The Architect made Neo go through that door himself

Remember what The Oracle tells Neo in The Matrix. She actually lies about him, not being The One. Not, because she doesn't know, but because she knows the consequences of her telling Neo he is The One, wouldn't be good for both Neo and the future of the Real World. She told him, what she should have told him to cause a specific series of consequences. Just like the vase wasn't a misestimation, but an example to teach Neo a lesson on causility. Like she insinuated, if she hadn't told Neo to watch out for the vase it wouldn't have broken.

Neo went through the door that led back to the Matrix because of Trinity. Because he knew Trinity was in problems. But the question is, how did he know? Through his dream? No. He didn't even know Trinity was inside the Matrix. Why?
Because the Arcitect showed him. Remember, The Architect began about love, being the weakness of the human being, himself. Neo didn't start about that. He did. Which concluded in Neo, thinking about Trinity, the moment he calls her name. He didn't cause that moment. The Architect did. Cause and effect. Hence, controlled by The Architect. This gets even more clearer by the way he reacts on the effect. Not one emotion. He knew.

Conclusion: The Architect made Neo go back to the Matrix.

Question: Why would The Architect make Neo go back to the Matrix if he wants him to go to The Source?

I dont think he wanted Neo to go through either door, you must remember, he is a machine and machines dont have feelings or wants, they just take everything as it is. He wasnt going to lie to Neo, because he is a machine, and is not programmed to lie (could you imagine your computer lying to you about something?)

well he could have lured him into a trap, the architect wasnt concerned that Neo took the door back in the matrix. that door Neo took also meant the end of the matrix and everyone would die who was in it. that would be suicide for the machines. the architect has an ace up his sleeve I think.

That's a tough one! However, I don't think he knew beforehand that Neo would choose to save her, unless he knows everything Neo himself "knows" (and then this annoying MIAM thing gains validity).

But still, why inform Neo anyway, why present him with choice? I really wish Neo wouldn't have been so "not too bright" and figured it out himself: if ever Trinity would be in danger, then would probably be the time.

It does parallel what Neo said to the Oracle, though: "how can I ever make a choice?" The Oracle says "because you already made the choice, and now you have to understand it." Why does the Architect help him understand it? After watching M2 4 times, I still have no idea! Why do you think? In "real life" we are not always so well-informed to make the choices we "would make". Age-long debate on the nature of "free will", I suppose. Ty chital Solzhenitsyna?

P.S. The Oracle does not lie.
In M1, she never uttered the words "you are not the one." In M2, she tells him that he is the One (as confirmed indirectly by the Architect), and that he has to go to the source. Well, he does have to go to the source - otherwise how would he find out what is really going on?! She does not tell him "you have to choose Zion over Trinity", but she does tell him "Zion will fall". Well, that does seem to be the choice he is presented with - Zion's fall vs Trinity's fall. The Oracle still hasn't lied. Neo is really not too bright to say that the prophecy was a lie! It was simply an unpleasant truth.

What's interesting is: who is the Oracle? Did you notice she does not confirm she is a program? Neo says "you are not human." She says "it's tough to get anymore obvious than that." Doesn't say "yep, I'm a program". During the subsequent line of guessing on Neo's part she just says stuff like "keep going".

He asks her about the exile programs, and she says "well, [they are] not like me!" Logically, it is possible to continue "because I am not a program". Then she refers to the Merovingian "he is the oldest of us" or something like that. Of us - of who? "The only way to get to the future is together". That that means "humans and machines together" is something suggested by Hamann, NOT by the Oracle.

And then there is Seraph's "I protect that which matters most". he protects the most important program? By the most obvious analogy, seraphims protect the truth.

Oh well, this is too long again... sorry...

LoL it is too loong, but it is very good...

Originally posted by yanka
That's a tough one! However, I don't think he knew beforehand that Neo would choose to save her, unless he knows everything Neo himself "knows" (and then this annoying MIAM thing gains validity).

But still, why inform Neo anyway, why present him with choice? I really wish Neo wouldn't have been so "not too bright" and figured it out himself: if ever Trinity would be in danger, then would probably be the time.

It does parallel what Neo said to the Oracle, though: "how can I ever make a choice?" The Oracle says "because you already made the choice, and now you have to understand it." Why does the Architect help him understand it? After watching M2 4 times, I still have no idea! Why do you think? In "real life" we are not always so well-informed to make the choices we "would make". Age-long debate on the nature of "free will", I suppose. Ty chital Solzhenitsyna?

