In M2, in the source, the architect told Neo he had two choices. He could either go back into the matrix and try to save the entire world, or he could 23 people (from Zion or from the matrix? I can't remember) to be saved from annihilation.
My question is, what was to be done with those 24 people (including Neo), and why was it important to the machines that these people will survive.
I know the architect explained this, but after watching the movie twice I still don't understand the reason.
If anyone has any theories or maybe a copy of the script for that scene, please, post away.
A friend emailed this too me along time ago. It makes perfect sence to me.
1. Errors accumulate in the Matrix. As they accumulate, more and more people
reject the reality of the Matrix.
2. If you just allowed these people to run around the Matrix they'd cause
nothing but trouble. Trouble which would grow exponentially because their
activities would cause other people to reject the Matrix, who would -- in turn
-- cause others to reject the Matrix, and so on.
3. So you create Zion. Zion serves as a release valve. People who wake up from
the Matrix go to Zion. A few of them still kick around and cause problems, but
the majority of people who go to Zion stay in Zion. And in fact, the people who
kick around and cause problems are actually doing you a service because they're
frequently identifying problem cases before they become serious.
4. The Agents serve as a control mechanism. They minimize the damage freed
individuals like Morpheus and Trinity can do.
5. The Prophecy and the War Against the Machines act as further control
mechanisms: They give the people of Zion a goal to strive for a predetermined
road to follow. The Oracle helps to reinforce the Prophecy.
Eventually, though, the errors grow too numerous. More and more people wake up
from the Matrix. And, eventually, you the One emerges. The One can see right
through the workings of the Matrix. He not only "wakes up" to the Matrix, he is
capable of seeing through its fundamental flaw and disassembling it.
That's when the machines move to their end game:
1. An army is mobilized for the destruction of Zion. This will wipe out all of
those people who rejected the reality of the Matrix.
2. Guided by the Prophecy and the Oracle, the One goes on the quest for the Key
Maker, the Door of Light, and the Machine Mainframe.
3. This neatly maneuvers him into his encounter with the Architect, where is
given two choices:
(a) He can choose to enter the Source. Zion will be destroyed, but he will be
allowed to found a new Zion. This restarts the whole cycle (see below).
(b) He can choose to go back into the Matrix. Zion will still be destroyed
(there's nothing he can do to save it). But more than that, the machines will
kill everyone connected to the Matrix -- effectively wiping out humanity.
Essentially, the One is given a carrot ("you'll be able to found a new Zion")
and a stick ("we'll kill everyone if you don't") to make him choose to enter
the Source.
If he does, then following happens:
1. The One's mind will be analyzed and his innate knowledge of the current
Matrix's flaws will be analyzed and used to recompile the Matrix. The new
Matrix will be better. There will be fewer errors. Fewer people will reject the
Matrix. If all goes well, this new Matrix will last longer than the last
Matrix.
2. Zion will be destroyed.
3. The One will be allowed to choose 23 people (16 female, 9 male) from the
Matrix to found a new Zion.
4. The cycle starts over again.
Now, there are a couple of caveats and additions to this:
1. This is just what the Architect tells Neo. We have no reason to trust him,
and there are a number of potential problems with his story. For example, if
the Architect really wants Neo to join with the source, why does he go out of
his way to show Neo the plight of Trinity -- thereby giving him motivation to
choose to return to the Matrix?
2. Neo's trick at the end of RELOADED suggests that the world of Zion is not
the real world, either, just another layer of control. People who are allowed
to "escape" from the Matrix don't really escape... they just get shunted to
another virtual reality.
3. If that truly is the case, then there's a *really* good chance that the
Council of Zion is not human. If the every event of "providence" which confirms
the pre-destination of the Prophecy is really just a manipulation of the
Architect and the Oracle, then it's very interesting to note that the Council
seems to go out of its way to set-up one of those incidents of "providence" by
dispatching two ships to go looking for Morpheus. Coupled with the fact that
there are only old men on the Council, things look might suspicious to me.
To refute the first point. The architect showed Neo Trinity falling because Neo though that Trinity was save and sound on board the Neb. This was the Architects only leverage. He needed to show Neo that Trinity was going to die and there was nothing to do to stop it; however as we all know he under estimated Neo's powers.
Second point I believe is complete bull ****, I don't care what anybody says. That is the easy way out of explaining it. The only other theory that I have herd of is that Neo was able to remote connect to the sentinels to shut them down, which is not as absurd as MIAM, after all Bane was in a coma at the end of Reloaded indicating that he controlled the sentinels as well in the counterstrike attack.
