Reloaded - My Theory

There is no real world, at least Zion is not real. Here is some
evidence to support my theory:

- Something didn't feel right when Neo went back to the
"real" world at the end. He stopped the sentinels with his bare
hands. This is obviously impossible.

- Neo drempt of Trinity's death in the REAL world, meaning
that something was suggesting her death all along. This is
possible in the Matrix, but impossible in the real world.

- The Architect suggested, in a hidden sense, that there
is no escape.

I think that the Architect fears Neo and this is why he lies to
him. Since Neo can control the Matrix to a large degree, he
might eventually learn to travel from one level of the Matrix
to the other.

The Architect gives Neo a choice. Door #1, Save humanity
by letting them destroy Zion and then recreate it. Door #2
Try to prevent the invasion of Zion and eliminate the entire
human civilization by destroying the Matrix.

The Architect knows that if Neo takes option #1, he bit
the bait and he has nothing to worry about because
he's got Neo on a leash. If hNeo goes with Door #2, the
Architect can only hope that Neo doesn't realize that there
is no real world, and he's just moving from one Matrix
to another.

I feel that once Neo realizes that there is no escape, and
that they're all inside a Matrix, which exists within a Matrix
he will be able to control it some how.

What do you think?

Very feasible. We won't know until Revolutions comes out. Heck, we may not know then.

He didn't stop it with his bare hands, As said after he colapsed:

"When the EMP went off..." "It wasn't an accident."

He just held his hand up because he knew that the EMP was coming.

"I feel it..."

I trust most of us have seen reloaded by now, If not, this won't give anything away.

The whole story contradicts itself.
It's very confusing, But has a nice sex scene.
People look way too deep into the movie.

Oh and about Not seeing somethign before it happens: That's wrong too. Iv'e done it and I'm sure that many, if not all of us have at some point said "This is going to happen" And it does.

Dam Couldnt you move that to spoilers....

thats a good thought! Sort of makes the matrix like a super mario brothers game...Beat one level and move to the next and so on. I like that.

Luc-

You and I agree so often, I think maybe we should check to make sure our DNA isn't related or something... :)

Similar to your point about Zion not being real, I think it may be real, but I am thinking that maybe the door he went through was actually a door into the matrix within a matrix.

Sort of a safety valve / firewall for the system.

That's when his powers in the 'real' world showed themselves. For the past 6 months, he never felt anything on the outside other than the dreams, which I attribute to him being infected with the matrix much like Smith infects programs and connects to them.

The one loophole to this would be if Neo in coma is lying next to infected guy with Smith in him. I don't think Smith would be in the inner matrix if there is one.

Boy, I don't see how they are going to close this one up in 2.5 hours in November. I could see this going on and on, which I am told is untrue.

-WC-

PS: ARCH, you are wrong about the EMP. He felt the Sentinels, not the EMP. The EMP they are talking about was the one that was supposed to come from the ship that was disabled by the guy infected by Smith.

Unless I am wrong, please tell me. ;)

Very very interesting points WC.

I will still stick with my own theory though, since it makes
more sense to me :D I guess only time will tell if we came
anywhere close to the plot.

Now, I am going to agree with you on the "Arch" is wrong
claim.

The ship was destroyed, it was not only broken in half but
also burning to a crisp after several explosions. Not a chance
the EMP would have been shot from there.

If you're talking about the other ship, well, maybe but
very unlikely, heres why:

It's important to remember that in the real world we are
simply biological beings. Electromagnetic waves have no
effect on us. Neo's MIND was changing, but not his body,
he didn't become metal all of the sudden and his vains
didn't use 0s and 1s instead of blood. There is nothing you
can tell me that will make me believe that NEO is biologically
turning into a robot and that electromagnetic waves can
screw him up.

I wanted to say something else, but I forgot. :confused:

Arch's theory was that he felt teh EMP coming, and somehow reflected that EMP/ transmitted that EMP to the sentinels.

I think that he got the same feeling of power that he does inside the matrix and that's why he attacked the Sentinels.

How is your theory different than my theory, Luc? I am trying to find the differences, but my eyes are so tired I am going crosseyed... :eek:

-WC-

Well, I just think that Zion is not in the real world. It's inside
the Matrix, a Matrix within a Matrix.

