The Merovingian's Intentions

Two relevant questions arise regarding the Mero. The first question is: Who is that man being escorted away from the Mero's restaurant?

First, I think the man being escorted away is the program responsible for time (if you listen, you will hear a very distinct sound of a cuckoo clock as he is being escorted away). After Neo is offered something to eat or drink by the Merovingian and Neo refuses, the Merovingian says: "Yes, of course, who has time? Who has time? But then if we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time?" Just at the Merovingian took the Keymaker, the program that gains entry into secured locations in the Matrix, it is likely that the Mero also took the "Timekeeper," the program responsible for the logical flow of events in the Matrix. If you have not noticed, Reloaded seemed to be obsessed with time. At one point, the Merovingian says "[The fortune teller's] time is almost up." Further, earlier in Reloaded, after Neo explains to the Oracle that he can see Trinity falling, the Oracle explains to Neo that he is now looking at the world without time. Additionally, do not forget that the first scene in Reloaded focuses on a clock.

The second relevant question is: Why would the Mero want the Keymaker and the Timekeeper? Undisputably, we know that the Keymaker is needed to enter the source. So one can only assume that the Mero wants to enter the source. But why? Well, the combo of Neo and Trinity seems to be a later, yet earlier, version of the Merovingian and Persephone. After all, Persephone does mention that Neo reminds her of the Mero long ago and it is obvious that Persephone was in love with the Mero just like Neo is now in love Trinity. However, the Mero's love for Persephone has soured (that is why the Mero now seeks infidelity).

If you really consider the parallels, the Mero probably ended up with Persephone by doing the same things that Neo did. The Mero probably entered the source and followed the same path as Neo - he saved Persephone from death, just as Neo saved Trinity from death. Of course, now, years later, the Mero is no longer madly in love with Persephone, and regrets living a "life" in exile. For this reason, the Mero seeks the Timekeeper (to turn back time - to the time when the Mero originally entered the source) and seeks the the Keymaker (to enter the source and to change the decision made years ago).

This idea is further supported by Neo's comment, after Neo scanned the "code" of the the building that houses the Mero's restaurant, that the building is rigged with expolosives. This indicates that the Mero's restaurant is within the building that leads to the "source." If so, this shows that the Mero is positioning himself close to the source. Based on this, I would presume that the Mero now seeks to make a different decision.

Apropos, this would confirm why the Mero is so upset that Neo wants the Keymaker. After all, Neo does not know why he wants the Keymaker. The Mero wants the Keymaker because he wants to make an educated decision, not one that has been manipulated by teh Architect.

This is a really interesting- and convincing!- theory. But wouldn't Le Vrai now be destroyed by the explosion of 'the source' building? I know this doesn't impact your idea at all, but this would certainly ruin the Merovingian's plans somewhat. What do you think we can expect from Revolutions?

Of course, the idea that the Mero. is a former one also means that Neo must be a program. And if he is an old One, then how do humans become programs? Surely it wouldn't be possible? Unless the humans are already programs to begin with- but if that was so, then why write a rebel program?

This is a new thory I havn't heard before however I think it might be too complicated to put in revolutions if they want to show the battle for Zion as well. This could however still be a very likely theory.

Originally posted by TheRealOne
Two relevant questions arise regarding the Mero. The first question is: Who is that man being escorted away from the Mero's restaurant?

First, I think the man being escorted away is the program responsible for time (if you listen, you will hear a very distinct sound of a cuckoo clock as he is being escorted away). After Neo is offered something to eat or drink by the Merovingian and Neo refuses, the Merovingian says: "Yes, of course, who has time? Who has time? But then if we do not ever take time, how can we ever have time?" Just at the Merovingian took the Keymaker, the program that gains entry into secured locations in the Matrix, it is likely that the Mero also took the "Timekeeper," the program responsible for the logical flow of events in the Matrix. If you have not noticed, Reloaded seemed to be obsessed with time. At one point, the Merovingian says "[The fortune teller's] time is almost up." Further, earlier in Reloaded, after Neo explains to the Oracle that he can see Trinity falling, the Oracle explains to Neo that he is now looking at the world without time. Additionally, do not forget that the first scene in Reloaded focuses on a clock.

The second relevant question is: Why would the Mero want the Keymaker and the Timekeeper? Undisputably, we know that the Keymaker is needed to enter the source. So one can only assume that the Mero wants to enter the source. But why? Well, the combo of Neo and Trinity seems to be a later, yet earlier, version of the Merovingian and Persephone. After all, Persephone does mention that Neo reminds her of the Mero long ago and it is obvious that Persephone was in love with the Mero just like Neo is now in love Trinity. However, the Mero's love for Persephone has soured (that is why the Mero now seeks infidelity).

