During M1 and M2, several characters are seen in code - the Agents, Neo, Trinity, the woman in Merovingian's restaurant, and Seraph. However, out of all these individuals, Seraph's coding is distinctly different. When Neo first approaches Seraph, Seraph is seen, in code, sitting cross-legged, and he is glowing.
Considering that Seraph makes significant appearances in the Revolutions trailers, I think this distinct coding is important. Does anyone have any ideas on why he glows in this capacity? Originally posted by TheRealOne
During M1 and M2, several characters are seen in code - the Agents, Neo, Trinity, the woman in Merovingian's restaurant, and Seraph. However, out of all these individuals, Seraph's coding is distinctly different. When Neo first approaches Seraph, Seraph is seen, in code, sitting cross-legged, and he is glowing.
Considering that Seraph makes significant appearances in the Revolutions trailers, I think this distinct coding is important. Does anyone have any ideas on why he glows in this capacity?
probally becuase he is an older program Yeah, most people believe he glows because he is either an angel, or a program from the original heaven matrix. Why would an older program glow? Why would a program such as Seraph, one that protects, be needed in the "original heaven matrix?" also asked myself why he glows... have no idea Do you think Seraph glows for the same reason that the door that leads to the Architect glows - because you must first get past Seraph to get to the Mother of the Matrix (The Oracle), just like you need to get past the glowing door to get to the Father of the Matrix (The Architect). There are 1 of two possible explanations.
Seraph is from the heaven version, the first one that was created. Why you need a protector? I don't know, but heaven had seraphs, so that's just how it is.
Or, they did not show oracles code, mero's code, or persephone's code for a reason, because it glowed too. Basically, these programs are programs not from the matrix at all, but from the machine world. I know, most people don't get this, but yes, there is a machine world, like zion's opposite. The matrix is in the middle of the two. Programs from the machine world can jack into the matrix just like people from zion can. Some are exiled there and can never leave. When the oracle says 'they either go to the source, or they come HERE', HERE means the matrix, not that damn park they were sitting in. After reading through the comments and doing some outside research, I too believe that Seraph glows because he is an "angelic" program. A Seraph is a type of Angel, as noted in the book of Isiah. Literally translated, Seraph means "the burning ones." Thus, Seraph is a "burning angel."
During M2, Seraph says that he protects that which matters most, which we assume is the Oracle. The question then arises: is the Oracle the true creator/god of the Matrix? The Architect does mention during his dialogue that an intuitive program with a lesser mind stumbled upon a solution for the Matrix where 99.9% of all test subjects would accept the program, and that this program would be considered the Mother of the Matrix. Taken into consideration, this implies that the Oracle is the creator of the current Matrix. Thus, she has helped to enslave the human species and Neo should not have trusted her. Originally posted by TheRealOne
During M1 and M2, several characters are seen in code - the Agents, Neo, Trinity, the woman in Merovingian's restaurant, and Seraph. However, out of all these individuals, Seraph's coding is distinctly different. When Neo first approaches Seraph, Seraph is seen, in code, sitting cross-legged, and he is glowing.
Considering that Seraph makes significant appearances in the Revolutions trailers, I think this distinct coding is important. Does anyone have any ideas on why he glows in this capacity?
He could glow cause he some type of special program cause doesn't he protect people like the Oracle? and doing some outside research
lol, like what?
no, my explanation is correct. sorry, end of topic, no more posting silly little theories like 'cause he's an angelic program'. Why does Seraph glow?
Because he can! I think he glows couse he wants to!! Maybe there is no reason!!! He doesn't just glow. If you pay attention, you see bits of code moving towards him, like he's attracting it. Originally posted by TheRealOne
During M1 and M2, several characters are seen in code - the Agents, Neo, Trinity, the woman in Merovingian's restaurant, and Seraph. However, out of all these individuals, Seraph's coding is distinctly different. When Neo first approaches Seraph, Seraph is seen, in code, sitting cross-legged, and he is glowing.
Considering that Seraph makes significant appearances in the Revolutions trailers, I think this distinct coding is important. Does anyone have any ideas on why he glows in this capacity?
Seraph is hebrew for angel.
The golden glowing encoding means that he is not a regular person or machine - his coding is unique. He can probably operate on a totally different basis than anyone else in the matrix.
