber? And then there was the appeaance of the millenium falcon! How ccould you not get that?


neither of you have answers. just say that instead of saying something really stupid. this goes mostly for "therealone". i beg you to answer my theories (which you dared terikan to do, but i couldnt resist.) and when you cant answer, you say "im reserving my hole picking" like a lil bizatch. answer me right, and if you dont, we all know why. let's just pretend terikan said what i said earlier. now answer my questions.

I'm not denying that I don't have all the answers. I'm just awaiting Terikan's iron-clad theory since he is always so quick to call everyone else stupid.

how bout you just answer my questions or stfu. somebody better just answer my questions. i feel like im talking to myself here.

Are you sure Terikan likes having his hole poked?
Lmao!!!!!!! Maybe that kind therapy could help him become less irritable...
somebody better just answer my questions.Or what?

Maybe when you can answer that question, I'll answer yours.

Until such a time, consider this: the MiaM theory was first brought up here a couple or so days after M2 was reased. Soon after that it was already widely discussed.

Why do you think that of all of those thousands of people in Zion NOBODY ever asked "Hey, guys, what if we're still in the matrix?" Neo&Co always train in the construct, but surely they must have wondered how good they are in the "real" world. Nobody ever wondered whether they can run up a wall or jump 20 feet high? I mean, that would be one of the first things on my mind: do I really know kung-fu? All the kids in Zion, they never tried to kick a$$ like adults do in the matrix? Nobody ever punched trough a wall by mistake or did something else "impossible"?

The first time I read something about MiaM, I wondered: why would it be that people in a forum, for god's sake, immediately began debating this idea, yet people whose lives depend on it never even considered a possibility?

What about a differnt option from all of those? Maybe something similar to 'he didn't stop the sentinels, another ship did' or 'he didn't stop the sentinals he just waved his arms in the air what does that prove'

come on, icedrops, it's all a little bit of fun. and the Jedi option WAS there, so why not roll w/ it? :D

[i]Originally posted by yanka
Or what?

Maybe when you can answer that question, I'll answer yours.


what are you talking about dud? what CAN i do? either you choose to answer my questions, or not. if you cant answer them (which you obviously cant) dont try to attack me for it. i dont see any reason to ignore my questions unless you dont want to admit that you cant answer them... thats the only reason i can see. maybe you have other reasons...

and, have ppl in this world ever wondered if they were in a real world? yes, thats how the matrix (the movie) was created. but because we think it, doesnt mean we are going to take it as a reality. ppl in zion may have thought of it, but why would they take it seriously? if they did think it, then what?

Originally posted by i c 3 d r p z
what are you talking about dud? what CAN i do? either you choose to answer my questions, or not.
Ok, I refer you to your post again. how bout you just answer my questions or stfu. somebody better just answer my questions.Sounds like an incomplete threat to me; I was offering you a chance to make it complete: "somebody better just answer my questions, or I will _________." Oh, and the word is "dudE".

i dont see any reason to ignore my questions unless you dont want to admit that you cant answer them... thats the only reason i can see. maybe you have other reasons...There are plenty of reasons someone might choose not to answer someone else' questions. 1) They don't have the answers; 2) they don't feel like it at the moment; 3) they've answered them before and don't want to repeat themselves; 4) they find the questions themselves boring, irrelevant, rhetorical, etc.; 5) they don't want to bother or they are just not interested; 6) they find the way in which the questions are presented (or the presenter's tone) rude or offensive; 7) they don't want to answer any of the questions of that particular person. There are probably more. The reasons I didn't answer yours are: partially 1; partially 3; and partially 6. and, have ppl in this world ever wondered if they were in a real world? yes, thats how the matrix (the movie) was created. but because we think it, doesnt mean we are going to take it as a reality. ppl in zion may have thought of it, but why would they take it seriously? if they did think it, then what? The reason people in Zion might want to take reality-questioning seriously is because they are fighting for reality, and some of them have experienced living in a dream, which they obviously didn't like, hence the escape from the matrix. Why would they keep "freeing" people from the matrix and not take any steps to free themselves from Zion if it wasn't "real"?

P.S. What's the deal with your location? Unless I'm grossly misinterpreting it, I can only hope that you change it before the mods get to you.

so....youre just being stubborn???? you want to make a point. i see..... i guess you're trying to tell me to be nicer.....like everyone else in this damn forum.... ill try !!! *sigh*

i guess i AM talking to myself. and i guess nobody takes my things seriously anymore cause im too mean and hurt ppl's feelings too much... ill try my best to make everyone here happy from now on. im just sad that nobody takes me seriously anymore, and havent for the longest time....i guess i brought this upon myself.

Originally posted by i c 3 d r p z
so....youre just being stubborn????
Lol... yeah, I guess, a little... sorry
i see..... i guess you're trying to tell me to be nicer.....like everyone else in this damn forum.... ill try !!! *sigh*
I'm not sure if I'm trying to tell you to be nicer - I personally don't really care. As far for everyone else on this forum - I am not sure I am aware of your interactions with them, nor do I want to speak on anyone's behalf.
But if you care, I'll let you know what I'm thinking. When people tell their opponents to stfu, and other such things, it accomplishes, as far as I see, only one thing - people start paying increasingly more attention to their opponent's character, and much less attention to the argument itself. Case in point - the first post on this thread. From there on, it snowballs to where we find ourselves now - talking about each other and the proper debating etiquette. That snowball only grows until the argument is as good as forgotten, and what was a good thread to begin with is dead. There is something to be said for proper discussion procedure.
and i guess nobody takes my things seriously anymore cause im too mean and hurt ppl's feelings too much...Well, as for myself - I doubt there is anything you can say that can hurt my feelings. And I hope to continue (as I have, otherwise I wouldn't have bothered replying to you) to take you seriously.

Funny thing is - this post is already too long for me to now return to the subject at hand; and why? because it was spent on addressing the menial, self-evident stuff. I hope you see my point.

Neo did not stop the sentinels. The Hammer did. The ship that rescued them was near enough to attack those machines. Now..why neo felt unconsious? He was the nearest one to those sentinels, so he recieve a little beat of bolt.