If you really consider the parallels, the Mero probably ended up with Persephone by doing the same things that Neo did. The Mero probably entered the source and followed the same path as Neo - he saved Persephone from death, just as Neo saved Trinity from death. Of course, now, years later, the Mero is no longer madly in love with Persephone, and regrets living a "life" in exile. For this reason, the Mero seeks the Timekeeper (to turn back time - to the time when the Mero originally entered the source) and seeks the the Keymaker (to enter the source and to change the decision made years ago).

This idea is further supported by Neo's comment, after Neo scanned the "code" of the the building that houses the Mero's restaurant, that the building is rigged with expolosives. This indicates that the Mero's restaurant is within the building that leads to the "source." If so, this shows that the Mero is positioning himself close to the source. Based on this, I would presume that the Mero now seeks to make a different decision.

Apropos, this would confirm why the Mero is so upset that Neo wants the Keymaker. After all, Neo does not know why he wants the Keymaker. The Mero wants the Keymaker because he wants to make an educated decision, not one that has been manipulated by teh Architect.

Excellent theory!
While watching Reloaded for the 5th time last Sunday, I also noticed that statement about Time by The Merovingian. To further strengthen your theory, I'll add that after The Merovingian finished saying that, we see a quick shot of The Twins grinning knowingly/approvingly. As if there was more to the line than just the traditional saying about Time. You know? Like: "How can I control Time if I don't grab hold of the Timekeeper? Oh, that's the one being led away behind you, guys!"
Another point strengthening your theory about the man being led out of the restaurant (some speculate his name is Rama Kandra) is somehow connected with Time is that in the Enter The Matrix game is has been observed that he's wearing multiple watches. I haven't seen it myself, but I remember someone saying in some thread in the ETM section. Another clue is his line (in ETM) about "72 hours" - again related to Time.

An excellent observation and positing. I may not agree that much about Mero once being a One or that La Vrai was in the Source's building (it looked pretty deserted-but anyway who knows for sure?) but the rest makes perfect sense.
TimeKeeper and Keymaker...interestingly they represent an almost god-like power...I take back an earlier statement that Mero was merely grasping at meaningless bits of power and fortune. Watches keeping track of Time and Keys to Doors leading everywhere-this mirrors essentially the all-encompassing Eternity/Infinity combination!
Another thing-its a coincidence that I was pondering Mero's words sometime ago. What he said was really a lesson to all of us, not just talking about the matrix. I've only now (how slow of me :p) hit upon the full meaning. How often do we pass up a walk down the beach or a nice long talk or a stargazing session with our loved ones feeling we don't have the time and that somehow life would just roll by uncontrollably if we indulged just for a moment? Well he's surprisingly right in all his arrogance...take your time, savour it-if we don't take it then we don't have it-literally and figuratively brilliant! Good one TRM!!

I just have some thoughts. When Neo beats all of the Merovingian warriors, the Mero doesn't even think about fighting him (if he was an older one, he could fight really well, don't him? or why did he got surprised when he stop the bullets?), but the most important thing, the Mero said "Mark my words young man, mark them well. I've survived your ANTECESORS and i'll survive you." So, as you see, it's kind of difficult for the Mero to be an older One. About the time, i like the idea of that guy being the timekeeper, but i think it is hard to know untill M3, so, it's your choice.

I'm also reluctant to think of The Merovingian as a previous One.
I think all 5 previous Ones are dead. Doesn't The Merovingian's exiting line imply it? "I survived your predecessors, and I'll survive you!".

Oh, and btw.: Just returned home from my 6th viewing of Reloaded. Now I noticed that cuckoo sound in the scene, where the "Timekeeper" is being led past Neo in The Merovingian's restaurant. I wouldn't call it "very distinct". I detected it only because I was told it was there, otherwise I would never have registered it...but it's there alright!

the timekeeper theory is cute. persephone and the merovingian are very similar to trinity and neo. a powerful man coupled with a beautiful women. i have a hard time believing that the merovingian was a previous one tho. its not completely far-fetched however. many facts lead to this conclusoin. but the merovingian is a program, and that would mean neo is a program as well. and if neo is a program that would mean that trinity is a program as well (becuz persephone is a program). and that would mean morhpeus is a program as well. and that would mean that everyone is a program.

i believe that the merovingian's had personal intentions with the keymaker and (perhaps) the timekeeper, but i dont beleive he's ever been a one.

Umm yeah ime with ic3 on this one. I personally think that people are delving themselves into the scenes a little too much. I think the guy being led out just showed that the merovingian was powerful. Aslo, if the Mero was a previous one, he would have to be part of zion and outside the matrix. And he isnt in the same area as the source, because the floor on his level of the building was wired.

