Neo's program is altered through his mouth.
Remember the woman who was affected by the cake that the Merovingian gave her in Reloaded? She ate the cake, she changed. How did Neo leave the Matrix in the first film? He swallowed a pill. Why did Persephone kiss him in Reloaded? She wanted to download information from him. How about the Oracle? Did you notice that whenever they meet, she gives him something to eat? In The Matrix, she gives him a cookie and tells him that by the time he finishes the cookie, he'll feel better. Hmm. The Oracle is also a program. Her job is to keep Neo on track...because he is the product of several efforts to perfectly emulate and understand humanity, he is hard to control, and thus she guides him. And when he's too far off course, she alters his program. She also gives him candy in Reloaded. What information did Persephone want? She is the one referred to by the Architecht as "the mother of the Matrix". Her job is to understand the emotions of humans. She is also a program
Sorry if its a bit long. Not only is this a good excuse for Keanu Reeves' robotic performance, but it explains a lot. The Architect says to him: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Neo's "life" is the result of programming problems. He has free will, but he is still guided by the program of the Matrix. Other programs exist in the Matrix to keep him moving towards his reason for existing.What is his purpose? To help understand human nature and thus more effectively control it. We learn that there were five "One"s before Neo. Each time, they attempted to learn what was needed to keep everyone happy, thus maintaining the symbiotic relationship between man and machine to insure the survival of both.Morpheus talks about the first "One" in The Matrix: When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth. As long as the Matrix exists the human race will never be free. That person was a program. And the Masked Reviewer believes that program appears in The Matrix Reloaded as...the Merovingian. But how could he free anyone if he was born inside? Neo had to be rescued by other people, picked up in a ship, and healed.
I hope all this helps explain some of your questions. yes it does alot that is a good point
i would ahve never thought of that at all Originally posted by the one #2
yes it does alot that is a good point
i would ahve never thought of that at all
Thats good... Thats what i was aiming for. Good theory Hoodlum, fits together nicely Although I still think Neo's human;) Originally posted by FreeYourMindXx
Good theory Hoodlum, fits together nicely
why thank you;) Originally posted by FreeYourMindXx
Although I still think Neo's human;)
Why do you think that? :p Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
Why do you think that? :p
Everyone constantly refers to him as "only being human", but that could be a potential twist in Revolutions if hes not..;) Anyway, also just the little comments, like when that main counselor guy [white hair] meets Neo outside in Zion at night. He tells him that restless sleep is in fact a sign that he's still human.
Of course, I could be wrong Originally posted by FreeYourMindXx
Everyone constantly refers to him as "only being human", but that could be a potential twist in Revolutions if hes not..;) Anyway, also just the little comments, like when that main counselor guy [white hair] meets Neo outside in Zion at night. He tells him that restless sleep is in fact a sign that he's still human.
Of course, I could be wrong
You make a good arguement. That could be true.. I'm not sure. Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
You make a good arguement. That could be true.. I'm not sure.
We'll see;) Originally posted by FreeYourMindXx
We'll see;)
Yep, we sure will :p. Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
Yep, we sure will :p.
:D Originally posted by FreeYourMindXx
:D
lol, :D Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
lol, :D
lmao;)
You know this could go on for hours.... Sorry if this is really a stupid and slow question, but if Neo is a program how come he exists outside of the Matrix? Is the outside of the matrix a program itself too? Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
Neo's program is altered through his mouth.
Remember the woman who was affected by the cake that the Merovingian gave her in Reloaded? She ate the cake, she changed. How did Neo leave the Matrix in the first film? He swallowed a pill. Why did Persephone kiss him in Reloaded? She wanted to download information from him. How about the Oracle? Did you notice that whenever they meet, she gives him something to eat? In The Matrix, she gives him a cookie and tells him that by the time he finishes the cookie, he'll feel better. Hmm. The Oracle is also a program. Her job is to keep Neo on track...because he is the product of several efforts to perfectly emulate and understand humanity, he is hard to control, and thus she guides him. And when he's too far off course, she alters his program. She also gives him candy in Reloaded. What information did Persephone want? She is the one referred to by the Architecht as "the mother of the Matrix". Her job is to understand the emotions of humans. She is also a program
Sorry if its a bit long.
way to copy a reviewers predictions!!
