neo's powers

since neo is the ONE...is there a limit to his powers?

Good Question That, well there really cant be a limit to his powers once hes inside the matrix since he can break the rules and that but still im not sure i aint brainy enuff im only a pill... :confused:

i'd have to say that if there is no limit. but if this were true why doesnt neo just be like i'm a black hole...no more twin agents. guess i'm just going to have to wait another 25 hours to find out

I Guess So :D

I would assume that with that level of power, there is the risk that he kills the people he's trying to save or kill the people he's friends with.

Sure, he's a black hole and kills the earth. What's going to happen to those 6billion people still plugged in?

This movie is a chessgame.

-WC-

WC is exactly right, he can't just destroy the matrix as it would have massive consequences.

killing off everyone in the matrix may mean that the machines would die as well, but that remains to be seen in the sequel.

the point is not to destroy the Matrix but to destroy th machines who run the matrix from the real world. once that is done, only then will the problem be solved. otherwise it will be a continuous war between man and machines. now, how the hell do they destroy the machines in the real world???

Originally posted by inevitability
the point is not to destroy the Matrix but to destroy th machines who run the matrix from the real world. once that is done, only then will the problem be solved. otherwise it will be a continuous war between man and machines. now, how the hell do they destroy the machines in the real world???

I think you might have to wait until November for that one.

aaron and i are in the library 3rd period right now...we cant wait to go see Matrix reloaded tonite...we are like crappin our pants here we are so excited

Surely the clones will put an end to his reign :p :p :p :p :p

i think Neo is "the one" because he can see through the matrix more clearly than anyone else. i believe he can see the code around him, the code everywhere, and use that knowledge to bend and break "rules" or read other peoples movements before they happen.

I would have to say that there is no limit to his powers i mean he has all control of the matrix and can destroy it at will but i dont really think that he would risk it because he would be killing all of his freinds that are still plugged in and the billions of people that are also plugged in.

Neo

what do we know from the movies or wherever that says he can destroy the matrix is my question?

I didn't know neo got friends.

yeah, neo's friends were tons of help in the movie.. wait no they werent. -- seriously where did the idea originate that neo is all powerful and can destroy the matrix?

Just a thought, but what if his power simply lies in the fact that Trinity loves him? What would happen if she stopped loving him? Would whoever she loved have the power?

thats an interesting point.. maybe trinity is the power for the one. the oracle (correct me if im wrong) said that the one she fell in love with would be the one. not she would fall in love with the one. (i think)

Neo can manipulate the reality of the matrix to whatever he wants. I haven't seen Reloaded yet (that will happen in about an hour) but it seemed to me from the end of The Matrix that the only limitation to his power was his own imagination. Realizing he was The One didn't necessarily mean he developed brilliance of imagination or the most effectiveness of his powers.

For example, why didn't he just make the bullets disappear instantaneously or better yet make them reverse to fire back on the agents? That way he would have saved a heck of a lot of time and he could have gotten out of the matrix sooner so that his friends wouldn't have been at risk of being attacked by the sentinels in the "real" world. Instead, he inefficiently makes the bullets stop, grabs one nonchalantly in mid air, and then waits a while for Agent Smith to attack him. He takes a while to subdue Agent Smith and he ultimately kills Agent Smith's body in a bizarre, but inefficient way jeopardizing the lives of his friends under attack from the sentinels. Why couldn't he just snap his fingers and make the agents turn to dust?

So there were many ways he could have used his newfound powers in the matrix more wisely but it was limited by his imagination (and also obviously to make it a more dramatic ending by the moviemakers). I suspect in Reloaded there will also be many examples where one can think of better ways to use his powers but for one reason or another Neo chooses to do things the way he likes (such as using martial arts instead of turning agents into dust). It makes for a more entertaining movie that way anyway though.

i think the only limit to what he can do would be the human feeling of being unsure about oneself. if you are not sure can do it then.. you cant

If Neo destroyed the Matrix, wouldn't that kill him? Because wouldn't he have to be "plugged in" to the Matrix to destroy it?

a war is a war is a war. to save the world, to save humanity, lives have to be sacrificed. besides, those people are no more than dead neways, they dont even know if they r alive or dead...atleast someone thinks of rescuing them,

the thing about neo killing people is that until those people are unplugged they are a part of the construct, hence a part of the matrix.

Neo does have ultimate control, not over the matrix, but over himself in the matrix. When neo first becomes the one he flexes and the matrix "warbles" around him, the rest of the world doesn't change. Plus, neo can do things like fly, and the others can't? why you ask? because Neo can manipulate HIMSELF in the matrix, but not others.

so you can conclude that although Neo is the One and can manipulate the matrix to his will, the actual amount of area he can effect is limited. After all, technically he is just a program running within the matrix.

Asd. excellent post, great point, well put.

