At the end of Matrix 1, Neo is shot and killed inside the Matrix. But becaus he is the ONE and realizes that what goes on the Matrix is not true ( please refer to my posts on the thread "you suffer pain in the matrix...").
So should he fear or fight back any agent, virus or even a car that might run him over on the next movies?
According to the first one. He now has control over it all. And if he dies he has the ability not to die in the real world and ressucitate inside the matrix.
Any ideas? Do the virus coming up on Matrix 2 have anything to do with it ?
Carlos Well my friend I belive thats somethin imposible, because he is the one, itīs just like if you think play a computer game or another type of game, you coud die in the game but you coud be unded one and all the times you want that, thas what I belive, itīs just take a part of you to the game, but not all your life, and for that , just for that, you are unded... I belive that he cannot die in or out or whilst hes in the matrix because he is the matrix.
Thats why the machines make the virus I think his biggest weakness is his body in the real world that is wired and vulnerable while he is in the matrix.
-WC- Well, maybe he does have to worry, because if they are able to subdue him in the Matrix, they may be able to due something to his body that could kill his outside body. Sort of how the pill disrupts input output so that they could find his body. He's not connected thru the regular port, so they have no clue where he is, The hovercraft moves ao they cant pinpoint his location simply by seeing he's on a mobile hovercraft.
They would have to know where the hovercraft is in order to make that an actual location where someone get's into the matrix. No matter how smart the computers are, they will never know what the humans think before they think it. Computers don't have intuition, conciousness or not. according to the movie, I think he will fear HIMSELF. just watch reloaded and see, I don't know either, I'm just suggesting What do you mean that he will fear himself?? Originally posted by Archilus
He's not connected thru the regular port, so they have no clue where he is, The hovercraft moves ao they cant pinpoint his location simply by seeing he's on a mobile hovercraft.
First of Archilus, reduce the footprint of your sig pic and make the pic somehow relevant to this board's topic.
As for them not knowing where they are connected while in the hovercraft, I think you are very wrong. Remember when Smith saying 'Run a trace', then shortly afterwards the agent#2 tells Smith that the 'trace was complete, order the strike'.
Then the Sentinels are detected by Morph, coming in fast, 6, maybe 7 minutes away.
I don't know the full theory behind the hardlines, but they are tracable and cuttable (a la when Mouse died).
-WC- yes yes, and hell yes, neo has to fear the twins, whos basic purpose is to trap him sorta in the matrix, and although he is all powerful it is mostly impossible to get around fealings int the matrix.... dun dun duuuuun I agree with WildCard; Just because Neo is not connected to the Matrix through the AIs system, the point is that he IS connected. He has a plug in his head, doesn't he? What I was saying was that the agents might have been able to trace Neo through the hardline that he got into the Matrix with. I think Neo should be scared in the Matrix...just because he's the One, doesn't mean he can't make mistakes, be uncautious, and it doesn';t mean that he can completely change anything he wishes...cause if he could, then would there *really* be a point to Reloaded? He wouldn't have to go through all the crap he goes through, he could just save the people he could save and say: "End program"....so I think that there doesn't have to be somebody stronger than Neo for him to be afraid of, just that he has to be carefull...he's not completely invincable afterall...
That's just my opinion...it's not necessarily right :confused: but that's the impression I got from the movie...:) some points don't add up, and that makes me mad!:mad: Do I make you mad or does the Movie? If I do, I'm sorry...I tend to not make sense sometimes with my explanations... Originally posted by WildCard
First of Archilus, reduce the footprint of your sig pic and make the pic somehow relevant to this board's topic.
As for them not knowing where they are connected while in the hovercraft, I think you are very wrong. Remember when Smith saying 'Run a trace', then shortly afterwards the agent#2 tells Smith that the 'trace was complete, order the strike'.
Then the Sentinels are detected by Morph, coming in fast, 6, maybe 7 minutes away.
I don't know the full theory behind the hardlines, but they are tracable and cuttable (a la when Mouse died).
-WC-
Dude, Only traceable when someone is connected. Anyway I was saying that he can connect in other places too. The only way to know is to put a tracking mech on NEO himself.
And as my sig? I think god would have to die before the matrix would take place. If you believe in god in the first place. Also the man in my sig is what I would be in the matrix. My own 3d design, Too bad it's only the head. But I'm makign a new sig now. Im with wildcard on that one i think that his only weakness is when he is in the matrix and cannot protect himself when there. i mean since he is the one he can control everything in the matrix so really it wouldnt make sence for him to be scared of anything in the matrix. but then you can never be to careful.....
