Is hacker cooler than programmer?

Who do you think is cooler? Is more cool to write a matrix or to write a program that destroys it?

hacking. but i think it's cooler before you leave the matrix, cause then it's more like ur actaully doing something wrong.

Hacking definitely. There's probably reasons to be a programmer of a matrix, but I'd just rather free everyone. But I suppose if you think of all the power you'd have creating a matrix... But I'd still get rid of them all.

Hackers are programmers gone bad. I only like them when they're fighting evil coorporations like the architect's gang and Microsoft.

'Microsoft' LOL

Originally posted by freeyourmind
Hackers are programmers gone bad. I only like them when they're fighting evil coorporations like the architect's gang and Microsoft.
What have you got against Microsoft?

I can't decide, I like both, so no vote from me. Both should be an option though. Programming cause I can have a lot of power, hacking becuase I can destroy my enemies valued stuff, and earn respect. People respect you becuase they are afraid you'll hack them if they don't do what you want them to do. Hmm, I guess hacking is somewhat better, but I still like both.

Originally posted by Oracle2.0
'Microsoft' LOL
I'm dead serious.

Originally posted by I am the two
What have you got against Microsoft?
Just about everything. But mainly Xbox and Internet Explorer. Them people are evil...

Well - I think, that hackers aren't programmers that went bad, but programmers are hackers that went good... (look at this post - everyone wants to be hacker first).

Good hacker never tolds anyone that he's hacker, so your friends will not be afraid you'll hack them - the would not know you're hacker.

And last: Hackers aren't destroying anything. The attack the sever (or anything else), take the information (you e-mail's pwd), delete themselves from logs, and quietly leave. If the attack is done well - noone will never find out you were there. Those whoose are destroying are crackers.

How do I know? I was TRYING to hack. So, I was a lamer (but not hacker).

And also: Isn't much harder to write a server that cannot be attacked than attack some server? Noone made server like that - it's programmer would be the real One, wouldn't he (she)?

Originally posted by freeyourmind
Hackers are programmers gone bad. I only like them when they're fighting evil coorporations like the architect's gang and Microsoft.

programmers are cool lol i voted programmers b/c they don't screw things up they can actually think straight

Originally posted by SullenGiRLaFa
programmers are cool lol i voted programmers b/c they don't screw things up they can actually think straight
Yeah, but they don't really think outside the square, do they?
Generally, hackers are a bad thing, I know. But some things deserve to be hacked into...

:( I should vote here but there are missed option, at least 2 of them:
1- this poll haven't sense, both are programmers.
2- this poll should be renamed to: "if you were a programmer, would be hacking your main area"

But they're programming other things :-). There's a difference between redirector and 3D game, isn't it?

That's it, you agree that both are programmers, and that this poll has been named incorrectly. ;)
Would you like a flower, or would you like a rose...:p

Ok, I don't want to bother you :)
Just comment that this thread has bad foundation.

In most cases the best Hackers will be programmers , I mean In most cases when you attempt a Hack you will be using some one elses programme be it Port scanners, Anon remailers, or Remote server programmes like netbus or sub 7 all these programmes have to be written by a programmer or by a Hacker you decide.

Which I tried to clarify here, is that hacking is just an area of programming that a programmer would be interested about. Then a hacker wirtes his program - being then a programmer - which will make the hacking task for him.
That is what a hacker is. Using programs that have been written by someone and that you have no idea how internally it work, well, you're not a hacker then. You just like to play hacking this case.

Yes. That's true and I fully agree with it. Hackers and programmers are simillar. Hackers are often writing programs, but as a programmer you should write a highly dangerous program (since the most dangerous things are learning long time after the hacker stops learning). But as I said - they're programming different things. And the question is - is it cooler to write a normal app, or some hacker's app? if you want it this way.

And there're lots of hackers appz over the net, so you should download already written app rather than write it yourselves, if you don't want to program it. For example: telnet, or, as you said, netbus and sub 7 etc. You don't need to reinvent wheel every time you're going to read someone's e-mail, do you?

Originally posted by Seba Reloaded
Which I tried to clarify here, is that hacking is just an area of programming that a programmer would be interested about. Then a hacker wirtes his program - being then a programmer - which will make the hacking task for him.
That is what a hacker is. Using programs that have been written by someone and that you have no idea how internally it work, well, you're not a hacker then. You just like to play hacking this case.
Couldn't agree more!
Although to say you are play hacking is to make out it is easy to use some of the programmes doing the rounds these days ,when I would say that a reasonable amount of knowledge is required , its not like anyone can log onto the net and start hacking , I mean the term hacking covers so much ,from reading someone's email to taking down a BB like this . O.K Im starting to rant I just don't want people thinking its just a matter of loging on and starting up Brutus pasword cracker and thinking its that easy , You will be captured , and its then you have to start using your brain to hack.