I never see a M3 trailer or something like that. But I think the plot needs neo sleep, and Bane, so when they try to connect them both to a virtual reallity Neo could see Smith instead of Bane.

Dude holy booze i have said this so many times. you find it in ETM the oracle tells Niobe that Neo's mind is separated from his bode. He is stuck in a place b/t the human and machine world. He has a connection left in the matrix and the merovingin is holding to key to get neo out. Neo used that connection to tell the squiddy's to short circuit. it took so much brain power to do that that he wen't into a coma so his body can recharge!

sullengirl, because it's impossible that neo was not responsible for those sentinels malfunctioning. Impossible. But, if you really believe that, then choose the option (I have my own theory...).



Why do you think that of all of those thousands of people in Zion NOBODY ever asked "Hey, guys, what if we're still in the matrix?" Neo&Co always train in the construct, but surely they must have wondered how good they are in the "real" world. Nobody ever wondered whether they can run up a wall or jump 20 feet high? I mean, that would be one of the first things on my mind: do I really know kung-fu? All the kids in Zion, they never tried to kick a$$ like adults do in the matrix? Nobody ever punched trough a wall by mistake or did something else "impossible"?

Yanka, you are forgetting the obvious. People who are still plugged in could never do those things. The only reason why neo and others can, is because they are 'hacking' into the matrix, and aren't still in pods.

Your concern about them never considering the possibility of still being in the matrix is valid, though.

There are a few explanations.

1. The writers didn't think that neo and others would think of it. (very unlikely)
2. Neo and others are prevented from considering it, by some force. This is only possible if miam is true.
3. Neo and others just 'know' somehow that they are in the real world. They cannot consider being inside a matrix because it just feels too real for them. I don't know how likely this is though. It doesn't seem plausible that they can be so sure after all they've been though.

Unknown, how did he transmit the command to stop the squiddies? Magic? Please, think about this a little bit. He has to have some way of issuing the command. Imagine that there is this robot, and you know it's secret command word. But let's say that the robot has no ears. Then having the secret command word does you no good, now does it? You have to have a way of saying that command word to the robot.

So how did neo issue the command. How did he establish a connection. That is something EVERY theory concerning the stopping of the sentinels has to answer.

Originally posted by Terikan
Yanka, you are forgetting the obvious. People who are still plugged in could never do those things. The only reason why neo and others can, is because they are 'hacking' into the matrix, and aren't still in pods.
People who are still plugged in (as in, not 'hacked') can do "impossible things". The Runner gets up from the wheelchair and walks. The Kid throws himself off of a rooftop and lives. There are some other things people that have never been "outside" do/experience that make them question reality; you can find them on the official site in the "comics" section. Particularly worthy of mentioning are "Deja Vu" and "Path Among Stones". Heck, Neo himself always felt "there was something wrong with the world." Then there is the spoon-bending kid.

To me, it's not even a question that people that have never been out of the matrix are capable of questioning reality. The Ms mirror what our civilization has been through - every reality-questioning school of thought from skeptics to Buddhists to Kant. If the characters in the movie could only question reality after they have been unplugged from the matrix (and thus have seen that our "reality" is not at all "real"), then every reference to those philosophies would be obliterated - for no one has ever been out of our reality AND was able to plug back in and tell us about it. It'd be kind of ridiculous to propose that Descartes must first view our reality from the outside in order to reasonably suggest that "reality" is nothing more than what our senses feed us.

Looking at your explanations of "them never considering the possibility of still being in the matrix", I can see that you have yourself pretty much ruled out 1 and 3. Let's say 2 is true. There is some force that prevents Zionites from considering the possibility of still being in the matrix. Then why whoever is making that a "possibility" did not implement the same method in the matrix? If the technology (or whatever if is) is available to rid people of feeling that they are living in a dream, then why not implement it in the first layer?

People who are still plugged in (as in, not 'hacked') can do "impossible things". The Runner gets up from the wheelchair and walks. The Kid throws himself off of a rooftop and lives. There are some other things people that have never been "outside" do/experience that make them question reality; you can find them on the official site in the "comics" section. Particularly worthy of mentioning are "Deja Vu" and "Path Among Stones". Heck, Neo himself always felt "there was something wrong with the world." Then there is the spoon-bending kid.

The runner isn't sanctioned, so it doesn't matter. The kid did not live, his body died, so he did nothing that anyone else would notice as impossible. The other things you mentioned can be dismissed as flaws in the matrix, not superhuman feats.

Your second paragraph confuses me. What's your point exactly and how does it have anything to do with what I said?

Then why whoever is making that a "possibility" did not implement the same method in the matrix? If the technology (or whatever if is) is available to rid people of feeling that they are living in a dream, then why not implement it in the first layer?

There is only one explanation for this, watson, and I hate spoonfeeding things, so why don't you tell me the answer instead.

Originally posted by texabara
Neo did not stop the sentinels. The Hammer did. The ship that rescued them was near enough to attack those machines. Now..why neo felt unconsious? He was the nearest one to those sentinels, so he recieve a little beat of bolt.


EMP doesn't affect any lifeforms; an EMP just fries electronic devices. Remember M1? they used the EMP at the end to get rid of the centinels and nobody got in coma.

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
Dude holy booze i have said this so many times. you find it in ETM the oracle tells Niobe that Neo's mind is separated from his bode. He is stuck in a place b/t the human and machine world. He has a connection left in the matrix and the merovingin is holding to key to get neo out. Neo used that connection to tell the squiddy's to short circuit. it took so much brain power to do that that he wen't into a coma so his body can recharge!

I like this theory. But there's something missing (I prefer the MIAM theory or a subset of it)

Originally posted by yanka

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Looking at your explanations of "them never considering the possibility of still being in the matrix", I can see that you have yourself pretty much ruled out 1 and 3. Let's say 2 is true. There is some force that prevents Zionites from considering the possibility of still being in the matrix. Then why whoever is making that a "possibility" did not implement the same method in the matrix? If the technology (or whatever if is) is available to rid people of feeling that they are living in a dream, then why not implement it in the first layer?

Maybe because the second layer is the technology to rid people of feeling that they are living in a dream.

Usually when you write a program you just write an exception handling block, expecting that's enough.

You don't write an exception handling block of the write original exception handling block. That's just confusing.

