The humans could have defeated the machines in the beggining!!

First of all I know I mention the Animatrix a lot in this thread but mods please leave it in this forum because it is not realy about the Animatrix, it is a theory.

I think that the humans could have defeated the machines before the big war broke out after the humans covered up the sun (as you see in Animatrix) and the machines won. After the humans had banished the machines from there world (in Second Renaissance Part I) the machines built there own settlement in the Middle East called 01. If the humans wanted to destroy the machines so badly (before things got worse for the humans and the machines destroyed them) why didnt they nuke them. You may think that this sounds silly but actually its quite logical because not only would a nuke do a lot of damage but it also gives out an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) which would disable all of the machines in the vacinity of the explosion.

And if you are thinking one nuke would not do it because 01 is too big, I was thinking that they could use most of the nukes from America and Russia (48, 000 nukes each).

So why didnt they do what Im suggesting?

Please give me your thoughts.

Originally posted by Neo6th
First of all I know I mention the Animatrix a lot in this thread but mods please leave it in this forum because it is not realy about the Animatrix, it is a theory.

I think that the humans could have defeated the machines before the big war broke out after the humans covered up the sun (as you see in Animatrix) and the machines won. After the humans had banished the machines from there world (in Second Renaissance Part I) the machines built there own settlement in the Middle East called 01. If the humans wanted to destroy the machines so badly (before things got worse for the humans and the machines destroyed them) why didnt they nuke them. You may think that this sounds silly but actually its quite logical because not only would a nuke do a lot of damage but it also gives out an EMP (Electro Magnetic Pulse) which would disable all of the machines in the vacinity of the explosion.

And if you are thinking one nuke would not do it because 01 is too big, I was thinking that they could use most of the nukes from America and Russia (48, 000 nukes each).

So why didnt they do what Im suggesting?

Please give me your thoughts.

I thought they said in either part 1 or part 2 that they DID try to nuke/bomb them, but the machines were impervious to the high temperatures/heat, and it generally didn't work. I'll have to watch again, though. It doesn't matter, though, if they'd done that we wouldn't have this awesome trilogy to watch =)

Yes, it didnt work, but I get what you're saying. But you dont KNOW that Nukes give off an EMP, you're just repeating what you heard from Ocean's Eleven, they may not give off one...

Actually I havent seen Oceans 11 my science teacher told me.

yea seriously nukes give off this huge ass EMP, but i heard something about like some chips and machines can survive reaqlly big EMP hits.

Hey, not quite. they are really sensitive and the only chance wound be to have utilized a Faraday cage skin, which would render them invulnerable to nebuchandezza primary weapon...doesn't make sense. another hole in the script?

Originally posted by potis21
Hey, not quite. they are really sensitive and the only chance wound be to have utilized a Faraday cage skin, which would render them invulnerable to nebuchandezza primary weapon...doesn't make sense. another hole in the script?

So, are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me, and whats a Faraday cage skin?

Faraday cage is a cully closed conductive box, which would not allow any radioelectric energy to get in or out. try this: get an aluminium or any other metallic box, like a pot or sth.

Find a small portable radio that fits in it, if it is much smaller, the better. find a strong radio station and set the radio loud., and then put it in the box, making sure that the antenna is not contacting the box. Put on the cover, only hiss will sound, no matter how strong the station is.

I agree that the war would be instantly over, no machines would survive,

or else the nebu's EMP weapon would be ineffective.

I haven't saw Animatrix but if humans did nuke the machines right at the beginning then we wouldn't have this amzing trilogy to watch.

after watching the animatrix, I have chosen to completely reject it except for kid's story and final flight of the osirus. I found too many logical flaws or just cornball ideas in the rest of the films. I was very dissapointed overall. And since I'm not even a big fan of animation in general, I didn't even get that kind of enjoyment out of it. Oh well...

they probble didn't nuke 'em cause of envormentalist

Advanced US Naval multiband radar systems use very fast sensor networks that can actually power down an aperture before the full force of the EMP wave hits from a nuclear detonation. When powered down, the apertures survive, and can function normally after the blast has passed.

if the emp is powerful enough, it will just fry all circuitry in the area, powered up or not. I assume that the emps used in the matrix are not that powerful, but the emps from nukes are that powerful.

if you think about it, humans vs. machines: machines would win. Machines could easily build stronger circuitry to ward off human nukes (with EMP's). But remember that one part where it says, "The machines, having studies the fragile protein-based bodies of humans, brought apon great destruction to the human race." Or something like that...

Think about it: Machines could easily use multitudes of chemical weapons against us. They could also use acid to melt our anti chemical suits. If machines built their soldiers with acid-proof and bullet proof metal, they'd be virtually indestructable to human foot soldiers with their weak conventional weaponry.

But the battle scenes in Animatrix are so fake. Think about real wars these days; all the U.S. ever does is bomb targets from 12,000 feet in the air. This type of assualt would be so much more effective than those combat suits or mech suits that the humans were using in the Animatrix.

even 20 nukes (maybe even less because modern-day nukes have around 500x more power than the Hiroshima bomb) would have enough radiation to wipe life off the face of this planet. Now you guys are saying the U.S. and Russia would both launch off 48,000 nukes each?

I was under the impression that EMPs were created only when a nuke was detonated in the ionosphere.

No, but you are close. The higher the nuke is when detonated, the further the reach of the destruction of the EMP. Supposedly the US was quite nervous about Soviet Union/CCCP pulling that.

Heck, why not? Everyone has so many nukes, why not allocate 10 of them to just be EMP generators.

I also think a side effect of it would be the large number of people blinded by the blast, and the radioactive rain. Wait, what cloud could withstand that heat?

Who knows, hopefully this will always be 'theoretical'.

-WC-

Speaking of bombs, I have done severe studies on sth. that eventually became another "HI-Tech weapon" made (again) by the U.S. (hi hi!). Okay now... An EMP gererator is not THAT hard to build, and indeed, if detonated in high altitude would burn all semi-conductor based machines.

Another part of the same story: when in early 70's a MiG 23 was landed in West Germany, with the pilot delcaring requests for diplomatic asylum or sth. like (don't know the definition in english, sorry!) the technology analysts of NATO were surprized to find that all electronic equipment of the vessel was based on electronic tubes, rather than transistors. So, they contacted their superiors declaring that USSR was really back in their technology. their superior's response was "You fools, Russians do that because electronic tubes are not effected by the EMP, in case of a nuclear war."!

Ah...yes. Machines wouldn't have to utilise acids in killing Humans, and they wouldn't because acids mainly corride metals, Neural gas would do the job much easier, choose: Sarin, VX, and the list goes on... (let's stop giving ideas out...)

Who knows, hopefully this will always be 'theoretical'

Amen to that.