The cuckoo clock sound was intentional and somewhat significant. Otherwise, the argument would be that the clock sound only implied that this guy being led away was crazy (that he was cuckoo). However, this would not make any sense - as it would not be later explained that there was crazy man in the Mero's restaurant that was crazy and needed to be led away.

The man being led away must be associated with time, thus the sound effects.

The Merovingian is the leader of all the rogue-program and he has power, what does he wants? more power! control of the backdoor or even the Source, that is what he wants.
Furthermore there is absolutely no proof that he is a former One.
And the man lead away is The Timekeeper what a nonsense, the name Timekeeper is mentioned nowhere in the story, the game, internet or whatsoever. The time-theory is a good one, but that man the Timekeeper, right!
The cuckooclock could also indicate that they arrive at that exact time the Oracle mentioned before.

The name "Timekeeper" was simply a label to describe the cuckoo clock guy. On another note, if in fact Neo is "the One," there is evidence that Mero was also "the One." After all, Persephone does mention that Neo reminds her of the Mero long ago and it is obvious that Persephone was in love with the Mero just like Trinity is now in love with Neo.

By no means is this theory the strongest on the boards, but it does have some support.

If it is correct, it makes a few things fall into place. It shows that Neo's choice was the wrong choice and that this choice must be remedied.

Wow, this theory (as many others) is excellent! :) Hmmm, I wonder how Timekeeper manages to control the time, and what does it look like..

It may not be time per se but the control/record of it keymaker? The Timekeeper may be a form of control of the speed of time in the Matrix (translating everythin' electronic to a more human, slow speed?) or maybe a record of the history of events since the first matrix-perhaps the Mero may not know as much as he thinks? All this is conjecture of course but I do find it hard to believe he'd control time itself...

I like the timekeeper idea, but why would mero need it?

It would be dumb if time could control the function of time in our minds, and it definitely won't impact the affairs outside the matrix.

You have to remember, if he has the timekeeper, then the timekeeper that he has is obsolete in some way and has been exiled. So his ability to control time in the matrix would be counteracted by whatever new program is in place. However, there may be other things he can do with it. Maybe it's some way of capturing neo, maybe make him move too slow to escape hehe, I dunno.

yap .. u convinced me .. m gonna watch it again !!

It's a keymaker.

there's a thread that shows that is very unliklye that the guy at the restaurant and the ETM pshyco are the same with pictures to compare. This theory looks nice, but wouldn't agree on the reason for the Merovingian to go back in time to restore his love, it could be a reason for Persephone, the Mero would want it just to have more power. Adding to the name of the thread I should say that Smith and Mero have a aliance, and Smith was the one suppossed to go into the source, just couldn't find it on time.

Originally posted by leo_one
there's a thread that shows that is very unliklye that the guy at the restaurant and the ETM pshyco are the same with pictures to compare.

leo_one, I don't think the guy at the restaurant and the ETM psycho are the same guy. This theory involves Mero's reasons for detaining the Keymaker and the guy who is being led out of Mero's restaurant (who I refer to as the Timekeeper).

In M1, Thomas Anderson's apartment number is 101. When Neo and the crew visit the Mero at his restaurant, the number 101 is displayed above the host.

i think the Mero was a powerful program that was like the oracle in the first version of the matrix (not M1, but the first of the six version).

the oracle was brought in to fix the flaws in the matrix and therefore renfered him useless. i.e.: no purpose.

as the oracle said, when a program faces deletion, he usually choses exile in the matrix.

this is what the mero has done.

just as neo stole smith's purpose, and therefore smith wants to rid neo of his purpose - the mero wants to rid oracle of her purpose... ."...tell her that her time is almost up"

-sceptre

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Originally posted by Matrixio
Excellent theory!
While watching Reloaded for the 5th time last Sunday, I also noticed that statement about Time by The Merovingian. To further strengthen your theory, I'll add that after The Merovingian finished saying that, we see a quick shot of The Twins grinning knowingly/approvingly. As if there was more to the line than just the traditional saying about Time. You know? Like: "How can I control Time if I don't grab hold of the Timekeeper? Oh, that's the one being led away behind you, guys!"
Another point strengthening your theory about the man being led out of the restaurant (some speculate his name is Rama Kandra) is somehow connected with Time is that in the Enter The Matrix game is has been observed that he's wearing multiple watches. I haven't seen it myself, but I remember someone saying in some thread in the ETM section. Another clue is his line (in ETM) about "72 hours" - again related to Time.