I'm not sure what I'm saying here. I just think it has something to do with non-conformism or spirituallity that brings him to higher level.
I'll post here again after I organise my thoughts. Seraph was from the 'heaven' version of the matrix (I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet) and he hasn't been erased. : ) : ) : ) Originally posted by Terikan
no, my explanation is correct. sorry, end of topic, no more posting silly little theories like 'cause he's an angelic program'.
On most threads I see you post on, you seem to think you are completely right. That's fine to think that way but who are you to tell others that their theories are wrong without proving it? don't need to prove that things are wrong when it's just obvious. this is perfect.. try to find my post.. A MATRIX DREAM. it will explain ;) Originally posted by I am the two
Seraph was from the 'heaven' version of the matrix (I'm surprised you haven't figured that out yet) and he hasn't been erased. : ) : ) : )
What's the heaven version of the matrix?
Are you talking about the first "perfect" version of the matrix?
And wht would that make him glow, anyway?
I think it probably has more to do with spirituality, maybe with Buddhism. I think we might find out that Seraph is a machine after all, but that's just a stab in the dark. Originally posted by freeyourmind
Seraph is hebrew for angel.
The golden glowing encoding means that he is not a regular person or machine - his coding is unique. He can probably operate on a totally different basis than anyone else in the matrix.
I'm not sure what I'm saying here. I just think it has something to do with non-conformism or spirituallity that brings him to higher level.
I'll post here again after I organise my thoughts.
I think that this one makes the most sense. He obviously has to be operating on a different level, cause he proabaly could have kicked Neo's ass, but that wasn't the point of the fight. If they were fighting cause they were enemies, Neo would have gotten the **** beaten out of his anus.
And sorry Terikan, but he's more than an exile program because if he was, he wouldn't be able to fight Neo that well. You're wrong on this one.
You say you know everything. Well that's blasphemy, one of the worst sins. I wouldn't be surprised if a lightning bolt came out the sky and vaporized you right now. lol, just kidding. seraph is/was a firewall.
he protects "that which matters most" seraph is/was a firewall.
he protects "that which matters most"
Nice, very nice... That which matters most is not the Oracle but the answers she holds. It is not up to Seraph to protect the Oracle; he is there to protect the code that is the Matrix. If the Oracle knows enough about the Matrix that she found a way that 99.9% of those inserted into the Matrix would accept the program, then she also knows it's secrets and how to break it! That is what the Seraph is protecting!
He isn't anything spiritual, Buddhist, etc.; he exists only in a programmed world. He is a program! How can something created possess spiritual powers?!?! By golly I think you're right netorius! Seraph is a firewall, a protective program. While I think the names in the trilogy are something to think about on a much deeper level, I think Seraph is simply a firewall, despite the angelic parallels.
Assuming this is right and that Seraph is a protective program like a firewall, then we should also assume that the Oracle is an intuitive program. But, what exactly is an intuitive program? Seraph is a firewall, He "protects that which matters most"
In the Trailer, Morpheus says "he fights for us" and we see seraph fighting and in pictures with Morpheus etc and fighting.
He is "fights for us" because he is protecting the matrix, and teams up with the "crew" to protect it against Smiths attempt to end it. "to get out of this place" Smith is willing to end his own existence to "get out of this place" A.K.A. commit suicide.
Suicide is a recurring theme. or at least the "concept" of willing to loose everything. the Leap of Faith that "the Kid" took. etc.
None of them can "end the matrix" on their own.
Neo, Smith, etc.
There will be some form of alliance where Neo, Smith, Seraph et. al. team up and "END IT" on mutually rewarding terms,,, smith gets his freedom, Seraph, can still protect the matrix, "at least some form of it" and Neo and the gang get freedom.
or something like that. He is a special program. So he glows because it's a special different code that Neo sees when he is looking at Serpah. Or it might just be the tea (green or something) that he drinks that makes him glow. lol :D For those of you who DONT know what seraph is... read my sig. Second of all, Seraph is a different type of code because he is from the Heaven form of the matrix (so is the oracle... she has seen all 6 one's). neo: and you are a program from the machine world, and so is seraph.
oracle: that's right.
that's basically the conversation. so umm, why are we theorizing when they give it to us in plain frickin english? w t f
nothing in the matrix is a machine, is it? they are programs right?
the oracle and seraph are both programed from the machine world. they siad that. the agents are programs, they're green. so, not all things like that glow. the cake kinda glowed to, but it was never in the previous matrix's, was it? oh dear.
ok, agents are programs from the matrix. they were born and live and die in the matrix. So is almost every other program currently inhabiting the matrix.