And if I'm right about the second point. then the third point is bs as well.
Also let me add that I believe that the errors grow too numerous because of the anomolies interaction with the population of the matrix because agents help keep the zion rebels out of populated areas, the anomoly is stronger than the agents so he/she is not forced to operated in low populated, seculded areas of the matrix.
Intresting, the forum didn't register that last post. It is a glitch in the system. look out, agents are comming. :cool:
Allright, let's edit where edit is due. Choi's right.
The creation of "The One" was never intended by the machines. The architect even said that he has tried to eliminate the anomoly. The current cycle is a workaround for the anomoly.
According to your friend, Zion was created by the machines in order to keep the more mature minds imprisoned. But I was under the impression that we don't like the MIAM theory. In fact, we loathe it. Everytime a newbie suggests it we have to stifle our urge to kill him (or send him a virus or do to him whatever we do to people who piss us off on the web).
The consensus on this site seems to be that Zion is a genuine real world. I understand that the machines might want to destroy it if the resistance becomes too strong, but I do not understand why they would need to rebuild it. Couldn't they just destroy Zion and live off the energy the matrix's imprisoned humans supplied for them?
It's obvious from what I remember that the machines need Zion's new poplulation to multiply. The one will take with him to the new world 7 males and 16 females and will rebuild Zion.
Do the machines need the one to make a better matrix? I don't see any evidence to suggest that. Once the machines destroy Zion, there would be no more releases from the matrix, since the people who do the releasing would be dead. And even if people manage to release themselves (like Popper), after they fall down the "rabbit hole" they will drown in the water since there won't be anyone to help them out.
In conclusion, why not just blow the place up and be done with it?
...if the Architect really wants Neo to join with the source, why does he go out of his way to show Neo the plight of Trinity -- thereby giving him motivation to
choose to return to the Matrix?
...The architect showed Neo Trinity falling because Neo though that Trinity was save and sound on board the Neb. This was the Architects only leverage. He needed to show Neo that Trinity was going to die and there was nothing to do to stop it; however as we all know he under estimated Neo's powers.
I don't understand your reasoning here.
Wouldn't Neo be more willing to enter the source if he could take the love of his life with him to the new Zion? (by the way, does this story remind you of Noah's ark?)
I suspect that the reason the architect showed him trinity was based more on advancing the script to a dramatic climax than advancing the architect's and the machines' actual interests.
But that might just be me being paranoid.
It better be.
about the trick neo pulled off at the end.
before he does it he says something has changed.
The he turns round like he can feel them.
The only weapon they have against sentinals is electro magnetic pulse
What if neo was able to with the energy from his mind. create some form of electro magnetic pulse. the more hes began to realise. the stronger he has gotten.
And i don't undertsand why people think the matirx in a matrix is an easy way of explaining it. It's actually very hard to believe. Which is why i think its so good.
The word Matrix means more than one structure.
And im not sure about this but in the archutect rooms, ont he computer screens, wasn't there a scene of neo shouting let me out of here i want out.
Didn't he say that when he was in the training program?
Matirx in a matrix is the only reasonable explanation. Either that or a part of smith was transferd into neo mind when he tried to copy him! Like a virus its slowly infecting his brain. Which is why he must destroy smith. And smith does control the sentinals, so it would make sense that neo could also do this!
I don't believe in the MIAM theory. For one, it's way too obvious, and if there's one thing the W bros hate, it's being obvious.
I also think it's probably got something to do with Smith being imprinted on him or Neo controlling Smith-Bane in Zion. I don't know though and I try not to think about it too much, cuz I might one day accidentaly stumble across the solution and ruin M3 for myself.
What I find more interesting (and pretty confusing too) is the proposition of the architect to Neo. I'm sure it was explained well in the movie, and I have a vague recallection of understanding how it made sense when I watched the movie, but now I either forgot it or know better.
So, again, if anyone has any theories or the script for that scene, his help would be much appreciated. I need to understand this scene in order to post my next thread.
Err..real sorri abt this but could someone please explain what's the MIAM theory? *completly clueless*
Matrix Inside a Matrix - Zion is another matrix.
The Matrix : http://www.auburn.edu/~phillds/matrix.html
Reloaded: http://www.auburn.edu/~phillds/matrix2.html
still looking for complete ETM (yes I have Niobe and Oracle) and Animatrix.
Wow. Thanks Choi.