Originally posted by Terikan
Unknown, how did he transmit the command to stop the squiddies? Magic? Please, think about this a little bit. He has to have some way of issuing the command. Imagine that there is this robot, and you know it's secret command word. But let's say that the robot has no ears. Then having the secret command word does you no good, now does it? You have to have a way of saying that command word to the robot.

So how did neo issue the command. How did he establish a connection. That is something EVERY theory concerning the stopping of the sentinels has to answer.
HE HAS A CONNECTION CAUSE HIS MIND IS STILL PARTLY IN THE MATRIX. HE WENT INTO A COMA BECAUSE IT TOOK SO MUCH BRAIN POWER TO SEND THE SIGNAL. THE PART OF HIM THAT IS STILL IN THE MATRIX COMMANDEDIT. He said "I can feel them now" because his mind is inside the system. Plus the whole fact that he is the one gives him enough power to do something like that!

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
HE HAS A CONNECTION CAUSE HIS MIND IS STILL PARTLY IN THE MATRIX. HE WENT INTO A COMA BECAUSE IT TOOK SO MUCH BRAIN POWER TO SEND THE SIGNAL. THE PART OF HIM THAT IS STILL IN THE MATRIX COMMANDEDIT. He said "I can feel them now" because his mind is inside the system. Plus the whole fact that he is the one gives him enough power to do something like that!

damn man...a bit heavy on the caps eh? your making my eyes hurt almost as much as squezing lemon in my eyes...can you plz edit it to lower case?

Terikan, you are so predictable! I give you examples of people doing "those things" while still plugged into the matrix, and you refute them... how?Originally posted by Terikan
The other things you mentioned can be dismissed as flaws in the matrix, not superhuman feats.
Ok, if you defend your argument by just "dismissing" evidence to the contrary on some arbitrary basis, then I guess you'll win every time. I suppose next you'll be telling me that my arguments suck.
Your second paragraph confuses me. What's your point exactly and how does it have anything to do with what I said?My point is that people who are still in the pods are wondering if reality is real - just like we here have done for centuries. Some of these people find ways to do "impossible" things precisely because they suspect that they are in a "matrix".
People who know that reality is not real (Neo etc.) are able to perform what you call "superhuman feats" through the application of that knowledge, but they had to "wonder" first - otherwise they wouldn't even get unplugged.
Originally posted by m0r0n3s
Maybe because the second layer is the technology to rid people of feeling that they are living in a dream.

Usually when you write a program you just write an exception handling block, expecting that's enough.

You don't write an exception handling block of the write original exception handling block. That's just confusing.
So, this exception-handling block would probably work in either of two ways:
1. It prevents the person in Zion from forming a suspicion (?) that they are still in the matrix. How? Every time a person begins thinking "What if I am still in...", their mind is instantaneously zapped into some sort of very short-term amnesia, so the person could never finish this particular thought? I hope you would agree that this does not seem very possible, and it is definitely not very efficient.
2. Zion is completely error-free. Nobody can bend a spoon there. Nobody can run too fast, jump too high, etc. Then, if such restrictions can be implemented in VR, why not just implement them in the matrix, thereby eliminating the need for an exception-handling block altogether?

HE HAS A CONNECTION CAUSE HIS MIND IS STILL PARTLY IN THE MATRIX.

umm, excuse me, but how can part of his mind be in one place, and part in the other? please, explain to me how this works.

Ok, if you defend your argument by just "dismissing" evidence to the contrary on some arbitrary basis, then I guess you'll win every time. I suppose next you'll be telling me that my arguments suck.

It wasn't evidence, and I plainly explained why. Oh.. and I don't bother stating the obvious.

My point is that people who are still in the pods are wondering if reality is real - just like we here have done for centuries. Some of these people find ways to do "impossible" things precisely because they suspect that they are in a "matrix".
People who know that reality is not real (Neo etc.) are able to perform what you call "superhuman feats" through the application of that knowledge, but they had to "wonder" first - otherwise they wouldn't even get unplugged.

That's nice. Still don't get your point, but let me reiterate: people can't perform superhuman feats until they are first unplugged.

So, this exception-handling block would probably work in either of two ways:
1. It prevents the person in Zion from forming a suspicion (?) that they are still in the matrix. How? Every time a person begins thinking "What if I am still in...", their mind is instantaneously zapped into some sort of very short-term amnesia, so the person could never finish this particular thought? I hope you would agree that this does not seem very possible, and it is definitely not very efficient.
2. Zion is completely error-free. Nobody can bend a spoon there. Nobody can run too fast, jump too high, etc. Then, if such restrictions can be implemented in VR, why not just implement them in the matrix, thereby eliminating the need for an exception-handling block altogether

You still don't know how that could be? Wow.

Covered, which this subject has been before,I personally think that there is a matrix within a matrix.

Originally posted by wheresbobcarlso
Covered, which this subject has been before,I personally think that there is a matrix within a matrix.
How?!!?!?!? IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!!

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
How?!!?!?!? IT DOESN'T EXIST!!!!!

are you refering to the quote of the referal to the thread being made or no MIM?

MIM DOSEN'T EXIST AND WHEN REVOLUTIONS COMES OUT AND THERE IS NO MIM IM GONNA LAUGH SO HARD... I.... WON'T BE ABLE.... TO ... UHH LAUGH ANYMORE, YEAH THATS IT!!!!

Don't hurt yourself.

Originally posted by Terikan
Don't hurt yourself.
I am actually kinda hurtin now!

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
MIM DOSEN'T EXIST AND WHEN REVOLUTIONS COMES OUT AND THERE IS NO MIM IM GONNA LAUGH SO HARD... I.... WON'T BE ABLE.... TO ... UHH LAUGH ANYMORE, YEAH THATS IT!!!!

Careful people have died because they laugh too much

Originally posted by m0r0n3s
EMP doesn't affect any lifeforms; an EMP just fries electronic devices. Remember M1? they used the EMP at the end to get rid of the centinels and nobody got in coma.


Thanks for the info. But remember, Unplugged humans are wired inside on their neurological system, and in M1 the EMP was proyected from inside to outside.

No, no you are right! I remember now, in M1 there where machines inside the Nabucodonosor (is difficult to spell it in English).