P.S. The Oracle does not lie.
In M1, she never uttered the words "you are not the one." In M2, she tells him that he is the One (as confirmed indirectly by the Architect), and that he has to go to the source. Well, he does have to go to the source - otherwise how would he find out what is really going on?! She does not tell him "you have to choose Zion over Trinity", but she does tell him "Zion will fall". Well, that does seem to be the choice he is presented with - Zion's fall vs Trinity's fall. The Oracle still hasn't lied. Neo is really not too bright to say that the prophecy was a lie! It was simply an unpleasant truth.

What's interesting is: who is the Oracle? Did you notice she does not confirm she is a program? Neo says "you are not human." She says "it's tough to get anymore obvious than that." Doesn't say "yep, I'm a program". During the subsequent line of guessing on Neo's part she just says stuff like "keep going".

He asks her about the exile programs, and she says "well, [they are] not like me!" Logically, it is possible to continue "because I am not a program". Then she refers to the Merovingian "he is the oldest of us" or something like that. Of us - of who? "The only way to get to the future is together". That that means "humans and machines together" is something suggested by Hamann, NOT by the Oracle.

And then there is Seraph's "I protect that which matters most". he protects the most important program? By the most obvious analogy, seraphims protect the truth.

Oh well, this is too long again... sorry...

"I'd say you're part of this system and so is he (looking at seraph)." (Neo)
"you're right so far" (oracle)
"then the most obvious question is....how can i trust you?"
"Bingo!"

she says something like that, and it confirms that she's a program atleast I think its pretty obvious with those quotes.

and us would the exile programs

Here is that part of the conversation, taken from here (http://www.angelfire.com/alt/dadumafugu/Neo-Oracle_Dialog.htm)

Oracle: I know. So, let’s get the obvious stuff out of the way.
Neo: You’re not human, are you?
Oracle: Well, it’s tough to get anymore obvious then that.
Neo: If I had to guess. I’d say you are a program from the machine world. So is he.
Oracle: So far, so good.
Neo: But, if that’s true. That can mean you are a part of this system. Another kind of control.
Oracle: Keep going.
Neo: I suppose the most obvious question is, how can I trust you?
Oracle: Bingo! This is a pickle, no doubt about it. Bad news is, there is no way you can really know whether I’m here to help you or not. So, it’s really up to you. Just have to make up your own damn mind to either accept what I’m going to tell you or reject it. Candy?

I am not sure I quite beleive she is not a program myself, but she does not confirm that she is. It seems what she's trying to get him to realize is that he has to choose whether to trust her.

But, now that I've read that conversation, I am at a loss as to what Neo knew his choice would be - save Trinity, or the human race.

Originally posted by yanka
But, now that I've read that conversation, I am at a loss as to what Neo knew his choice would be - save Trinity, or the human race.

I think we're supposed to wonder about that. Going into M3, that really is the question. What exactly did Neo's choice accomplish? The audience is, for the most part, viewing this story through Neo. He hasn't fully understood his choice yet, so we, the audience, can't quite grasp it either. (unless we're gotten hold of the script!)

By the way, yanka, your comments are some of the most insightful I've seen on this forum.

Well, what Neo's choice did accomplish is not as much of a problem to me. Neo's choice is "screw everybody else, I'm gonna save my love" or something like that. Accomplishes (or buys him) 24 hours (or however long it is), I guess. What I wonder about is: when did he KNOW about that? Did he know that when he was talking to the Oracle? Becase he says "i can't do that, I won't" before he even "knows" Zion would be involved.

The mystery is: what is the nature of his "choice"? Because he still does not "understand" it until the Architect puts it in his face for the 2nd time ("she's going to die.."). One explanation is that Neo is just... well, to be polite... "not too bright"...

The other explanation is that the Brothers want to keep us guessing - and that, I would say, is the most "predictable" move. However, for one, it raises the question of "what were the other Ones' choices like?". Secondly, and most importantly, it leaves us with "why did the Architect present Neo with a choice?" Thirdly, there is a thing about choices in Ms - and I think they are represented by doors. If you follow my line of logic about doors, the first choice Neo TRULY makes is the one to save Trinity. But then again, it seems it was up to the Architect to reveal what to "choose from"... and why would he do that? You see what I'm saying?

Anyway, thanx for your compliment, and I hope you see more insightful comments than mine here :)

The fact that Architect informed Neo that Trinity enters the Matrix had no effect on Neo’s choice.

a. He was decided yet

b. If Trinity didn’t enter the Matrix (exactly as Neo asked her to), would he choose the door to the source? I think no. Because if the Matrix had been reloaded they wouldn’t have met again. The only acceptable way for him was left door.