How did you get hold of those scripts?
The function of the One is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program, after which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male to rebuild Zion.
-The Architect
The One is to select 23 individuals from the matrix. Trinity is no longer in the matrix (hardwired to the matrix). So I see the two choices that the Architect gave Neo as:
1) Choose the source - loose Trinity
2) Choose the matrix - watch Trinity die
However hope gave Neo the choice of saving Trinity.
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How did I get a hold of the scripts..... errrr, I wish I could remember. They seem to be on a seculded area of web space so lets not suck up the bandwidth. Keep it to yourself.
They way I see it is the second matrix failed because there wasn't a zion. People don't just suddenly realize the error and wake up, it is a slow process, and in that process the rejectors 'infect' other individuals who would have other wise not been 'infected'. The zion rebels remove the rejectors before they infect more people and the agents keep the zion rebels in seculded areas so they don't infect more people than what is needed. And zion is in the real world; if it wern't then they would have the same problem of rejectors.
Architect: The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime, a triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it, based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps, a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the answer was stumbled upon by another. An intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo: The Oracle.
Architect: Please, as I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution, whereby nearly 99 percent of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously, fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority if unchecked would constitute an escalading probability of disaster.
So is the choice people are given at a near subconscious level whether to live in the matrix or in Zion?
If so, what happened with the first and second matrices?
What happened then when people realised their life was an illusion? Did they stay in the Matrix anyway?
Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world. Where none suffered. Where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost.
-Agent SmithHere's the way I understand it.
Matrix V1.0 : Paradise, surrealistic, initial rejection rate at about 25%(pure guess). However rejection is slow over time the percentage escalates as infected individual subjects infect others. Soon keeping enough humans in the power plants is counter productive. soon entire crops are lost.
Matrix V2.0 : Harsh reality, realistic, initial rejection rate is about 1%. However rejection is slow over time the percentage escalates. This matrix lasts a lot longer than the previous matrix. Over that extended period of time the fundamental flaw of the Matrix occurs, the anomaly. The anomaly becomes infected and the rejections escalate 100 fold. Entire crops are lost.
Matrix V3.0 : The One from V2.0 is aloud to take 23(?) individuals from the matrix to create Zion. The machines do this because they expect the humans to clean The Matrix of potential rejections. This workaround works. rejections are kept at an acceptable 1%, until a new anomaly occurs. The new anomaly is found by the rebels and kept under a certain degree of control by the prophecy. Before rejections rise above an acceptable level The One visits the Architect, knows the truth. The Matrix is reset and the cycle repeats.
originally posted vy Choi
Matrix V3.0 : The One from V2.0 is aloud to take 23(?) individuals from the matrix to create Zion. The machines do this because they expect the humans to clean The Matrix of potential rejections.
Clean the matrix of potential rejections? What do you mean?
In the first and second matrices, where there was no Zion, people who realised they were living in an illusion could not escape the matrix (or could they?), so how were the crops lost? Did they kill themselves?
And why would the machines want the humans clean the matrix of potential rejections? Entire crops would be lost that way.
My theory revolves around the idea that individuals don't immediately wake up from the matrix when they experience an error. Look at the animatrix "Beyond", the children were experiencing a glitch in the matrix, but they didn't wake up.
Have you ever had a dream where you could breath under water? Well I have, and I didn't immediately wake up when I did it was after I experience several of unbelievable occurrences that I woke up, or I herd my alarm clock :) . So say I'm in the matrix and I find out that I can breath underwater. I don't wake up, but other people see me breathing underwater. They try it and succeed, and more people see them and so on and so forth.
Zion rebels wake these individuals up that experience errors in the matrix before they 'infect' other individuals. And agents are there to keep Zion rebels away from large gatherings of people so the Zion rebels don't infect anybody.
Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations.
Neo: Choice, the problem is choice.
So the anomaly is choice. It's an unfortunate but neccesary means to keep humans under control. This means that humans must always have some choice, that they will never be forced to do something that is against their free will.
This might be why the architect showed Neo trinity falling even though it would push him towards making the choice the architect didn't want him to make.
originall posted by Choi
Zion rebels wake these individuals up that experience errors in the matrix before they 'infect' other individuals. And agents are there to keep Zion rebels away from large gatherings of people so the Zion rebels don't infect anybody.
If the agents keep the rebels away from large gathering, why wouldn't they keep enlightened plugged people away from large gatherings?