But Unknownanomality is a very convincing theory.

I don't belive in MIAM theory, simply 'cause I don't like it. To Have Neo still telepatically connected to the Matrix is a better route. May be is not that he sends a signal to the Matrix, may be the Matrix read Neo's brain signal and obey his order to order the squids to short circuit. Understand?

Originally posted by Terikan
Unknown, how did he transmit the command to stop the squiddies? Magic? Please, think about this a little bit. He has to have some way of issuing the command. Imagine that there is this robot, and you know it's secret command word. But let's say that the robot has no ears. Then having the secret command word does you no good, now does it? You have to have a way of saying that command word to the robot.

So how did neo issue the command. How did he establish a connection. That is something EVERY theory concerning the stopping of the sentinels has to answer.

Easy. With the power of his mind. Neo now believes he has control of his own destiny, and with his control and no doubt he can see through to the code which in effect disables the squiddies completly. There is no secrect there. Terikan the floor please...

UT

let me be as frank as i can here. trinity, you ARE basically saying neo is using magic. he can see threw their code and control his own destiny.... in a real world. how is that possible?

to all: magic is the only other explanation besides MIM. i noe "magic" is a mocking way of putting your explanations (to most of you) but thats the basis of your theories. magic, somehow controling squids with his mind in a real world; same thing. both silly as hell. no matter how hard you try and sweeten it up with special connections, smith bs, etc, its all just plain silly. and all the stuff you WANT to believe, is 10000x more brainless than MIM, and you all want to dub MiaM as a bad ending. jesus christ.

Originally posted by i c 3 d r p z
to all: magic is the only other explanation besides MIM. i noe "magic" is a mocking way of putting your explanations (to most of you) but thats the basis of your theories. magic, somehow controling squids with his mind in a real world; same thing. both silly as hell. no matter how hard you try and sweeten it up with special connections, smith bs, etc, its all just plain silly. and all the stuff you WANT to believe, is 10000x more brainless than MIM, and you all want to dub MiaM as a bad ending. jesus christ.

The humans that were plugged into the matrix have hardware that was inserted into their bodies. Perhaps the remaining hardware is more than just "plugs" or "outlets." Perhaps the hardware is capable of receiving a signal, albeit a weak signal, and Neo was somehow able to focus on this ultra-weak signal.

Just a thought.

ice, magic is NOT the only other explaination OTHER than miam. I think it's the connection between smith and neo.
And then there's that jedi theory...;)

Originally posted by i c 3 d r p z
let me be as frank as i can here. trinity, you ARE basically saying neo is using magic. he can see threw their code and control his own destiny.... in a real world. how is that possible?

to all: magic is the only other explanation besides MIM. i noe "magic" is a mocking way of putting your explanations (to most of you) but thats the basis of your theories. magic, somehow controling squids with his mind in a real world; same thing. both silly as hell. no matter how hard you try and sweeten it up with special connections, smith bs, etc, its all just plain silly. and all the stuff you WANT to believe, is 10000x more brainless than MIM, and you all want to dub MiaM as a bad ending. jesus christ.

Ok imagine Jedi powers. They can, with their mind alter the synapsis of anothers mind to make them do what they want. They are trained in the art with their mind by holding up one hand deflecting robots and throwing them accross rooms. They have a symbiotic realationship within themselves to sense and instinctivly know about the dangers around them. And are picked just like Neo to be trained. Why is that magic? What has it got to do with plugs and pple still in stasis? There are no plugs with receptors, they have been made redundant. It's all mind power. That he believes in himself being able to stop them. Also of course he can see code, so why isn't it plausable that he can't see theirs? And if he does see theirs knows their weaknesses?
The guy flies. Is that magic? No it is his mind telling him there are no barriers in the matrix. Physics doesn't exsist there, for it is an AI generated programne. So my theory is not based on magic, but on mind control. Neo knows he can change destiny.

whoa, I was just kidding about the whole jedi thing. very cool explaination, UT! :D

Originally posted by UltimateTrinity
Ok imagine Jedi powers. They can, with their mind alter the synapsis of anothers mind to make them do what they want. They are trained in the art with their mind by holding up one hand deflecting robots and throwing them accross rooms. They have a symbiotic realationship within themselves to sense and instinctivly know about the dangers around them. And are picked just like Neo to be trained. Why is that magic? What has it got to do with plugs and pple still in stasis? There are no plugs with receptors, they have been made redundant. It's all mind power. That he believes in himself being able to stop them. Also of course he can see code, so why isn't it plausable that he can't see theirs? And if he does see theirs knows their weaknesses?
The guy flies. Is that magic? No it is his mind telling him there are no barriers in the matrix. Physics doesn't exsist there, for it is an AI generated programne. So my theory is not based on magic, but on mind control. Neo knows he can change destiny.

in the matrix, it isnt magic. but in a real world it is. it is impossible to bend rules in a real world cause......its real. if MIM is true, its not magic. but mind control in a real world is magic. mind control/magic SAME THING. mind power? its silly as hell. jesus christ.

let me be even MORE frank here. this theory is guesswork. what evidence is there? lets just compare and contrast on evidence for this theory, and MIM. ANY theory and MiM for that matter. im talking about real evidence in the two previous matrix films. not plain guesswork. not what you WANT to happen. not what you THINK will happen. get some evidence. all these theories have no evidence behind them!!! omg. smith connection .... mind control......special receptors in neo's plugs... WHAT EVIDENCE FOR THESE WHACKY THEORIES ARE THERE???? did you just pull them out of your butts or what? MIM has tons of evidence. these have little to none. buut......you'll take anything over mim (for some reason i also dont noe).

im sorry, but i feel like im taking crazy pills here. all theories for the squid killing scene besides MiM are so silly, i dont see why anyone believes them. just how i feel...

TheRealOne, one of the options here covers the possibility of having a transmitter/receiver.

The fact that neo has not defied gravity in the real world, and all he has done can be explained with such hardware supports that theory.

It basically comes down to:

1. mim
2. unrevealed transmission hardware
3. magic/jedi powers/etc

Some people really can't accept this. I'm glad to see you posting again UT. However, I think icedrops said it best. It's not magic in the matrix. The matrix is not real, and it is because of it being unreal that they are allowed to bend or break the rules.