Try to formulate your own theories!! just because the oracle supposedly guides him through food, does not mean he isn't human. the woman who took the cake was human, but the cake still affected her. these 'treats' they give him could simply work off of emotion which are only chemicals. something to think about or mabey all that food is a program!
just a thought:p HI i love matrix reloaded:cool: i have seen it 15 times i think neo is a robot Originally posted by JWshorteo
way to copy a reviewers predictions!!
Try to formulate your own theories!!
hey, chill out man, if every had to have there own theories about this stuff then this site would be so chaotic.....for example:the whole matrix inside a matrix...which i think is abunch of crap.....so just chill out....and let the guy speak some words Originally posted by code112
HI i love matrix reloaded:cool: i have seen it 15 times i think neo is a robot
neo is not a robot...no way in hell..... at the beginning of the speech the architect says, "you remain human, there are thing you won't understand".
if you believe he lies here, then he could lie anywhere in his monologue, hence i believe neo is only part program. somehow. neo is a program. Everything is a program, Zion, trinity. They are the result of programming problems, they are "the virus" of the matrix, and you have to remember the name of the movie, RELOADED. Why?, Other programmin problem, is the fluctation, this is the 7th time that the story repeats (this is explained by the architect). This time, the story has change, trinity is alive, an agent survived, "the last survivor of the massacre" and neo knows the truth.
"When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us", this is Neo, but the previous version, the 6th version. actually the current time they are doing it is the 6th time...neo isnt the 7th he is the sixth...the architect says, "we have done this 5 times now, and we are getting very effiecient at it.." but hey who is counting Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
Not only is this a good excuse for Keanu Reeves' robotic performance, but it explains a lot. The Architect says to him: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent in the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden deciduously avoided it is not unexpected and thus not beyond a measure of control. Neo's "life" is the result of programming problems. He has free will, but he is still guided by the program of the Matrix. Other programs exist in the Matrix to keep him moving towards his reason for existing.What is his purpose? To help understand human nature and thus more effectively control it. We learn that there were five "One"s before Neo. Each time, they attempted to learn what was needed to keep everyone happy, thus maintaining the symbiotic relationship between man and machine to insure the survival of both.Morpheus talks about the first "One" in The Matrix: When the Matrix was first built, there was a man born inside who had the ability to change whatever he wanted, to remake the Matrix as he saw fit. It was he who freed the first of us, taught us the truth. As long as the Matrix exists the human race will never be free. That person was a program. And the Masked Reviewer believes that program appears in The Matrix Reloaded as...the Merovingian. But how could he free anyone if he was born inside? Neo had to be rescued by other people, picked up in a ship, and healed.
I hope all this helps explain some of your questions.
Yup. Completely copied from another person's post....
http://www.matrixreloaded.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2703
(this link was also copied from someone else) on and on ....
..... and see how deep the rabbit hole goes... nope he is full blown human! you said"How did Neo leave the Matrix in the first film? He swallowed a pill. Why did Persephone kiss him in Reloaded? She wanted to download information from him. How about the Oracle? Did you notice that whenever they meet, she gives him something to eat? In The Matrix, she gives him a cookie and tells him that by the time he finishes the cookie, he'll feel better. Hmm. The Oracle is also a program"
i will answer every question that you tried to answer so pay attention dude:
neo swallowed the red pill because morpheus gave him the choice to belive or not belive. HE chose to belive in morpheus.that had nothing to do with leaving the matrix other than he had the choice to!!!
Next question "Why did Persephone kiss him in Reloaded? She wanted to download information from him."
ok hear it is she kissed him so she could remember what it was like to be in that deep of love.she wasnt exactly downloading information although she was because she is a program(if that made any sense keep reading cus im not sure im following this either)in the first matrix morpheus generally state that veryone has a code."you are either one of them or one of us" then neo asks "what are they?" morpheus says they are a program able to jump other programs...... This means that everyone still connect are potentially an agent. If neo is unplugged that this means she was only trying to remeber what this was like even in the matrix people w ho are unplugged have a code so you are half right and half wrong.ill give you some credit for that.
then you asked "How about the Oracle? Did you notice that whenever they meet, she gives him something to eat? In The Matrix, she gives him a cookie and tells him that by the time he finishes the cookie, he'll feel better. Hmm. The Oracle is also a program"this is my answer:
so what she is a program that states the future.she gave him a cookie oh wow when he is done with it he will feel all better.that just means she knows what is gonna happen..yeah the oracle is a program that is designed to do what she does.the oracle is there for neo to tell him what to do next or she breiflly tells him what si going to occur in the future.notice in m1 that she said that morpheus is so convinced that you are the one that he will risk his own life to save yours,In one hand you will have morpheus's life and in the other you will have your life.You have the choice will it be your life or will it be his life?that is a good exaple of the oracle guiding neo and give=ing his breif explanations.
