Verbose theories...

A very interesting read.

http://blogs.salon.com/0001797/2003/05/19.html (http://blogs.salon.com/0001797/2003/05/19.html)

Interesting, but to ignore the matrix in matrix theory means that you have to assume that neo has control of machines in the real world because of the Smith/Neo interaction.

But why would Smith in ANY existance have the power to zap sentinels at all?

-WC-

The MIAM theory is absolutely, positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, NOT true, and with that said, Neo's abilities in the real world have nothing to do with his connection with Smith. It has everything to do with his visit from the architect. When he entered the door of light to meet the architect, he disappears from Link's screen. He is no longer in the Matrix, when he reappears, something has happened to him, and he is not the same. Link and Morpheus can no longer recognize what Neo is in the code. Whatever changed in that time can be debated, but is most likely responsible for his powers in the real world.

I have to agree with Rodion

THere is only one point I would like to make. It seems that when Neo is in 'Superman Mode' Link can not see him. I realize that early in the movie he can see him, but later on, twice to be exact, Link can not find Neo when he is flying...

The 1st time was just before Neo picked up Morpheus and the Keymaker... approximately 1hr30min into the movie.

The 2nd was the time Rodion mentioned, after Neo left the Source.

I'm just stating these things from the movie, I am in total belief of the Matrix/Real World thing, and not this idea some have of MIAM.

Maybe I'm not looking at this close enough, but I was under the impression that Link couldn't recognize Neo because he was moving so incredibly fast... After all, he was going so fast that as he past by cars and whatnot, they were swept away with him...

But as I said, maybe I'm not reading into it far enough. :confused:

Not a chance Rodion, sorry mate, I can't agree....

Since when has altering a peice of code allowed something to then interact with items that they have no connection to? This goes back to Eschudo's 'wireless Neo' theory, how can Neo interact with the Matrix when not connected? Simple, he can't, not without a 'hardware upgrade'.

Think about wireless communication, it is not possible without the hardware... so how can you think Neo is interacting with the Matrix when not connected?

Personally I think this line of argument is extremely flawed.... feel free to insult me now 8)

the theory is that the hardware is the mind itself. The liberation of the mind allows for broader understanding of capability in more than just a deceitful world such as the Matrix, but in the real world as well. Witness every feat of mankind, physical, mental, and emotional. All were probably told to be impossible at some time, but liberation of the mind from constraint allowed the breaking of new ground to be. Now, I don't think it's much of a stretch that if a mind can unfool a system that has been designed to fool every sense it has, that new neural pathways that had not previously been built would evidence themselves. And since in the charcter of Smith, we are seeing that computer code can be imprinted into the biological structure of the human mind, the answer is that Neo's mind, modified by the process of becoming the one, is the hardware, and the code imprinted in his visit to the architect is the software, that enables Neo to perfrorm previously thought impossible tasks in the real world.

So, no insults, but hopefully this makes the science in the sci-fi concept here a little more reasonable to you.

Originally posted by Rodion
the theory is that the hardware is the mind itself..[snippage]... So, no insults, but hopefully this makes the science in the sci-fi concept here a little more reasonable to you.

Nicely put, as usual.

A lot of the believers in the MIaM theory seem to need that story device to explain Neo's powers in the real world.
Why does there need to be a reason.. It's a SCI-FI (suspend your disbelief at the ticket office) movie.

I think it's reasonable to accept, without question, that characters can have certain comic-book attributes even in "the real world" of the trilogy.

Since when has altering a peice of code allowed something to then interact with items that they have no connection to?

It's sci-fi !



Think about wireless communication, it is not possible without the hardware... so how can you think Neo is interacting with the Matrix when not connected?


it's sci-fi !


:p

I agree Granulated..... but my point is not really to say that Rodion is wrong, merely to point out that he cannot be right, just like my own theories. At this point no-one can say that they are 100% right, beyond any shadow of a doubt, it just isn't possible. You cannot discount the MIAM theory, just as I cannot say that your 'wireless' theory is definatly wrong. But in my opinion the MIAM theory is more plausible. I see people everyday saying that

"The MIAM theory is absolutely, positively, beyond a shadow of a doubt, NOT true" - Rodion

But how can you say that? Did you write the script? No, well, atleast I hope not, cause if you did I am going to look like a total w*nker in a couple of minutes 8)

I find it very hard to believe that so many people can just discount a perfectly plausible theory without so much as a solid basis for their argument. I have not seen anyone give me a reason WHY the MIAM theory is wrong, I have just seen people claim that it is.

Please, anyone out there who can give me a logical reason why MIAM theory is so flawed, please let me know. PLEASE!

At this point no-one can say that they are 100% right, beyond any shadow of a doubt, it just isn't possible. You cannot discount the MIAM theory, just as I cannot say that your 'wireless' theory is definatly wrong.


Agreed. But most seasoned sci-fi geeks will agree with Rodion that the MiaM "twist" would be an enormous cheesy cop-out..
(or...in my culture-speak...A load of old bollocks)

I believe that "Miamists" (wonder if i just coined that??) MUST accept the possibility that the Miam angle will not happen...

I also believe that *some* "Realists" have every reason to completely discount the Miam theory.


Me?..I don't discount the Miam theory. I just don't think it will happen. Also...I don't want it to happen for similar reasons to Rodion.

PS... I didn't have a wireless theory !

Cheesy cop out, yes, but quite a likely result.
How many times have you ever watched a trilogy without atleast one of the parts being sh*te? I can't remember ever having done this.

So maybe it is cheesy, but I still reckon it is plausible in it's 'cheesyness' 8)



PS: I didn't mean YOUR wireless theory... It was meant in a more general way. My apologies if I didn't make myself clear on that.

Originally posted by C@ndyFl!p
Cheesy cop out, yes, but quite a likely result.
How many times have you ever watched a trilogy without atleast one of the parts being sh*te? I can't remember ever having done this.

So maybe it is cheesy, but I still reckon it is plausible in it's 'cheesyness' 8)

PS: I didn't mean YOUR wireless theory... It was meant in a more general way. My apologies if I didn't make myself clear on that.

no probs matey