Some people say things like 'the connection between neo and smith'. Excuse me, but how is such a connection established in the real world, and how is it maintained. Are they psychic? Maybe they can start a 1-900 number so I can win the lottery.

Originally posted by Terikan
TheRealOne, one of the options here covers the possibility of having a transmitter/receiver.

Yes it does. I don't necessarily believe this to be the case, but I thought I would point it out to Icedrops.

So what's your theory Terikan? I promise I'll be fair.

The transmitter of course.

Originally posted by Terikan
The transmitter of course.

What evidence is there for your theory that Neo has a transmitter - and that is why he was able to stop the sentinels? Undoubtedly, it is a possibility, and some give more weight to this possibility than others. However, you once said that "[p]ossibility, yes, anything is possible. But you don't base theories on possibilities."

Because, there's three possibilities. We can rule out magic fairly easily, can't we? And then there's miam. While we've seen things possible with a remote transmitter, we've not seen neo do anything that would require miam, like flying around, punching through walls, etc. Now, I would give more arguments against miam, but we've all heard them before.

That leaves only one possibility. It's a simple matter of process of elimination.

Originally posted by Terikan
And then there's miam. While we've seen things possible with a remote transmitter, we've not seen neo do anything that would require miam, like flying around, punching through walls, etc.

"Flying around, punching through wall, etc." was not required in M2 until the sentinel incident. Thus, this does not eliminate MIAM. Mostly, all I have heard for why there is no miam is because people don't like the idea. This also does not eliminate MIAM.

The transmitter possibility may be correct, but it is also possible that MIAM is correct.

Originally posted by Terikan
The transmitter of course.

Well congratulations i c 3 d r p z. And yes we do take and respect your theories. See. Thanks Terikan it's good to see you also. I will still argue that the mind does not equate with magic, as magic is pure illusion, and Neo was not constricted with the laws of physics, as magicians are here.

Anyway, enough of that. You have total respect and credit from me here i c 3 d r p z for Terikans' theories and queries are always very challenging so you rock. I mean it. I wouldn't have thought that theory was plausable at all. But T is right, the proccess of elimination worked.

Well done and Terikan keep enlightening us please. I so love your threads. To the others who think Terikan always thinks he is right, usually he is. And we used to have some wonderful conversations/debates/arguments back in the old days. So love him or hate him that's our T and I wouldn't want him any other way.

love UT

Originally posted by Terikan
And then there's miam. While we've seen things possible with a remote transmitter, we've not seen neo do anything that would require miam, like flying around, punching through walls, etc. Now, I would give more arguments against miam, but we've all heard them before.

That leaves only one possibility. It's a simple matter of process of elimination.

well, we've had lots of time to observe the remote transmitter, but not much time to observe neo's new powers, like realone said. and neo's pretty much out of it in m3....from the looks of it. get beat up a lil by bane, in a coma, and blinded...supposedly. so he doesnt have much time to work to his full potential. the end will show....i think. and didnt you say that they have to be unplugged b4 they can go crazy? crazy: how they are in the matrix that we readily noe.

the transmitter doesnt really explain neo's ability to feel the sentinels tho. p.s. ive heard a bunch of arguments against miam too, but none that made much sense... i never quit, but debates are (almost) always fun.

awww, that's so sweet UT :)

Thus, this does not eliminate MIAM. Mostly, all I have heard for why there is no miam is because people don't like the idea. This also does not eliminate MIAM.

very true. But since mim doesn't really have much of a following here I don't bother trying to refute it.

awww....so you've sold out eh ?? ill never !!!!!!!! ill believe something else when i see it.

the transmitter doesnt really explain neo's ability to feel the sentinels tho.

well, sure it does, he is receiving information straight to his brain regarding their approach.

awww....so you've sold out eh ?? ill never !!!!!!!! ill believe something else when i see it

well, I never really believed miam, I just get sick and tired of people who laugh at it as if it's stupid.

yeah, i noe what you mean. lots of ppl label miam stupid, which is what makes me most angry. i never ever said that its definently gonna be true, however i believe so. but its definently not stupid. its the most backed up thoery and it pisses me off when ppl laugh at it.

the transmitter makes a lot of sense too tho. it makes sense...but it'd disapoint me if they explained that it was the transmitter. not as exciting. (or as most would say, less stupid but i disagree.)

a transmiter, eh Terikan? hmm...that theory's pretty good. :) But, I'm gonna stick with my own crazy theory.

Ok i'm sorry for calling MIAM stupid, its just I believe that can't be it, I don't know why but I just feel like thats not how its gonna be. First off, it would take way to long to explain whats happending with smith and smith/bane, and the battle for Zion. That would be totally hectic.

I believe there is something holding Neo back from his true powers, a.k.a. the true power of being able to use the matrix to control machines. They rely on the matrix, they are connected. If Neo has all that power inside of it, could you prove to me why he wouldn't be able to use it outside of it without having to come up with a theory like MIAM? Plus if you haven't noticed every script that is supposedly unreal that we have seen has something to do with Neo having his mind separated from his body. I believe that was the little remote key that he used. He has only begun to find out what he can do in the matrix. Thats how he is going to kill smith for good!

Originally posted by Oracle2.0
a transmiter, eh Terikan? hmm...that theory's pretty good. :) But, I'm gonna stick with my own crazy theory.
And what theory might that be?

i liked ur theory Unamuno ... it's the most convincing one ...
i think that too that the MIAM theory might be true too ... coz if the real world is another kind of the matrix then it's no problem for neo to brake its rules and for smith to hack into it in bane's body.

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
And what theory might that be?

my theory is that neo stopped the sentinels because of his connection with smith.

Originally posted by Oracle2.0
my theory is that neo stopped the sentinels because of his connection with smith.
Yeah i read about this theory, someone also said that smith stopped the sentinals because he wanted to kill Neo, he wanted to be the hero for the machines. Now maybe he wanted to be the one to kill Neo, thats quite understandable but being a hero to the machines dosen't seem like smith to me!

yeah, now THAT sounds crazy. I don't think it was smith, at least not him as a whole. I think that in m1 when Neo blew smith up or whatever, that's when the connection was formed "Maybe a part of you copied on to me, or vice versa" this connection caused Neo to be able to stop the sentinels, because the agents do have certain contacts with the machine "Deploy the sentinels"(or whatever he said) But Neo, being made of flesh, couldn't handle having this strange power, so he went into the coma to rebbot, which effected smith/bane, causing HIM to go into a coma also. And, judging by pics and previews from revolutions, their minds end up in the same place.