They could even simply unplug those who are in the process of waking up. I don't see the difference between a rebel from Zion and a rebel still inside the matrix. The rebel in the matrix will be more defenseless if anything.
Choice is not only necessary; choice is a fact of human behavior. Humans had choice ever since the first version of the matrix. This choice is what led to the initial rejections.
Originally posted by freeyourmind
They could even simply unplug those who are in the process of waking up. Can they? The machines didn't unplug Neo, they didn't unpulg Poppers.
Originally posted by Choi
Choice is not only necessary; choice is a fact of human behavior. Humans had choice ever since the first version of the matrix. This choice is what led to the initial rejections.
Yeah, so all the machines could do was tone it down to an almost subconscious level. But the question remains, why is it in the machines' interest that Zion remains?
Even if the agents dont unplug the people aware of the illusion, they could just shoot them or imprison them or whatever.
I think that there must be an actual place the humans can reach if they reject the matrix. Otherwise, the humans' near subconscious choice of whether to stay in the matrix or not, isn't really a choice at all.
Can they? The machines didn't unplug Neo, they didn't unpulg Poppers.
I hate to tell you this, my friend, but I think you just stumbled upon a plot-hole. Every action movie has them, we shouldn't get upset by it. Real life is boring, anyway.
It seems to me that this is one of those rare occasions where we actually are reading into the matrix too much for our own good.
Pick up your nearest bible you godless heathens, and go to to Andrew paragraph 2 line 3 (23) ( I think )
it says something about a new world or something.
Originally posted by freeyourmind
I hate to tell you this, my friend, but I think you just stumbled upon a plot-hole. Perhaps. One of the books that the WBros had each principal cast member read was 'out of control' I haven't read this my self yet, but one of the chapters is called "Artificial Evolution". I think that this cycle is also imparative to the advancment of the machines as well. I'm going to have to pick up that book.
Smith wnated the codes to destroy zion. because without zion. there is no need for him to stay inside the matrix under the control of it.
Smith was set free by neo. but not in the way he planned. Even though he wanted out of the matrix so badly, he felt compelled to stay...to prove he could defeat Neo?
So relating to the word, choice, is something that humans have needed.
Don't A.I need it as well? if no Smith would ahve gone to the source without question. Along with all the other programs in exile!
So it's not only humans that reject the matrix. A.I reject it as well. the only problem is A.I have no where else to go! A program can't live in the real world!. Well apart from smith - obviously!
Originally posted by TheWindMinstrel
Pick up your nearest bible you godless heathens, and go to to Andrew paragraph 2 line 3 (23) ( I think )
it says something about a new world or something. I don't know what bible your reading, but there is no book of andrew in mine.
Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Numbers
Deuteronomy
Joshua
Judges
Ruth
1 Samuel
2 Samuel
1 Kings
2 Kings
1 Chronicles
2 Chronicles
Ezra
Nehemiah
Esther
Job
Psalms
Proverbs
Ecclesiastes
Song of Solomon
Isaiah
Jeremiah
Lamentations
Ezekiel
Daniel
Hosea
Joel
Amos
Obadiah
Jonah
Micah
Nahum
Habakkuk
Zephaniah
Haggai
Zechariah
Malachi
____________
Matthew
Mark
Luke
John
Acts
Romans
1 Corinthians
2 Corinthians
Galatians
Ephesians
Philippians
Colossians
1 Thessalonians
2 Thessalonians
1 Timothy
2 Timothy
Titus
Philemon
Hebrews
James
1 Peter
2 Peter
1 John
2 John
3 John
Jude
Revelation
Maybe ur bible has been censored or something. ;)
Why do the machines need Zion rebuilt?
Wouldn't they be glad to be riddened of their greatest enemy? Aren't they constantly trying to destroy Zion in the real world anyway?
Please post anything you come up with. It doesn't have to make sense. Eventually I'll find something I like (unless, of course, this is a plothole).
Happy agent hunting.
it is all about control, machines marveling at their own creations, the ability to have superiority over the human race... that is partially why the matrix exists..
Originally posted by Reason
it is all about control, machines marveling at their own creations, the ability to have superiority over the human race... that is partially why the matrix exists..
I don't get how that explains why the machines would want Zion rebuilt.
Originally posted by freeyourmind
Why do the machines need Zion rebuilt?
Happy agent hunting.
Well, the machines still need the humans for their own survival. Besides, I think the machines can be satisfied with the way things are going, cause their enemies live imprisoned.