I conclude that neo is not even part program .but fully roboticlly grown human fleshI hope this answers and reanswers your questions........
[SIZE=3][B][I][U][COLOR=orange] you are wrong about the persphone downloading stuff from neo when she gives him a kisss .... in the enter the matrix game the character you are playing has to kiss persephone in order to save your the other character ya, the only reason why she likes to kiss is because her and merogrivin(or however you spell it) used to have a love like that but now they dont..she wanted to be reminded of what it was like to be kissed by someone who REALLY TRUELY loves you i know this because for one thing: before she kisses someone she always finds out if they are in love...then says for them to kiss her like they were kissing thier loved one...the other reason why is because...welll..she said it in M2 If the subject didn't get you interested in what I am to say next then you'll have to read on because you won't be dissappointed. I do believe it is a matrix inside a matrix. Why? you might add. Well, the first and almost overwhelmingly convincing statement I have is when the architect told Neo that they have destroyed Zion FIVE TIMES, and have become increasingly effiencient at it. How could Zion be rebuilt??? It's the last human civilization in the middle of no where(the middle of the earth,sort of). Can you just imagine how hard it would to rebuild Zion. Morpheus said they have been there for a century...so what five times a hundred is five hundred. Doesn't this seem like an awfully long time to out last the army on the surface. The only way to explain such a happening would be to say that Zion is also a part of the Matrix and is their for those who can't be withheld (or maybe just their for looks, kinda like when the French dude said that so many things are just for looks) inside the original Matrix to give them a false sense of freedom...maybe. But, this is a theory. I'm only trying to reason why the Architext said "they have destoyed Zion five times and have become increasingly effiencient at it"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And also reasoning why he could stop those sentinells. He is now part of the matirx program so this entitles him to control certain things. I also believe that Neo is human but has become part computer because Agent Smith imprinted part of him on Neo just like Neo imprinted something on Agent Smith when Neo went inside Smith. He's more of a human now because NOW he can REPRODUCE...in a manner of speaking. And so, Neo is now more a program, Agent Smith is more of a human and they battle, one for absolute power the other for freedom. But, my main idea is that Zion is also in the matrix and there is a lot more to be revealed since they truley are not in the REAL world. Any response to this would be great, am i wrong is there something you want to add, do you think I'm right completely or somewhat...or even a moron that should keep his ideas to himself? Why analyze such a great movie anyway? It's still too soon to start making assumptions on anything. Besides, no offense to you Matirx fanatics (me being one of them to my boyfriend's dismay) but it is just a movie and they should never be over analyzed. It just ruins the effects and hard work that went into it. Besides, there are alwaying going to be details left out of a movie for the sake of time. I don't think any of you (nor me for that matter) would want to sit through 6 hours of the Matrix just so that we can understand every last bit of it. I really like your theories and I see what you're getting at and completely understand but it really is not worth the time and energy that you people spend and use analyzing movie gaps and mistakes. It really is time to take a break and face the "real world". Sorry, I'm off my soap box. Just love the movie for what it is and the AWESOME job that was done, because it was FREAK AWWWWWWESOME! Anyway. Have a good day all and TTFN
-P Originally posted by Paika
Why analyze such a great movie anyway? It's still too soon to start making assumptions on anything. Besides, no offense to you Matirx fanatics (me being one of them to my boyfriend's dismay) but it is just a movie and they should never be over analyzed. It just ruins the effects and hard work that went into it. Besides, there are alwaying going to be details left out of a movie for the sake of time. I don't think any of you (nor me for that matter) would want to sit through 6 hours of the Matrix just so that we can understand every last bit of it. I really like your theories and I see what you're getting at and completely understand but it really is not worth the time and energy that you people spend and use analyzing movie gaps and mistakes. It really is time to take a break and face the "real world". Sorry, I'm off my soap box. Just love the movie for what it is and the AWESOME job that was done, because it was FREAK AWWWWWWESOME! Anyway. Have a good day all and TTFN
-P
Analyzing things doesn't ruin effects or the hard work that went into it. This board was made to talk about the movie, exchange thoughts, etc. If you don't agree with that, then dont post here;) Perhaps its not worth the time but hey if we want to take a few minutes out of the long summer day to write a post, it wont hurt anything. Understanding more about the movies makes it that much better. It is pertty soon for all the assumptions, but some people think it's fun to theorize, so, let them:)