Yes in ETM Ghost has just gone back through the phone line and Niobe has to hang up the phone to allow the operator to call right? Well she just stands there, she has this expression of wonder, as if she feels something. Then this crazy looking bum comes forth from the shadows and says "72 hours" Niobe replys with "What did you just say?" then the (who i believe is) the timekeeper returns this with "Thats how long the last zion lasted last time." Niobe says "Who are you?" He says "Me? I'm just a spectator enjoying the ride" And the video is over. Then i saw some revolutions pics that they have the so called 'Time Keeper' now i know for a fact that the one in the movie, and the one in ETM look nothing alike. But as there are more than one agents for the same purpose, what if there are two programs such as 'Time Keepers' for the same purpose? Now your theory is freakin amazing, but The One is strictly human. The mero. could be jealous and wants to be The One, i don't know. And you wanna know something, either the Revolutions is gonna be long as hell and tell us so much and blow our minds away. Or the W bros are gonna let us interpret it for ourselves. I hope that they will tell us whats going on in detail.

Now that's way too heavy on the theory part...we're not sure anything here can be thought on so far. These are just speculation, and I'll admit theories like MiM actually have more arguable basis (though I hope nobody starts talking of THAT again :D)

AMen, thats the most rediculous thing i have ever heard, well maybe not really rediculous but just really a theory that was based on something that is easily explaind.

Awesome im the first one to post on the second page...hehe...

Originally posted by TheRealOne
If you have not noticed, Reloaded seemed to be obsessed with time. At one point, the Merovingian says "[The fortune teller's] time is almost up." Further, earlier in Reloaded, after Neo explains to the Oracle that he can see Trinity falling, the Oracle explains to Neo that he is now looking at the world without time. Additionally, do not forget that the first scene in Reloaded focuses on a clock.




I agree, time is a big factor in Reloaded. Also, if you play Enter The Matrix, you'll also notice that their are clocks and references to time all over the place. Like in the Post Office levels, there are clocks in a lot of places, and even a clock above the door that you must go through to escape the building. Another example is the airport, in the big lobby area there is a huge clock in the center of it.

Originally posted by Neo is The One
I agree, time is a big factor in Reloaded. Also, if you play Enter The Matrix, you'll also notice that their are clocks and references to time all over the place. Like in the Post Office levels, there are clocks in a lot of places, and even a clock above the door that you must go through to escape the building. Another example is the airport, in the big lobby area there is a huge clock in the center of it.
I read somewhere on here a theory that the guy being walked out of the mero's building was the future neo and that he came back in time because he made the wron decision and was telling persepone not to let Neo have the keymaker.

Hmmm.......I've never heard that theory before. Interesting.....

Originally posted by Neo is The One
Hmmm.......I've never heard that theory before. Interesting.....
Yeah its kewl you should check it out
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Originally posted by MacLeod
Now that's way too heavy on the theory part...we're not sure anything here can be thought on so far. These are just speculation, and I'll admit theories like MiM actually have more arguable basis (though I hope nobody starts talking of THAT again :D)
I know, i was stating that anything was true or untrue. EVEN THOUGH A MIM DOSEN'T EXIST!!! I was just making a suggestion!

Originally posted by UnknownAnomaly
I read somewhere on here a theory that the guy being walked out of the mero's building was the future neo and that he came back in time because he made the wron decision and was telling persepone not to let Neo have the keymaker.

The problem I see with this theory is visual. If you take a look at the guy being led away, he is wearing a sweater-vest. Not even Neo would make this fashion mistake.

lol. He was just a little cold.

Originally posted by TheRealOne
The problem I see with this theory is visual. If you take a look at the guy being led away, he is wearing a sweater-vest. Not even Neo would make this fashion mistake.
Very true. I never really did believe that theory. But it was a pretty kewl little story thing to read, all about time traveling and such. Im really into that (even though I doubt i will live to see the day it happens) one can still hope!

lol!-but ya gotta be crazy! The Matrix is complex enough without Time thrown into the picture...can you imagine the possibilities? The Arc harnessing time to correct his errors, kill all who would become threats...or humans going back to before AI was even invented! :D

I never said it would work, I just said it would be pretty kewl. But I would rather see what the W bros have in mind.

imagine go back in time before the humans created AI, then kill the developer of this AI and voila the Matrix never existed.
But if the Matrix didn't exist, then timetravelling wasn't possible, so you couldn't go back to the past to stop AI being developped. Therefore AI will be developed and The Matrix will be created, but then you go back and prevent that from happening....

AAAAH, my head! Please help.

Originally posted by TheSpectator
imagine go back in time before the humans created AI, then kill the developer of this AI and voila the Matrix never existed.
But if the Matrix didn't exist, then timetravelling wasn't possible, so you couldn't go back to the past to stop AI being developped. Therefore AI will be developed and The Matrix will be created, but then you go back and prevent that from happening....

AAAAH, my head! Please help.
LIE DOWN BEFORE YOU HURT YOURSELF! Dude that was deep. Your quite a smarty pants my friend. Keep that noggin a going.
But about your theory. Thats why time travel hasn't happend, if they did invent it, they would realize how bad it could make things.