Yeah, I said it's play hacking.
If a reasonable amount of knowledge is required , it is not programming. Then you're not a programmer, then you're playing to be a hacker. And I didn't said something is bad with this, I say that's the truth.
I don't know why you said that about using your brain to hack as if I were saying "you're not a programmer, you're stupid". If I were posting like that just show me where.
;)

Right Oxyd, that's why i post:
2- this poll should be renamed to: "if you were a programmer, would be hacking your main area"

But you're still confused about that point. Look this, a programmer writes a program that harm your system. If intentionally, it's called a virus. If not, it's called a bug. You see, it relys also on which purpose was the program created for.
Hacker's knowledges aren't something different than programmer's knowledges. They just use them with a different purpose. Using the sources the system offers isn't only used to hack, it is also used when a OS is written, a driver and many others. And these aren't hacking right?
I hope to make this clear enough this time.
:)

I think, that the difference between hacker and programmer is clear to everyone (I hope). With that dangerous program I meant that if some programmer gets angry he can write very dangerous program, but if a hacker's trying to write it, it'll probably be only an average virus. But still - I don't know why don't you like the name of this thread. I mean it right as it's written - I just want to see the people's opinion on this.

Hacking is infiltrating, programming is creating.
Programming is more powerful, but there is no doubt in my mind that hacking is cooler. Am I wrong?

I didn't mean using your brain to hack , I meant using brain comes in when it comes to not getting caught , thats when a real knowledge of how networks operate is nessacary (sp) .
In my opinion programming is the coolest as thats were the real Kudos lies , just check the hacker bb's see who gets the most respect , the guys who enable others with less knowledge in programing to hack or the guys using the programmes soley to cause havok..

Well, that was my best. Abort the mission.
And I wasn't saying you can't vote, I say it has been wrong based.
It's like when Morpheus tells Neo about what is the matrix before offers him the pills:
Morpheus: ...Unfortunately, no one can be told what the Matrix is. You have to see it for yourself...

It should be like this:
Unfortunately, no one can be told how programming is. You have to see it for yourself.

Yes, that's true. People often think, that programming is about to learn all commands into your head (there's over 1000 commands only in GDI module - that's impossible) and to be very good at math. Those times are gone. I'm very bad at math and also my memory isn't very good (I'm having troubles with remember names and numbers). Without documentation installed i cannot program anything (documentation is where all commands are listed and described). It's all about logical thinking. But as Seba Reloaded said - noone can tell you what programming is - you must see it yourself. I think, that the easiest programming language is HTML - if someone's interested - try it. If you want to create an executables (.exe and similar) I would recommend you C. (We can argue about it, but I don't want).

Hackers are programmers. In order to become a hacker you gotta learn how to program. In order to hack you gotta know the basics of programming and all the little tricks that exist out there, internet, wireless signals,etc....you get the idea. This is probably stuff that you guys all ready know. Just wanted to throw my two cents in.

Sorry to burst everyones bubble in this thread but a hacker in the original meaning of the word is someone who likes to take something apart to see how it works. Someone doing hobby electronics can be a hacker too, as can someone who picks locks for a hobby (it's legal by the way, if someone is wondering about that).

So a hacker doesn't necessarily need to know anything about programming at all. What most people call hackers are in fact crackers. The 'computer geeks' who like to break into servers and destroy stuff. A subcategory of crackers are script kiddies who do nothing more than use 'exploits' and programs to break into machines and cause damage. They hardly know anything about programming, they just execute the scripts and programs and hope for the best.

Now, a programmer is in fact a hacker. If you program you pull stuff apart to see how it works (study example code) and use it to your advantage. Of course it's also about a specific attitude: the fact you want to learn about how things work by opening them up and looking inside. The media has distorted the original meaning of the word 'hacker' and put it into a bad light, which is something that aggrevates a lot of real hackers out there (including me) ;).

The correct term would be Cracker but like you said I think the way hacking has been portrayed over the years probably more people understand the term hacker rather than cracker.

Hackers have more of a mysterious life even though REAL programmers get barely any credit...hacking is really for your own personal enjoyment and you know that YOU did it....If you were a programmer and "Microsoft" had you program their main cd, they wouldn't give you credit! They would SLAP their own company name on it, leaving the genius to the dust, and ship it out!

:: *cough* Microsoft are morons. (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/security/virus/alerts/msblaster.asp)

:: everyone knows hackers are better... there the bad boys of nerds and everyone knows chicks dig the bad guys.

*Cough* I know I do....:-D Lol.......:)