Smith knows more!

ok, here's my theory, and i've been working on it for a few days. Here it goes. I believe that Agent Smith is the only person, machine, whatever he is, that knows about the matrix in matrix (by the way i support matrix in matrix theory).

Think about it, Agent Smith has always been trying to kill Neo, even after Neo destroyed Smith in M1, Smith was 'compelled' to come back. Smith is trying to eliminate the code(Neo), so that it can't be taken back to the source to reload the matrix.

Here's some things in the movies and trailers i think support this:

1. Smith was compelled for some reason to come back and 'take care' of neo

2. In M3 trailer, we here Morpheus say 'he fights for us', as he watches Smith and Neo fight, (plus, morpheous was to find the one, wasnt he!)

3. When Neo and Morpheus and Keymaker are fighting all those Smiths in that hallway, Before the Smiths attack Morpheus they say, 'if you can't beat us, join us', every time he creates another SMith, there is one more to help rid the matrix of the code needed to be brought back to the source.

This theory would also mean that Agent Smith is also a human, (not just Bane) and that there is a matrix in a matrix. I still dont have it all figured out, but let me know what you think!!!!

MIAM is a possible outcome. It would explain alot of events in M2. Personally, I kinda hope I'm wrong about the Matrix in a Matrix thing, I really want to be surprised in November.

One thing though, I have to give you credit. I thought that my idea of Persephone being the mother of the matrix and living a double life and the Oracle was the most radical theory on the forum. If Smith is human, it would be a twist! You've got good points.

i definitely hope that its not a matrix in a matrix either, but it looks like its going that way.

I don't believe the MIAM theory... It just seems to "oh so it is... wait, no its not... oh yes it is!" I dont know just seems too late into the tiology to just dump this on us in Revolutions. M3 is all-out war between the humans and machines, and Neos ability to stop the machines at the end of M2 was because of Smiths code that was imprinted into him [when Smith tried cloning Neo] So Neo can control the machines bcause Smith was a program.

Of course, I could be wrong. Just my opinion.

arghhhhhhh.... He isn't an Agent anymore:D :D :D

Originally posted by smith_fan
arghhhhhhh.... He isn't an Agent anymore:D :D :D

I didn't say he was? I know he's no longer an Agent. He's "unglugged"
He's was deleted and replaced by an upgrade. So I think.

unplugged* ;)

man, i just thought about mytheory a little more, that would suck if agent smith were human!!!! major bummer, i think

actually that would be a pretty neat plot twist :) I like plot twists, the unexpected. :D

Here is my thought, yes in M1 he was programmed to eliminate Neo, but the opposite of that happened, he was the one that got eliminated.
In the Matrix Agent Smith was the strongest thing in there, until Neo came along. Agent Smith likes to be superior, thats why he is spreading himself all over the place. The only thing that is stand in his way is Neo, nothing else.
Remember he told Neo, 'I am still not free'. So why u think once he is in Zion he still wants to kill Neo, because Neo is still stronger, n becoming more powerful........N now both of them r in a coma, the 2 strongest ones........
Why does Agent Smith want to kill Neo, maybe Neo is the way out to the real world.....

Everybody, please do not jump down my throat, it is just a thought, I maybe wrong n will be the first one to say that once I get proven wrong...

He reflects some human like qualities. But I don't think he's a human.
In M1, when he has Morpheus, he says he'd like to share a revelation on his time in the matrix and he tried to classify our species and that humans weren't even mammals, because the only way humans can survive is by eating up resources and moving on to another area. And then says there is an organism that resembles the human and compares him to a virus. Then he goes on to say how much he hates humans and their stink and how badly he needs to get out. That dialouge, to me, reflects how much a machine or a program would hate humans.

Smith knows how to get out and Neo's the key, because Neo took away his purpose. He knew what he was supposed to do but he was compelled to disobey. And Smith was coming back to take what's rightfully his.

It's ironic how he has become what he hates, a virus.

All I can say is the Smith vs Neo fight in M3 is probably going to be THE most anticipated fight scene since Yoda's fight scene in SW 2.

Originally posted by eblah2
He reflects some human like qualities. But I don't think he's a human.
In M1, when he has Morpheus, he says he'd like to share a revelation on his time in the matrix and he tried to classify our species and that humans weren't even mammals, because the only way humans can survive is by eating up resources and moving on to another area. And then says there is an organism that resembles the human and compares him to a virus. Then he goes on to say how much he hates humans and their stink and how badly he needs to get out. That dialouge, to me, reflects how much a machine or a program would hate humans.

Smith knows how to get out and Neo's the key, because Neo took away his purpose. He knew what he was supposed to do but he was compelled to disobey. And Smith was coming back to take what's rightfully his.

It's ironic how he has become what he hates, a virus.

All I can say is the Smith vs Neo fight in M3 is probably going to be THE most anticipated fight scene since Yoda's fight scene in SW 2.