But, some programs are not from the matrix, they are from the machine world. That means they at one time inhabited a machine, or did some other sort of non-matrix work for the machines. Either through exile or hacking (just like neo does) they have made their way into the matrix.
Their code looks different because it is written in a different language than 'matrix code'. Did you ever see the code for mero, persephone, or the oracle? nope. explain why all the humans are still green then. they're not from the matrix either, yet they are the same way. they are BORN outside the matrix. they arent always part of it. they can live inside or outside, unlike agents. unlike anything in the matrix. they're the same green color. you said, almost everything in the matrix is going to live and die in the matrix, most of them at least, and i agree with that. but humans can live outside the matrix, JUST THE SAME as how you're trying to explain seraphs glow. they can leave the matrix, becuz they we at first not part of it. everything else is part of the system, but the humans are not. its like inserting a CD into your computer. the programming is there, but its not in the system. take the CD out, the info is gone. so, just explain why the humans are still green, with your theory in mind. humans are set up to run on the matrix, but they are still written in a language different than the matrix code. same with seraph, with your explaination in mind. he's set up to run on the matrix, but he can leave.
hey, i bet smith's code is gold now too. think about it. I dont think that seraph is a program if you pay attention in reloaded the oracle never says if shes a program or not she just says "so far so good" to neo but she does admit to being a program.he may be a program though. We have to keep in mind that Seraph is very special because he is the only one to challenge Neo which makes me think hes a former one(I know everyone thinks that everyone is a former one). The merovigian and other programs dont glow its just seraph. Neo has a puzzled look on his face when he sees seraphs code showing that hes never seen anything like it before. After receiving feedback from others, I'm convinced that Seraph is a firewall program. That is why he glows and that is why his purpose is to protect.
I think the name Seraph was given to him to give the deeper thinkers something to think about. Listen, all the people like neo and trin are green because their avatars were created in the matrix the moment that they hacked in. Their shells are generated, they aren't a part of them. The programs from the machine world are different. They are actually made out of code, unlike neo and company.
Neo has a puzzled look on his face when he sees seraphs code showing that hes never seen anything like it before.
That's because he hasn't. He got his code vision at the end of M1. Since then he had seen no other 'programs from the machine world'. He sees seraph before he sees the oracle, persephone, or the merovingian. Do not forget that Neo saw agents encoded in M1. These agents did not look like Seraph, they looked like everyone else we have seen encoded. You think? They aren't from the machine world, they are from the matrix. We can argue this until dawn, but the Oracle adopts Neo's assertion that Seraph is a program. Therefore, I do not think he is a machine or a former machine. He is a program, albeit a special program. are you saying seraph is just like a sentinel (or any other machine for that matter) that is just jacked into the matrix?
this may sound nerdy, but this would help me to understand what you're trying to say:
is seraph like a cd rom, where he is like neo. he's in the matrix for the time he is jacked in. or is he on the hard drive? like a normal agent, or crows, for example.
cause i dont think seraph ever leaves the matrix, does he? i was previoulsy speaking hypothetically. He may not leave the matrix now, but at one time he was not in the matrix, yes.
So yes, it's like if a sentinel went and jacked into the matrix. I dont think the oracle persophene or anyone else has code like seraph if they did they would have pointed it out and neo would also be puzzled to see the oracle with the same code. Your'e saying that the oracle, persophene,and the merovigian have the same code as seraph like its a fact when you have no proof whatsoever.They showed seraph code to show that his code was different from anyone else in the matrix. And how do know that neo hadnt seen the oracle since M1 Because, neo wants to find out more about what he is supposed to do, but he can't because he can't find the oracle until the scene in M2.
And no, I have no proof, but after neo sees the code once, why would he be surprised to see it again?
And why would they just show you everyone's code? They want to make you wonder and think about it. seraph is the first person he sees like that (special, or whatever you want to call it. like the oracle and merovingain etc.) in code. so he is obviously suprised cause its the first time he's seen gold code. he wouldnt be AS suprised if he say it again. Why is everyone arguing over nothing. I thought we were talking about Serpah anyway?
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