However I do agree with the last part. I apologize if I seemed rude. I don't mean to ruin things for the board. I sincerely apologize...:D I was just voiceing (and yes, though I am educated, I still can't spell and don't feel like looking it up or asking.) my opinion and I apologize if it seemed controling or rude in anyway. I still think they have incredible theories and I congradulate them on they're brilliance. I never would have thought about it that way. 'Course, I usually just don't bother. I always figure there isn't enough time in a movie to fit everything you want in it anyway. Anyway. Have a good day all! Originally posted by Paika
I apologize if I seemed rude. I don't mean to ruin things for the board. I sincerely apologize...:D I was just voiceing (and yes, though I am educated, I still can't spell and don't feel like looking it up or asking.) my opinion and I apologize if it seemed controling or rude in anyway. I still think they have incredible theories and I congradulate them on they're brilliance. I never would have thought about it that way. 'Course, I usually just don't bother. I always figure there isn't enough time in a movie to fit everything you want in it anyway. Anyway. Have a good day all!
No need to apologize:) You voiced your opinion and I voiced mine. I agree, however I've made a few threads of my theories too, so, what can I say... I don't think you can live in the real world and not be real yourself. Everybody is a program inside the Matrix because the Matrix is a program of its own. But, to be pulled from that program into the real world, you therefore have to become real when pulled from it. If you're a program inside a program than you've got to be a real being inside the real world. So, when in the Matrix..Neo is a program. When in the real world...he is real. So it fits both ways. Great theory though. ok, first off:
everyone is overanalyizing this.
i think that MIAM is a load of crap
neo cant be a program, because he was locked up with all the humans.
the oracle gave him food beacause she is polite
when morpheus was talking about the first "one" he was actually talking about the fifth "one" because he didnt know that there were more "ones".
morpheus was not one of the 23 chosen, but a result of one of those 23 freeing him.
we know this because at the end of Reloaded, we hear of the destruction of zion. reloaded refers to what happened when neo chose the door to save trinity. the matrix reloaded (rebooted)
the destruction of zion is not the detruction of the current zion, but the destruction of the fifth zion, because the matrix reloaded and was back at the end of 5.0 and the beginning of 6.0. these versions, as all of them, are seperated by the destruction of zion
we know this because in the Revolutions (which refers to a complete spin, as in the matrix repeating itself, not a revolt) trailer, we see the humans of zion protecting it.
there are two major fights in revoltuions. the war in zion. and the fight between Neo and Smith.
it's based on Revelations from the bible. according to christianity, there will be a final fight for mankind. let's look at machines as demons, people as, well, people.
now look at Smith as Satan and Neo as God.
does that make more sense now?
by the way, your feedback is appreciated Originally posted by GLASS
ok, first off:
everyone is overanalyizing this.
i think that MIAM is a load of crap
neo cant be a program, because he was locked up with all the humans.
the oracle gave him food beacause she is polite
when morpheus was talking about the first "one" he was actually talking about the fifth "one" because he didnt know that there were more "ones".
morpheus was not one of the 23 chosen, but a result of one of those 23 freeing him.
we know this because at the end of Reloaded, we hear of the destruction of zion. reloaded refers to what happened when neo chose the door to save trinity. the matrix reloaded (rebooted)
the destruction of zion is not the detruction of the current zion, but the destruction of the fifth zion, because the matrix reloaded and was back at the end of 5.0 and the beginning of 6.0. these versions, as all of them, are seperated by the destruction of zion
we know this because in the Revolutions (which refers to a complete spin, as in the matrix repeating itself, not a revolt) trailer, we see the humans of zion protecting it.
there are two major fights in revoltuions. the war in zion. and the fight between Neo and Smith.
it's based on Revelations from the bible. according to christianity, there will be a final fight for mankind. let's look at machines as demons, people as, well, people.
now look at Smith as Satan and Neo as God.
does that make more sense now?
by the way, your feedback is appreciated
Right, I totally agree. The MIAM teory was never a solution for me... and Neo is not a program.. just look at all the proof saying he's human..... For example people repeatively say "he's only human" And take the main counselor at Zion [white haired guy] He told Neo that a sign of his disturbed sleeping was a good thing because it proved he was still very human. Crahan you stated:
Interesting, yet the most inportant line "you remain irrevocably human" has been left out so his theory actually makes some sense. Put that line back in and the reviewers theory falls apart like a house of cards.