Right. I don't think humans combust the way Smith does at the end of M1....

i like the way all of you are thinking, but it still just doesnt make sense, it just seems to me that smith knows a lot more of whats goin on than anyone else in the movie, and why is he compelled to stay and kill neo, noone has still really' explained that......they've said why, but it doesnt make sense. I still can't get over the trailer from m3 where morpheus says "He fights for Us", its gotta mean somethin about smith.

first of all i think smith has completely lost his mind (blown his logic circuit? lol) and is simply motivated to destroy neo because neo did something that smith considered impossible in M1. hes driven by his need to finish the job he was charged with in M1 that neo terminated in explosive fashion at the end. his need for mission completion overrides his death because he cant accept deletion while neo is alive.

also with all the plot twists and mindgames the wachowskis have played on us thus far, wouldnt you think they would have had control over the dialogue and scenes portrayed together in the trailer? i think this bit of mindplay was done on purpose, with the smith scene and the morpheus line probably having nothing to do with each other in "Revolutions"

Originally posted by UnbrokenMirror
first of all i think smith has completely lost his mind (blown his logic circuit? lol) and is simply motivated to destroy neo because neo did something that smith considered impossible in M1. hes driven by his need to finish the job he was charged with in M1 that neo terminated in explosive fashion at the end. his need for mission completion overrides his death because he cant accept deletion while neo is alive.

also with all the plot twists and mindgames the wachowskis have played on us thus far, wouldnt you think they would have had control over the dialogue and scenes portrayed together in the trailer? i think this bit of mindplay was done on purpose, with the smith scene and the morpheus line probably having nothing to do with each other in "Revolutions"

I agree wit ya man. He just wants revenge. "wer'e here to take what you tryed to take from us: purpose." Also I agree on the trailer thing. tons of trailers do that thing of putting to unrelated scenes together.

Smith and the twins are the two greatest matrix characters yet, that being said, I can see both sides on this one. Smith could be human, he does show a couple huma characteristics, however, why would he have said all of those things to morpheus after he was captured? I guess we will all find out in november...

Here goes...

I do believe in MIAM.

Neo, morpheus, and the one guy that smith took over, are the only people that have been copied by smith in the matrix that have been unplugged.

Neo and morpheus did not get fully copied. The other guy did.

Smith is able to get into zion via that guy he took over.

It is just code on code. It goes back to the virus thing... what do you get when you sleep around! In M1 neo modified smith's code. he even tells you this. same goes with neo and morpheus when smtih tries to take over them. Now neo can have powers in the real word. If it was truly zion and he was truly unplugged then he could not have powers in zion.

Code on code...

i think that there are some thing about smith that could make anybody think that he is human, but i don't think so. i'd have to say that smith is different, that's all, he's unique. the only one of his kind. not human, yet no longer a simple program like an agent. Neo and smith have a connection, and each of them has a little bit of the other inside themselves.

Please stop posting so many replies that are the same... fit it into one post and stop the spam. thanks.

sorry, my computer must've done something wierd. i only meant to send it once.

Originally posted by Unplugged Agent
sorry, my computer must've done something wierd. i only meant to send it once.

Oh okay. It's cool.

I was just about to IM you and ask you what had happened.


Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

I think that Neo's a program. Well, when Smith copied over Bane, Bane's physical form remained the same. What if, when Neo "killed" Smith at the end of the first movie, the same thing happened? Not entirely, because Neo a) isn't aware of what he can do and b) isn't the same type of program as Smith.

Lol i don't know...just thinking of what could happen...

Neo and Smith are definately linked. Smith became linked to Neo in M1 when Neo takes over Smith's matrix Body. Neo became linked to Smith when Smith tried to Clone Neo. At the end of Reloaded Neo becomes commatose after killing the sentinals without being plugged into the matrix, and we find out that Bane/Smith is commatose after the EMP, this suggests to me that Neo and Smith/Bane have both discovered a higer level of awearness. I think we wil find that our to opposites have attracted themselfs into an alternate matrix for a final conflict. Now is this alternate matrix a controling matrix, or is it the unwritten future.

I think Smith/Bane lapsed into a coma after the EMP because in essence Bane's conscious mind is now a computer program (maybe thinking like a program fires enough electrical impulses through the brain as to render the person unconscious?). as for Neo, I think he entered the matrix wirelessly when he stopped the sentinels and in doing so his physical body passed out into a coma... anyway, that my theory

At this time there is no way to know how smith/Bane went into a coma. A more likely explenation than that "bane head is a computer program and shut down due to an EMP blast" is that smith/bane tried to stop some sentnials like how neo did, tha would explain why the sentnials didn't finish the job and kill him. UnbrokenMirror, not to be mean or anything, but next time when righting a post, don't use the color purple cause it is a little hard to read.