Originally posted by Oracle2.0
yeah, now THAT sounds crazy. I don't think it was smith, at least not him as a whole. I think that in m1 when Neo blew smith up or whatever, that's when the connection was formed "Maybe a part of you copied on to me, or vice versa" this connection caused Neo to be able to stop the sentinels, because the agents do have certain contacts with the machine "Deploy the sentinels"(or whatever he said) But Neo, being made of flesh, couldn't handle having this strange power, so he went into the coma to rebbot, which effected smith/bane, causing HIM to go into a coma also. And, judging by pics and previews from revolutions, their minds end up in the same place.
And what place might that be?

I don't remember. isn't it mentioned in Enter the Matrix or something? The oracle says that neo's mind is trapped or something. I dunno, anyone else know?

Yeah, the oracle says, "His mind is stuck in a place between your world, and ours"
Niobe:"Can we save him?"
Oracle:"Trinity can, but she is going to have to fight through hell to do it"
Man that gives me chills everytime i think of it. REVOLUTIONS IS GONNA RULE!

all right

Originally posted by agentGunn
all right
OH MY ****IN GOD CAN YOU NOT SPAM FOR ONCE FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
OH MY ****IN GOD CAN YOU NOT SPAM FOR ONCE FOR GODS SAKE!!!!!

yeah .. as if u're not ...

oops .. i am too :d

Agentgunn, I've seen u spam in other forums. u do know u can get in trouble for that, right?

anyways...

I just saw an M3 trailer in which Neo clearly makes one of the squiddy's bombs explode with his mind©©©©evidence for MIAM? maybe Neo is special in more than just the Matrix? He also looks at Bane and sees Agent Smith in a cool "codey" flaming visual©©©©maybe someone has a rational explaination?

Sry, I spam when i tell other people to stop spamming. But yeah that trailer freakin ruled and I think maybe smith got so powerful his code changed, or maybe they just did a cool CG for the heck of it. WHATEVER IT IS IT FREAKIN RULEZ!!!!!!!!

Geez, I saw another trailer on TV today....THIS MOVIE IS GONNA KICK @$$!!!! I can't wait! Seriously, I'm shaking with anticipation and I have over a month to wait still!!! AAAAHHHH, I can't take the tension! Oh well, m2 will be on dvd soon

Originally posted by agentGunn
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More content and less spam. You have been officially TAGGED.

Ok time for some 'report a post' 101. If you see a post that looks kind of off, might be spam or is offensive in any way, here's what you do (everyone say it with me now):

You - use - the - report - button ;).

Very good! *claps*

Let's look what happened, agentGunn spams, and instead of reporting the post and continuing the conversation about the topic at hand, 5 replies are posted about the spamming incident. Not only do we sidetrack a very good discussion, but we're littering the board with replies no one wants to hear about anyway.

Thanks for understanding my point :p.

OI, were you asleep dear one, TAG is the report button. That or chasing after you. Didn't you get it? Wakey that was me LOL>

Originally posted by CraHan
Ok time for some 'report a post' 101. If you see a post that looks kind of off, might be spam or is offensive in any way, here's what you do (everyone say it with me now):

You - use - the - report - button ;).

Very good! *claps*

Let's look what happened, agentGunn spams, and instead of reporting the post and continuing the conversation about the topic at hand, 5 replies are posted about the spamming incident. Not only do we sidetrack a very good discussion, but we're littering the board with replies no one wants to hear about anyway.

Thanks for understanding my point :p.
Ooops, I have always wondered what that button does. Hehehe and here comes the UA is a newb remarks. sry again

... waht did happenned ? how did he stopped the freaky sentinels ?

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seriously tho. ease up. its not like its ruining anything cause you gotta read "alright." whats ruining this forum is you whining about it.

True, sry bout it. Lets all just have fun...... and join this board


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If anyone seriously wants to know how Neo stopped the sentinels, I will tell them . . . he tried really hard. I mean, really hard.

I think it had something to do with the Neo-Smith connection. Neo went through his connection to Smith, Smith's connection to Zero 1 (the connection exists due to Smith copying over current Agents) and Zero 1's connection to control sentinals. He shut them off and then got caught in the connection.

I don't think he got caught in the connection, rather the stress and power was too great for his mind, so it had to recharge. And since Smith and Neo have the connection and Smith 'possessed' Bane, he went into the coma as well. So know Smith and Neo, wherever they are, are there together. *shiver goes up my spine*

It has been debated before and i believe the thing that Smith/Bane is carving in his hand is a symbol. A sign to show every machine that he is not what it seems. Either that or he has a special power as well as Neo cause he is connected to 01 as well....

I belive one of 3 things is possible...either:

1. Neo was a little knocked loose after he jacked out of the matrix..and for some dumb reason he thought he could stop the sentinals... He raised his hand...got shocked by one of the sentinals, and knocked in a coma. At the exact time he raised his hand, 'the hammmer' (niobie's ship) executed and emp and it knocked out the sentinals... OR!

2. Like the oracle said 'You have the sight now, Neo.' Maybe not only does Neo have 'the sight' in the real world, maybe he has some weird powers in the real world... Just like counselor said 'I have no idea why you can do the things you do, but I do know the reason' (or something like that...) Maybe Neo HAS to stop the machines...and the only way for the machines to stop is for Neo to have such powers to stop them... Noone knows how he has these great powers in the real world...just like noone understands how he can do all that stuff in the matrix...

3. The one theory I TRUELY hope isn't true...the 'onion' theory... The matrix is inside a matrix, inside a matrix, inside a matrix... (I really doubt this...the Wachowski Bros. will come up with somthing better than this... But, maybe their is no real world... Maybe inside the matrix (the one that we know is there) in 20** (what ever year) they will make AI, and there will be a matrix inside the matrix that we know of... Maybe this same thing has happened millions and billions of times... The Wachowski brothers came up with this exciting story, which there are literally unlimited possiblities! Maybe, it's not even a story at all........