As said by Choi, the machines need to keep Zion existing over and over again to control the one and the 1% unhappy people.
In the first Matrix Smith talks about access codes to Zion's mainframe. Now mabye he is talking about a security system but maybe he is talking about ending the cycle once and for all because he is tired of it. He talks about humans being a cancer and wants them gone. So mabye The Exiled (Released what ever you want to call em) all gave some sort of knowledge about a second matrix?
I'm sorry icy toast, can u elaborate, cause I don't get that.
why the machines need zion!
because if they did the path for the one in version 7 would go something like this
"I'm here to save zion" - Neo
"oh sorry dude. Your a version too late. Come back next time round and ill see if i can release some folks for you to save" - archutect
Without Zion the ones purpose would be soley to destroy the matrix
And they can't be having that! lol
Originally posted by Drain
why the machines need zion!
because if they did the path for the one in version 7 would go something like this
"I'm here to save zion" - Neo
"oh sorry dude. Your a version too late. Come back next time round and ill see if i can release some folks for you to save" - archutect
Without Zion the ones purpose would be soley to destroy the matrix
And they can't be having that! lol
Are you saying that if there was no Zion, Neo would not cooperate?
That would mean that the machines must have Neo for something, and the Zion is simply the carrot. The architect said something about reinserting the one's code into the main program...
My problem with this theory is that I don't see why they would need to improve the matrix if they can just as easily wipe out the whole resistance force.
I think this is more specifically about the one. They can't beat him by force, so they try to beat him through cunning, through making him believe his only chance of saving Zion resides in stopping his fight against the machines.
But this theory has many holes, also. I'm still waiting for a better one.
I think u'll have to wait till Revolutions then. I really wonder what they'll come up with... :p
Originally posted by TheDrakemaster
I think u'll have to wait till Revolutions then. I really wonder what they'll come up with... :p
Yeah, but what's the fun in that?
My theory:.....MIAM doesn't seem very logical unless Neo could REALLY stop the Squiddies (And we don't know whether it was Neo or the EMP)....And if Zion was really inside ANOTHER matrix, why wouldn't everyone else like Niobe and such, bust out Matrix moves when they needed to....Maybe Neo is just getting other feelings....Maybe he can now handle things OUTSIDE of the Matrix(s).... Freeyourmind is right....what fun is there in waiting....Besides, who wants to wait a couple months to find out. I know this may sound crazy, but this was what I was thinking the whole time while I was watching M2:
What If Neo is ANOTHER system of control....a Program...like the oracle....Maybe he's really a machine and he just doesn't know it....Corny....but thats what I think....Its really confusing...It's almost genius's work to think up a story plan like this.....
hmmm..
What if the matrix has to run on a cycle.
The Matrix requires choice in order to function.
The problem is the choices given to humans is created by the Matrix. Choice is limited. because A.I knowledge of choice is also limited.
"What do i want, that question once had no meaning to me" persaphone
What if A.I are in effect incomplete. They are missing so much that require them to evolve. And the answer is found in humanity.
(i believe this is the auricle motive and the exiles)
but the only way to do this is to have the matrix on a cycle. and compare.
Compare the reactions of each character to see how different people respond in different situations.
(i believe that is the archutects motive for having a fabricated prophecy)
Love seems to be the study of version six if you ask me!
And in version seven they would try to control love!
but by neo choosing the wrong door, rpoves love can not be controlled!
the only person that doesnt benifit from the exsistence of zion and the fabricated prophecy is agent smith, he was a slave to it, now apparently free. And able to bring an end to it
What if the machines wanted the matrix upgraded (using the source the one carries) just for the sake of perfecting their system?
That sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me... ;)
Originally posted by TheRealMatrix
My theory:.....MIAM doesn't seem very logical unless Neo could REALLY stop the Squiddies (And we don't know whether it was Neo or the EMP)
At the beginning of Reloaded Neo senses smiths presence.
Trinity:What's wrong!
Neo: I don't know
At the end
Neo: Something's different.
Trinity: What?
Neo: I can feel them.
Now i'm guessing its not the sentinals he is feeling. It's smith and his control of the sentinals.
Smith: Suprised to see me?
Neo: No.
Smith: Then you're aware of it?
Neo: Of what?
Smith: Our connection. I don't fully understand how it happened, perhaps some part of you imprinted onto me, something overwritten or copied. It is at this point irrelevant, what matters is that whatever happened, happened for a reason.
