Machines Revolting Against Machines

I'm not sure if anyone has touched on this subject yet, but I've got a feeling that there's a part of the machine world that we're missing besides seeing the Sentinels at Zions door step. I believe that there's a machine-human world that resembles a civilized earth inhabited by machines. A civilized place like Zero-One not necessarilly Zero-One, but where other free thinking machines reside.

I think not all the machines that are coming after Zion feel the same as what we are seeing or believe that growing humans for energy is humane. Machines were made in the likeness of man but they carry a code far more sophisticated than just what we believe to be AI.

I believe Neo & co. & Zion will get some help from the machines who don't believe in the extermination of Zion. Machines will help Zion fight the war of extermination and help reverse the existence of the matrix to free humans even if it means sacrificing their energy supply. It makes sense for this to happen, not sure if it'll hold any water when M3 comes out. But it's worth a shot anyway.

What do you guy think?

What your talking about is the self conversion of machines to the human side of the war, highly unlikely.

Machines may have "free will" but they do not "feel", you are trying to impose human feelings onto a machine, which doesn't work. Emotions require more energy and make the machines less proficient at whatever they are doing. Machines simply don't need emotions so therefore they wouldn't have them. The machines aren't running on the same AI as the humans programed, it has been upgraded for maximum efficiency. I think that the machine empire would work much like a bee hive, there are workers warriors, etc. and the source would act as the queen, being the source of all AI.

The machines may have a central intelligence or one mind.
which would make them very good at tasks which involve thousands of workers or warriors (which they have) doing something at the same time, there would be no mistakes and it would be very efficient.

I know i got pretty far off topic there but it may help you or it may confue you beyond all reason, good luck!

whats Zero-one,??? cuz if it was in the animatrix i wasnt paying much attention...

Not confusing at all.

This goes back to the definition of AI. Which was a thread a couple weeks ago. For the most part of that people agreed that the machines weren't just flying calulators following orders. The machines we're endowed with the spirit of man, in turn they created more advanced versions and so on.

In matriculated, which is your own name btw, the machine was able to distinguish a certain emotion after it was seduced by the team, to rebel against the other machines to try and save the girl. Obviously that machine was able to distinguish right and wrong. Some of the main points of M2 is disobedience and choice.

In 2RP 1 & 2 machines we're able to not want to die. They looked and even acted like humans and believed they were real.

In the matrix their own programs are disobedient, Smith, Merovingian, exiles, etc. . . Smith claims he can hate humans, Mero claims he loves French. if the machines can calculate simulations of those emotions why couldn't they program themselves with that same sort of sophistication. Machines do what they are programmed to do which works under your beehive theory. But that's underestimating the intellegence of the machines.

In an article I just read from Triple Action mag the quote goes:

". . .Intriguingly, not all of the machines share the same goal, and Morpheus' team may get some unexpected help. . ."-Bill Florence

I don't see where you would equate free thinking machines could not develop emotions, they developed disobedience. Disobedience involves choice and choice involves knowing the path and walking the path. I think the machines, with Neos help, will help them understand that they can walk their own path. They don't have to enslave humans, they don't have to follow orders. You're saying the machines only do their job because they're stupid enough to do that. You have to give more credit to the machines who developed the matrix.

Originally posted by NightHawk
whats Zero-one,??? cuz if it was in the animatrix i wasnt paying much attention...

It was in the Animatrix.
01 or Zero One is the place in the 2 Renaissance Pt1 machines fled to after the humans tried to eliminate them.

highly likely.

AI, as said in the animatrix, is when machine is endowed with the spirit of man. Also, the rise of machines came about from oppression caused by humans, now that machines are oppressing other machines/programs, it's highly likely they revolt as they did vs human oppressors.

In The Animatrix (Matriculated), they tried to reprogram a machine, they said it had to be through choice.

Anyway, maybe this a clue to what happens in Revolutions?

In The Animatrix (Matriculated), they tried to reprogram a machine, they said it had to be through choice.

Anyway, maybe this a clue to what happens in Revolutions?

Maybe someone we think as human is a machine, like the agents are programs etc (but it can't be Neo, Trinity or Morpheus, they have too much emotion- but Smith seems to have gained emotion...???!!!).

Actually it may not be that far from the truth. JMS, even if the AI didn't have emotions(its hard to discuss that disputed fact) the machines that aren't completely and mindlessly controlled by the machine mainframe might have other reasons to rebel. Machines are determined by rules and definitions. These may not always be the same:somehow different programs may be motivated to see more logic in say the gathering of information (Mero), self-preservation (Oracle) and guarding (Seraph)...it jus depends on their individual definitions in logic. That's the danger always of sentience-self-motivation.
Yet on the other hand I feel its pretty impossible to have machines in the real world rebel against the machines in general for the main reason (barring the arguably fictional facts in Matriculated) that all real-world machines are non-sentient. Remember that Dozer said in M1 that Sentinels had only one purpose:Search and Destroy. They dun seem capable of much else...perhaps the machines meant it that way-perhaps it might be too dangerous? As for the AI around in 01 perhaps they were downloaded or modified to fit into the matrix program?

...a program inside the matrix was programmed to have the ability to moderate its capability of developing ideas, thoughts, or even emotions till it reached certain measure ?

but still i dont think that machines in real world will developed such kinds of emotions, since, based on movies, they're not programmed to develop any kinds of 'feelings' than those within the matrix