The Hammer is NOT Niobe's ship. Niobe is captain of the Logos.

I, too, believe that the MiM would be too trite and it really doesn't make much sense.

The original movie strongly implies that human beings were always able to tell that their environment was artificial somehow, prompting the big question, "What is the Matrix?" Multiple layers would undoubtedly be overly complex, difficult to manage, and probably even easier to see through.

Neo obviously can do some things that he couldn't before, and while the MiM would be a good explanation, it's not entirely necessary. Human beings have been through a lot, and it's obvious that all of them are carrying lots of circuitry in their bodies to interact with the Matrix. (They've got more ports than a G5. Fortunately, there's no radio in the future.)

What concerns me is something about "the purpose of the One". It had to do with disseminating the code. But why? Why would the source need this? Could it be that the machines needed to grow from the experiences of human beings. He did say that the One reinserts the prime program. That makes very little sense. If he really is a man, how can he reinsert a program?

Anyway, apparently, they've got to let some go in order to keep the system safe, but why let them build a civilization a quarter million strong before destroying them? What if the humans got smart and actually built SEVERAL cities which were hidden? And just how badly could the pre-Matrix humans have damaged the surface to make it black and cold for CENTURIES at a time?

All good questions that will probably never be answered, even in m3

Originally posted by ThisIsNotReal
I belive one of 3 things is possible...either:

1. Neo was a little knocked loose after he jacked out of the matrix..and for some dumb reason he thought he could stop the sentinals... He raised his hand...got shocked by one of the sentinals, and knocked in a coma. At the exact time he raised his hand, 'the hammmer' (niobie's ship) executed and emp and it knocked out the sentinals... OR!

2. Like the oracle said 'You have the sight now, Neo.' Maybe not only does Neo have 'the sight' in the real world, maybe he has some weird powers in the real world... Just like counselor said 'I have no idea why you can do the things you do, but I do know the reason' (or something like that...) Maybe Neo HAS to stop the machines...and the only way for the machines to stop is for Neo to have such powers to stop them... Noone knows how he has these great powers in the real world...just like noone understands how he can do all that stuff in the matrix...

3. The one theory I TRUELY hope isn't true...the 'onion' theory... The matrix is inside a matrix, inside a matrix, inside a matrix... (I really doubt this...the Wachowski Bros. will come up with somthing better than this... But, maybe their is no real world... Maybe inside the matrix (the one that we know is there) in 20** (what ever year) they will make AI, and there will be a matrix inside the matrix that we know of... Maybe this same thing has happened millions and billions of times... The Wachowski brothers came up with this exciting story, which there are literally unlimited possiblities! Maybe, it's not even a story at all........
I'm just gonna pretend I didn't read all that and still kinda respect you.

Originally posted by ThisIsNotReal

1. Neo was a little knocked loose after he jacked out of the matrix..and for some dumb reason he thought he could stop the sentinals... He raised his hand...got shocked by one of the sentinals, and knocked in a coma. At the exact time he raised his hand, 'the hammmer' (niobie's ship) executed and emp and it knocked out the sentinals...
I'm sorry, but I literally laughed out loud at that one. 'little knocked loose'?
I've seen other thoeries about how Neo never stopped the squiddies, it was the Logos. If that were true, wouldn't that have effected the others(Link, etc.)?
Creative to call MIM an 'onion' theory, and like u, I really hope this DOES NOT turn out to be the case.

Im tellin you guys I know the answer you just must listen to me.... I cannot tell you how i know... I just do.

Originally posted by Oracle2.0
I'm sorry, but I literally laughed out loud at that one. 'little knocked loose'?
I've seen other thoeries about how Neo never stopped the squiddies, it was the Logos. If that were true, wouldn't that have effected the others(Link, etc.)?
Creative to call MIM an 'onion' theory, and like u, I really hope this DOES NOT turn out to be the case.

I don't understand why you think that theory is so funny? Why couldn't that have happened? Please, I'm just trying to understand...

Originally posted by Terikan
sullengirl, because it's impossible that neo was not responsible for those sentinels malfunctioning. Impossible. But, if you really believe that, then choose the option (I have my own theory...).

Not impossible, inevitable . . .


Couldn't resist.

Neo did it. If there was an EMP we would have seen it. I think we should just stop talking about it and wait for revolutions!

Originally posted by ThisIsNotReal
I don't understand why you think that theory is so funny? Why couldn't that have happened? Please, I'm just trying to understand...
the phrase 'was a little knocked loose', I just found it a little amusing

Yeah a little knocked loose isn't exactly a great basis for a theory!

neo did it because- his nature is as a hacker and cpu programmer, it is part of his code to have and innate nature of dominance over machines (he can manipulate the matrix and yet it's soooo special just because he stopped a few sentinels-plus he worked in the meta cortex building...and in m3 morpheus asks him if he really thougt that he was writing software for video games and such-he further tells neo that the machines have also been using humans in the matrix to write code 4 the matix itself(everyone at neo's job slash metacortex....spoiler-sorry) hey has anyone tried looking up what funtion the metacortex has in the human mind? i did...

by the way ph*k icy toast cause the term icy toast is just like him an oxyMORON...or better yet from now on, icymoron!!!! plus he's a little bit racist.. but that' okay-he'll awake soon enough, he is rather insightfull.

i'm new here and got attacked by some the forum that seem 2 think they own the site. it sucks but don't take it personal everybody has an opinion plus none of us know who tho other person is right? a little healthy conflict is good 4 a debate or else it would b nothin more tha a conversation! plus we are all here to applaud the wonderfull art that is the matrix. (tied with lord o t r's 4 best movie/trilogy of our generation) the 2nd str wrs trilogy was like michel jordan after retirement...tired. but unlike mj, it tarnished the whole legacy) by the way in the first neb scene in reloaded did anyone else see that pompus psuedo-intellectual named 'chicken terikan' drinking that bucket full of agent smith's panty syrup?