-WC-

Well societyismatrix
to your paragraphs i think your parlty right that he is limited by his way of imagination and mind and i also think that he's held back by his mind and he's just more free mind than everyone else but if he could free his mind all the way he probably could destroy the machines main brain from the inside out. till later by!

Hi there,
Yes there is a limit in his powers since he still is a human. He can manipulate the world and change it; yet he can't think the unthinkable. This might seem contradictory since being the one makes him more than a human. So I guess he is capable of more than normal humans (he has a stronger and wider mind or something); but nevertheless he is a human and his powers have to accept him being human. :confused:

What if neo is not all human?

I would say that he is limited in his powers by the confines of matrix program itself. If you remember what Morpheus says in M1 (this is not an exact quote), that rules of the Matrix can be bent and some can be broken but he never says that Neo will be able to do anything he wants. He just says that Neo will have greater ability to change the world around him but never says he will be "all powerful".

he can do the same as any of the programes and the matrix because he can do what the matrix can do that is why he can beat the matrix

Yet he can also manipulate reality; so he is capable of more than the matrix and other programs (except for Agent Smith perhaps, who therefor also received his extra powers in some way from Neo).

What do you mean by manipulate reality?

there cant be a limit seing how he is always using his powers and never seems to get tired

Just because he uses them all the time and does not get tired of them does not mean he wont. Maybe he is like a battary and will run out of energy...

he has the power to manipulate the matrix (for example flying, slicing Agent Smith,...) And it seems his also capable of such things in the real world (unless evidence of a 'very unlikely' emp theory prooves to be right in Revolutions).

of course there are limits otherwise wot would be the point?:cool:

Originally posted by Johnny Rotten
thats an interesting point.. maybe trinity is the power for the one. the oracle (correct me if im wrong) said that the one she fell in love with would be the one. not she would fall in love with the one. (i think)

Therein lies your answer. I believe it was "She would fall in love with the one", not "The person she fell in love with would be(come) the one"

"Love" has been the saviour twice already, so I'm not disputing the point, but I don't think Neo became The One simply because she fell in love with him.

hmmmm i think u r all thinkin about this way too much
think of him(neo) as a virus and think of the matrix as a standard computer a virus has power because it 'thinks' differently it does not obey the rules and if wot i just wrote makes no sense then fell free to send me h8 mail

Originally posted by Sammaelx9
He just says that Neo will have greater ability to change the world around him but never says he will be "all powerful".

I agree. Being all-powerful would defeat the purpose of the movie. Stopping bullets would pale in comparison to (for example) stopping time, deleting agents as they approach, etc.

Mind you, if you really want to take the movie literally, all the Architect needs to do is change the confines/rules of the program and Neo would be useless. Lets not forget the enemy are machines, but the Matrix is just software.

Architect: Delete (human/arms + legs)
"Green screen" fatal exception error.

:D

Do u reckon that u could make a program as elaborate as the matrix i mean it would be fun to try

Yo, Drakemaster
About the "he is a human and he has limited powers" thing: He is a human in the real world, but in the matrix, he is more than human. He is god-like. Once he is in the matrix, he has unlimited powers.

hmmmm mayb not i spose itd take years and who could be bothered

Agent Smith #1987,
Even in the matrix Neo's powers are still depending on his very 'human' yet solid mind

yes, for instance, the human mind cannot process information as quickly as a computer's processor can, especially if this computer is vastly advanced and capable of upgrading itself. What I see is, Neo is not limited in his powers except by his own imagination, the Matrix however is limited, why doesn't the Architect create programs that bipass the rules of the Matrix, like so many programs that run on our own computers. I would also like to point out that Neo is like a baby, just learning how to use these powers, remember, Reloaded occurs 6 months after M1, so he had time to learn the things he could do. Perhaps he still needs to learn other things

Originally posted by TheArchitect
If Neo destroyed the Matrix, wouldn't that kill him? Because wouldn't he have to be "plugged in" to the Matrix to destroy it?

thats a good point, how wud he destroy da matrix?

Cudn't he destroy the code from outside somehow?????????

If you ask me, I think that the limit of Neos powers aren't set by any restraints within the Matrix, they are just like the Johari window in psychology, there's the open part of a relationship you have with someone, what you inform the other person, there's the closed, which you know about yourself but you dont' reveal to the other person, then there's the Blind part, what the other person sees in you that you don't yet know about yourself, then there's the Unknown part about yourself, what you don't yet know about yourself.

What I'm trying to say, is if you take what I just said and look closely at the first and second movies and take the time to see how it relates to the movies, it'll make more sense than many of the answers posted so far.

Here's some clues. Neo had help from his friends to find out about himself, and he was put into situations which would better reveal the real Neo. Remember something else, in the first movie, he asks Morpheous that he'll be able to dodge bullets and Morpheous replies, "when you're ready, you won't have to."

Remember, there is no spoon.