Now its looks like a part of Neo is impritned in smith. Neo's mind perhaps. In the way smiths mind imprinted in banes. Which gave neo control of the sentinals
And explains why the auricle said
"Neo's mind is trapped somewhere between our world and yours"
Now i think this will give Smith control of Neo and at times vice versa, untill Neo's mind is set free!
Which is why in the revolations trailer Morpheus says in questionabley "he fights for us?"
I also believe Trinity will seperate Neo's mind from smith!
Originally posted by freeyourmind
But this theory has many holes, also. I'm still waiting for a better one.
Here's my theory, in the hope that the majority here are programmers like myself:
I've personally found it very helpful to look at that whole "Prophecy-leading-The-One-to-restart-another-Matrix-cycle-including-the-Zion-bit" as an analogy to a non-deterministic garbage collector (like the one in Microsoft's .NET framework).
Just like programmers ideally don't want garbage collectors (we'd rather have systems in which memory leaks couldn't happen!) , the machines don't really want Zion, but they accept it, as part of a suboptimal solution that so far has achieved the best results.
I'll leave lengthy elaborations out here, just to make it short, but I'll be happy to explain more if people ask me to.
Originally posted by freeyourmind
In M2, in the source, the architect told Neo he had two choices. He could either go back into the matrix and try to save the entire world, or he could 23 people (from Zion or from the matrix? I can't remember) to be saved from annihilation.
My question is, what was to be done with those 24 people (including Neo), and why was it important to the machines that these people will survive.
I know the architect explained this, but after watching the movie twice I still don't understand the reason.
If anyone has any theories or maybe a copy of the script for that scene, please, post away.
I have it right here:
Chapter IX: The Architect
Architect: Hello, Neo.
Neo: Who are you?
Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and
though the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo some of my
answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question
may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.
Neo: Why am I here?
Architect: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the
Matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which, despite my sincerest efforts, I have been
unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a
burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control.
Which has led you, inexorably... here.
Neo: You haven't answered my question.
Architect: Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others.
TheOnes: Others? How many others? What others? Answer my question!
Architect: The Matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to
the emergence of the next, in which case this is the 6th version.
TheOnes: 5 `One's before me? 4 3 2 What are you talking about?
Neo: There are only two possible explanations, either no one told me, or no one knows.
Architect: Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomaly is systemic - creating fluctuations in even
the most simplistic equations.
TheOnes: You can't control me! I'm gonna smash you to bits! I'll ****in' kill you!
Neo: Choice. The problem is choice.
Architect: The first Matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art - flawless, sublime. A
triumph equalled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is apparent to me now
as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being. Thus, I redesigned it based on
your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was
again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it
required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus the
answer was stumbled upon by another - an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain
aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother.
Neo: The Oracle.
Architect: Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99% of all test subjects
accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the
choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally
flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might
threaten the system itself. Ergo those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked,
would constitute an escalating probablility of disaster.
Neo: This is about Zion.
Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed - its every living inhabitant terminated, its
entire existence eradicated.
Neo: Bull****.
TheOnes: Bull****!
Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses, but rest assured, this will be the sixth time
we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.
Architect: The function of the One is now to return to the Source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the
code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which, you will be required to select from the
Matrix 23 individuals - 16 female, 7 male - to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process
will result in a cataclysmic system crash, killing everyone connected to the Matrix, which, coupled
with the extermination of Zion, will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.
Neo: You won't let it happen. You can't. You need human beings to survive.
Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or
not you are ready to accept the responsibility of the death of every human being on this world. It
is interesting, reading your reactions. Your 5 predecessors were, by design, based on a similar
predication - a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of
your species, facilitating the function of the One. While the others experienced this in a very
general way, your experience is far more specific - vis a vis love.
Neo: Trinity.
Architect: Apropos, she entered the Matrix to save your life, at the cost of her own.
Neo: No.
Architect: Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed,
and the anomaly revealed as both beginning and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads
to the Source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her and
to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what
you are going to do, don't we? Already, I can see the chain reaction - the chemical precursors that
signal the onset of an emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic and reason - an emotion that
is already blinding you from the simple and obvious truth. She is going to die, and there is nothing
you can do to stop it.
Architect: Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength
and your greatest weakness.
Neo: If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again.
Architect: We won't.
There ya go....straight from the orginal script....
Thanks TRM, but Choi beat you to it. In page one there's a link to the entire scripts of M1 and M2. But thanks, anyway.
...Darn....;) Oh well...If anyone else wants the script just P/M me if you can't download choi's......
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