This is one of the most obvious things in the whole of the 2nd film...The scene with all the captains in the matrix - Neo leaves the meeting as he can feel smith and gets the package...he then fights the other agents then can feel Smith returning and does the superman thang...smith vs neo fight...he tells neo that he implanted some sort of human code into him...it's a theme running through the movie! if I may add my 2pence to the Teriyaki Chicken argument...he does seem rather bloated by his sense of his own importance...extoxicated with exuberance at the sound of his own verbosity, no doubt.

Neo and Smith overwrote each other. Some of Neo was imprinted onto Smith and vice versa. I don't care who believes me that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

The theory about The hammer destroying the sentinels is a load of crap...too stupid to be true. The MIAM, or "and then I woke up and it was all a dream" has been done millions of times in a hundred different movies...When the Matrix first came out it was soooo original, that there's no way that MIAM is gonna happen here...The real answer is the most obvious and yet, the most exciting one...Neo and Smith are linked to the pont where they share a part of each others mind...They are both in a coma and in the next movie we will see that they are 2 sides of the same metallic monetary bargaining tool, to coin a phrase - ha ha. Whoever said that Bane/Smith carved a sign in his hand to signal other machines is on crack, he did it to amuse himself with his 'real' body...
I don't mean to be rude to you, Teriakan as I spent a couple of weeks reading your comments before joining this website. I found many of them very interesting and you have done your research, but you need to loose the pomposity. Whether someone has posted a 1000 times or just once, their views should be considered as that is the purpose of a discussion. Unless they write a load of crap, of course...

The real answer is the most obvious and yet, the most exciting one...Neo and Smith are linked to the pont where they share a part of each others mind...They are both in a coma and in the next movie we will see that they are 2 sides of the same metallic monetary bargaining tool, to coin a phrase - ha ha.

How does both of them being in a coma link them to each other?

Do you really think it's just a coincidence on the part of the film-makers? You strange little man...Originally posted by Prodical Son
The real answer is the most obvious and yet, the most exciting one...Neo and Smith are linked to the pont where they share a part of each others mind...They are both in a coma and in the next movie we will see that they are 2 sides of the same metallic monetary bargaining tool, to coin a phrase - ha ha.

How does both of them being in a coma link them to each other?

i think that he somehow managed to pull up his powers from the matrix and used them to the machines, throwing him into a coma

Originally posted by Prodical Son
Neo and Smith overwrote each other. Some of Neo was imprinted onto Smith and vice versa. I don't care who believes me that's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Way to go on being closed minded. If thats what you were going for then congrats. YOU DID IT!

Hmmm, I'm probably completely missing something but isn't Neo and Agent Smith's connection the ability to emit EMPs outside of the Matrix...if you notice the captain's were talking about how Bain (smith) set off the EMPs way before it was supposed to go off, and Neo seems to have used EMP to shutdown the machines, and they both ended up in some sort of coma...

I like unknown's idea on how part of neo's mind is still in the Matrix...sounds like the most logical idea.

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
Way to go on being closed minded. If thats what you were going for then congrats. YOU DID IT!

No that's not what I was going for but I've put this theory up a few times and I've never seen anyone comment on it. Is it really that dumb an idea? I think it's a pretty good reason for their connection. So until Revolutions proves me wrong that's what I'm sticking with. Why do you think they are so similar?

hay im new at this site and hade toread this from page 1-5 and id like to say u guys ***** to much it's simple people have diffrent opinions and ya cant help that ok i presonaly belive that the thery of neo's mind is hooked up tothe matrix even if he is not physicly then he still has the abillity to affect the matrix hence he ****ed up the part that thous squidys where hooked up to this is my thery and havn't seen any others this is supported by the game in the fact of what the orical says and the game is ment to give a different side to M2 as told by the makers of it

Forgive me if this has already been brought up, but I haven't read the entire thread. Isn't Neo becoming more machine, and Angent Smith becoming more human? Wouldn't it then make sense that Neo would be able to communicate to the squidies to shut down? That's my first point.

I do like the idea of Neo and Bane both being able to transmit EMT's, in which case they were both knocked out and ended up in a coma. It seems to be sensible, although, how did they acquire that power? That's my question.

All these theories still don't allow for how Neo manages to blow up the squiddies' bombs in the Revolutions trailer, without falling unconscious.

With all due respect to the n00bs, there are people that regularly check and post on these boards that have been here since the beginning. Although we don't "own" the site, we have built up a community of sorts in which we all recognize each other's names in our posts, and respond accordingly. We have created friends and enemies, we respect each other as we are treated, and for the most part manage to keep the flaming to a minimum. If you newbies want to have any chance of being accepted into our community, don't come out flaming and dissing and blowing off people whom you don't even know. Calling someone a sh!thead, idiot, etc. is not going to earn you respect on these boards.

Xibit...punctuation, spelling, grammar......learn them.

Originally posted by UnbrokenMirror
All these theories still don't allow for how Neo manages to blow up the squiddies' bombs in the Revolutions trailer, without falling unconscious.

With all due respect to the n00bs, there are people that regularly check and post on these boards that have been here since the beginning. Although we don't "own" the site, we have built up a community of sorts in which we all recognize each other's names in our posts, and respond accordingly. We have created friends and enemies, we respect each other as we are treated, and for the most part manage to keep the flaming to a minimum. If you newbies want to have any chance of being accepted into our community, don't come out flaming and dissing and blowing off people whom you don't even know. Calling someone a sh!thead, idiot, etc. is not going to earn you respect on these boards.

Xibit...punctuation, spelling, grammar......learn them.

Yeah I hear what you're saying but that's no reason for someone like Unknown Anomaly to attack me for posting somethind that I believe. I know that little name under my avatar says that I'm not a noob any more but I am in every sense of the word. It just seems like people that have been here longer don't like to talk to people that haven't which I can understand because you've prolly heard everything but us newbies don't know that. I'm not trying to make enemies here but if i keep getting bashed i'm gonna respond in the same way.

it sucks:cool:

From what I'm hearing, it would appear I was right all along...

Neo is the anomole created by the matrix. He has the power and ability to change the matrix as he sees fit because he is directly linked to it. Therefore.........he has the ability to affect the Matrix from the outside because he is the glitched PART OF IT.

~sorry i didnt have time to put that last part in bold :D ~