Neo is probably the first human mutant. He's the first person to use over 5% of his brain powers. Enough to give him powers in the real world.. remember the little monk child who showed him the flexibility of "the spoon". I think it has something to do with that.

I don't think Neo is a 'mutant'; he is The One. Perhaps a mutated/evolved The One --> not quite the same.

I feel once he understands his powers more and more, there is no limit

Neo is the true One, he has no limit to his powers, he just have to learn how to use them in Zion, the same way hid did in the Matrix.

I agree with you willow cause at the end of reloaded it showed him stoping the sentenials but i also think there hope for all of the other people who have been unplugged from the matrix and they just haven't relized there potenial of what they can do unlike neo who learned to free his mind in the matrix and the real world well later!

yeah as batosai said, Neo gives the others hope, as you all might have noticed, the other humans weren't having their faces wiped across the floor as much as in the first movie, I believe this is because when they see Neo fight they gain hope and become better themselves

I think Neo doesn't know how to be a black hole in the Matrix anyway. His powers are still developing and his evolution is seen even during Reloaded when he revives Trinity. Think about it.

There are no limit to neo's powers. But yet he cant go overboard or he will kill hella humans as WILDCARD said:cool:

There are no limits to his powers but did he know that at the start of reloaded? No. Does he relize that he can do more than he thinks thoughout the movie? Yes. Does he know for a fact that he can do damn near whatever he puts his mind to at the end ( stopping the sentinals)? Yes. But more needs to be seen. Don't cha think? ;)

hmmm... There are limits,..., I guess.

can neo duplicate like smith?...

cuz if he has the ultimate control then he must be able to...

also at the second matrix you see jet li figting neo but neo must be able to beat him cuz he is the fastest of hte fastest...
im sory if im wrong im goin to see da realoaded on saturday...

Abelias, i think your right cuz if smith can duplicate then neo can do it also cuz he went into smith therefore thats why smith can do the things that he can do. and jet li thing thats just a possiblity cuz jet li is portrayed as a program with out limits.

I agree...

What time is it where everyone is?

10:06

Really?!?! Here it's 6:15pm!!

hey where do you live I-like-cheese?

Yeah, but like the black hole thing, would Neo do it? You have to remember, Smith is taking over a person's body, a person that is in the matrix, he is overwriting their brain just like happened to that one dude. If Neo did it, he would be overtaking another person, destroying that person. Unless Neo can reverse it once its done, not if its still in the process of copying, he would do it, and then he would only do it when he needs it.

ATARI YOU STOLE MY SIG.

I haven't seen Matrix Reloaded yet, i'm seeing it on Saturday, i live in England btw

Neo can NOT duplicate himself.

Why can't he? It is only signals from his mind that are in the matrix, if he wanted to copy himself, he need only use these electrical signals, record them and copy them over someone elses, and voi la, another Neo, but as I said, he probably wouldn't do this because it would be destroying another person's mind

NeosDestiny
i totally agree with you NeosDestiny
cuase he could it but he wouldn't risk hurting one of the people in the matrix. it wouldn't be right to any person with the right mind to just copy and they are just gone soo i agree with NeosDestiny
about this.

i think smith can do more things then neo cuz he is unplugged all he has to do is believe....

cuz wen neo was unplugged he could do almost nothin
but smith already could do cool things

If smith can do more than Neo, than why couldn't he beat him, let alone 100 of him beat him. It's as simple as that, Neo can do more. Smith isn't as versitile, he isn't the AI, he is simply a program, a program that once had a function, but because it doesn't anymore, its previous potentials aren't guarded by the mainfrain of the system. Afterall, the matrix wants to protect the people in it also, because they are batteries. However, because smith's actions are only bounded by the rules of "earth" and not his purpose, he can use everything, that for all we know, he had already

i hav been reading some postings and read about neo destroying the matrix but heres an idea, if they wanted to destroy it without killing all the other of millions of people in the matrix why dont they just try and get as many people as they can out of the matrix and make a rebelion to destroy the machines, it might jus be one of my mad ideas but tell me what you think . :)

i have been thinking couldnt every 1 like morpheous and trinity be just as good as neo if they just "free thier minds" couldnt they just do as good as neo and have the same powers neo could be jus the way he is because every1 believed in him. i think that trinity might hav something to do with him [Neo] being the 1 as some 1 else said that the oracle said that the person she fell in love would be the one not she will fall in love "with the one"


but anyway i canot wait to see matrix reloaded :D

Hey yeah you so need to see it.

i totally agree with you guys with that everyone should be able to do things like neo can.

Neo can't duplicate himself! Smith can because he is a program. Neo is not!:cool:

thedrakemaster, i agree with you b/c he is not a program like smith so don't worry b/c neo doesn't need to duplicate himself to win anyway.

who said he could duplicate himself anyway

very true but remember... there are some rules you can bend... others you can break.

What's that supposed to mean?
You might consider explaining thineself.:p