The door idea you suggested is starting to sink in and it
makes a lot of sense. The agent Smith thing kinda sets
it back.

There are so many possibilities! Geez

ooh, you think there is absolutely no Zion. hmm, interesting. I didn't consider that possibility.

Back to the drawing boards.

-WC-

firstly, i thought reloaded was disappointing. the philosophical underpinning wasn't as strong, and that whole orgy in zion was damn ridiculous. aside from that, my theory is that neo is the matrix. he is the mathematical remainder of whole equation, and it is entirely his 'choice', or understanding of why he made that choice that determines the path of the matrix, zion and trinity.

he is the imperfection of the architects creation, and he is the creation all in one. he had to chose one door, but both doors were of his own making. i reckon that he is the difference between the two matrik's that were created, the failed one and the flawed one. just like what morpheous was saying in the first one, about realising that some of the rules can be bent, and some can be broken. i think neo is all of the rules, and it is he who can either bend or break his own mind.

just my thoughts, probably dont make sense...it is 3am after all

I am a supporter of the matrix within a matrix theory, or imbedded matrices. I think it is the only theory that can explain everything that happened at the end of the movie. Also, was the guy in neo's dream that smith went into and then through the phone the same guy that tried to kill neo? I can't remember, but I think that could only happen if there were another matrix.

I prefer one matrix that they just never actually left. The KISS principle.

I think neo is a program. And to be a program, there must be a second matrix, so he can exist in the "real" world of zion. The reason I think he is a program: Reloaded has already established that the oracle is a program. In order to know what she knows about the coming of the one, she has to know what is planned on happening, fate. The fate that the programs control is other programs. She would not know to tell Morpheus that he will find the one and trinity that she will fall in love with the one unless she programmed the one to come and join Morpheus. This theory is a bit loosely put together, but basically how can the oracle, if she is only a computer program, know that a human is going to come along and be all powerful. She would only know if she was planning it. Also, the architect guy said that the matrix has existed for far longer than neo thought, which implies that it is past the projected 2199. This would imply that zion is in fact in a matrix because they dont know the real date.

Pure speculation here - but perhaps the world of the Matrix does not even exist - and it's some super simulation going on 'inside' of some AI somewhere that is 'considering' taking over the world and is playing with 'worst case scenarios' to try to truly determine if he (it) can overcome the voracity of the human spirit.

And perhaps I should be writing these things down instead of just speculating on some bulletin board - lol


KL

k-lynn i can see your idea of the whole thing being played out inside of an AI's head, because there can't really be anything to contradict that in the first two movies, but I dont think the w brothers would do that. I think they are leaving clues so that at the end of the third movie we look back and say, "oh, now i get it" If the thing was in an AI's bot head there wouldnt be any clues to place. But as you said it is pure speculation. I think the dual matrix idea is the most logical now, or the one they want us to believe now.

I'm liking everyones theory about a Matrix within a Matrix. Kind of 13th Floor'ish. It would almost HAVE to be true if Neo somehow stopped the sentinels. Here's one other thought however...

We know that somehow Mr. Smith transferred his conscience into a human in the real world. Now, as stated, this 'real' world may just be another level of the Matrix, which would explain it. But if it's not, and it is the real world, then some link or transfer method was established here between the two creatures minds (human and machine - which is what Mr. Smith is, he's not just a program but a sentinel or other machine in the 'real' world). So if Smith can do it - and it may seem he learned this or picked it up after being in contact with Neo - then Neo could do it as well. So it's possible Neo is now consciously hooked in to the machines system - and THAT is how he stopped the sentinels.

Thougts?

I've yet to see the movie which could void my opinion. I do know a lot about the plot however. I like the idea of the intertwining matrices. I think the fact that the EMP did not affect him can be argued. By the manner in which they hack into the matrix they can't be solely biological allowing him to "feel" it.

Thoughts?

Just one question... How did Smith get outside of the Matrix if he was supposed to be locked up where all the "virus code" goes?

He would've never been able to get to a land phone to get out. Doesn't make any sense.

-any comments??


Daniel