I don't think that makes the theory fall apart, but re-inforces it.
If Neo is a program designed to understand human psyche, the architect has through the various iterations of the Neo (or 'One') program, being making corrections and adjustments (that's why Neo can fall in love in his current iteration).
But with all these human qualities (and resulting 'powers' since he is a 'human' program without the limitations), he has human failings (emotion, illogical actions, caused by 'love').
So when the Architect says "you remain irrevocably human", that might just be a ruse indicating that Neo is a program designed so human (as in AI) that he has all the human failings and characteristics (thus 'irrevocably human'.
Just my 2cents (or 16 South African cents at fridays exchange rate) Crahan you stated:
Interesting, yet the most inportant line "you remain irrevocably human" has been left out so his theory actually makes some sense. Put that line back in and the reviewers theory falls apart like a house of cards.
I don't think that makes the theory fall apart, but re-inforces it.
If Neo is a program designed to understand human psyche, the architect has through the various iterations of the Neo (or 'One') program, being making corrections and adjustments (that's why Neo can fall in love in his current iteration).
But with all these human qualities (and resulting 'powers' since he is a 'human' program without the limitations), he has human failings (emotion, illogical actions, caused by 'love').
So when the Architect says "you remain irrevocably human", that might just be a ruse indicating that Neo is a program designed so human (as in AI) that he has all the human failings and characteristics (thus 'irrevocably human'.
Just my 2cents (or 16 South African cents at fridays exchange rate) Don't you all get nothing at all? :o
If you see the new "Revolutions" poster you will see that the quote on it is "Everything that has a beginning as an end". It bascially means Zion WILL go down. The whole matrix will end and it will be the last in the movie trilogy. You may think I am a little stupid saying this from one quote on a teaser poster, but everyone assuming that Neo will save the WORLD...lol It is going to be a surprise and the matrix will fall with the final fight at the end of the movie. Wait and see 5 months and counting... How do I know all this? You tell me :cool:Don't you all get it anything at all? :o Why analyze such a great movie anyway? It's still too soon to start making assumptions on anything. Besides, no offense to you Matirx fanatics (me being one of them to my boyfriend's dismay) but it is just a movie and they should never be over analyzed. It just ruins the effects and hard work that went into it. Besides, there are alwaying going to be details left out of a movie for the sake of time. I don't think any of you (nor me for that matter) would want to sit through 6 hours of the Matrix just so that we can understand every last bit of it. I really like your theories and I see what you're getting at and completely understand but it really is not worth the time and energy that you people spend and use analyzing movie gaps and mistakes. It really is time to take a break and face the "real world". Sorry, I'm off my soap box. Just love the movie for what it is and the AWESOME job that was done, because it was FREAK AWWWWWWESOME! Anyway. Have a good day all and TTFN
That's what makes the movie so great :)
Star Wars wasn't exactly revolutionary in concept, but all the gaps that were left untold made people talk about it for years to come. It really helped boost it into a pop-culture item.
Who was Darth Vader? Why was there a Rebellion? Et cetera... Of course these answers were spoiled in the years to come by the prequels, but the prequels created new ones. I'm sure you'll find a ton of posts on any Star Wars forum speculating on who Master Syphodias is.
To me a great movie leaves people wondering the whats and whos and whys. A great movie makes people talk, discuss, argue, speculate.
The Matrix trilogy is one of these rare gems. Not many movies have achieved this level of depth and mystery. Yep, i'm sure it is, you should read the theory i posted in a thread call "Neo is a human with AI", many of your ideas complement this theory and viceversa. fine, just don't compare star wars with matrix again.
WB play with the best, stanley kubrick, lynch, real directors.
the 1 line thema of the good against evil in star wars,thank you but i really can't be bothered by that.
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