Neo You know, I just thought of another weakness of his.
His love for Trinity, if the love scene of them culminates into love that is...
-WC- WildCard, I may just be being stupid here, but I really don't undersand what you are getting at! How is his love for Trinity a danger? I mean that if he will destroy the matrix, he will maybe also destroy himself Not if he destroys it from the outside...... I think as far as agents and other programs inside the matrix, Neo has nothing to worry about. I think the key is that Neo is invinsible, but Trinity is not. If Trinity is killed, Neo may become more vulnerable. Just a reminder, when you make statements in the forums, try explain it a bit.
What do you mean by he will become more vulnerable?? I, myself dont see how her death will decrease his abilities at all. I think that the only thing that he can really fear in the matrix 2 and 3 is the factor that the agents might find a way to build something bigger and better!! Well, if he can do practically anything he wants in the world, what could they build better than that?? The only thing they could do to him was kill him in the Matrix which seems impossible, or to find a way to locate where he body is on the Outside, and then kill his outside body. What I meant was not that it will weaken his abilities when he is in the matrix, but that it will affect him mentally. If he is mournful when he is outside the matrix, he might lack the courage and will to make important decisions later on. Ok, I can see that. But I think it would have to be her death and then other things as well. However, I think that he is probably strong enough not to let it affect him too much when he is in the Matrix. In fact, the anger might help him fight with renewed hatred for the whole system. Being the ONE doesn't mean that you're invincible. Besides, the machines are always improving the Matrix, as they did with the Agents which now can copy themselves. And these improvements can be quite impressive as seen on the Matrix Revolutions teaser where there's a pretty tied fight between Neo and agent Smith.
So even with all his power, Neo should be at least a little bit careful inside the Matrix. I think: be the one it's just be a people who think's that anything is impossible, everything it's just like you think or belive that coud be, it is the world that you create for your mind, it's the wolrd that you belive's coud be wathever you want that, where you can make everything you want, move anything whatever you want and create or destroy all the thing's you want...that's what the one it means to me, because i repite all it's on your mind... OK, well maybe Im just going crazy, but that last post made NO SENSE to me. Can you maybe rewrite it or something. I just really cant understand what you are trying to get at or even say. Well, I'm jus traying to tell you than be the one itīs just be the manipulator of your mind and your world, you can make anithing you want in every place or any place, you are your own builder of everything, thatīs what I belive it coud be the one And forget me because I'm bad to write the english oh, I kinda understand now, where are you from? México, and I just don't remember so much the english language because I don't use this language a long time ago Dont worry about you'r english :) i mean sure try and post english messages lol but here as long as you'r a rock solid matrix fan ( or pill :P ) Your Welcome! :D well thank you, I really like that Yeah and if you need to say complicated messages just do them in Spanish and I'm sure someone out of the 1000's of members will be able to translate for you!
Yo hablo paco espanol pero otros miembros hablan mucho espanaol. :D What can I say im a friendly guy ? :D Ok gracias, pero igual y algunos no me entienden, espero que haya quien traduzca mis mensajes post Originally posted by zetamtrx
Ok gracias, pero igual y algunos no me entienden, espero que haya quien traduzca mis mensajes post
Yeah guys, im not to great with the Spanish, but I think it comes down to this:
Ok, thanks, but I hope that someone can translate my posts. that's right what I try to tell good, that's a good spanish
That's what I'm talking about Oh really, cool, well don't give me too much credit, I used my Spanish Electronic Dictionary more times than my Spanish teacher would have like, lol.:D hehehe, that's cool I like the idea Are you living in America or in Mexico right now? He Should have to fear anything at all. Sometimes things may be challenging but it was proved in the firs movie he is pretty much invinciable. Well now on this moment I'm living in México I think he should be scared, I don't really know why, but I have a feeling that he will die at the end of the third one. Hello everyone,
I had no idea the topic would generate so many replies...
I believe we got a few different theories here so letīs try and get things organized.
I believe that saying that Neo has to fear something or that would be no point in Matrix 2 and 3 is not much of a theory.
The theory tha Neo would fear himself sounded a little confusing.
Some people wrote about the viruses trying to trap him inside the matrix. I believe thatīs a good one. But trapping him inside doesnīt solve the problem as he "maybe" has nothing to fear inside.
Another theory about him being trapped inside is that he could not destroy the matrix from the inside as he would kill himself as well. I kindda agree with that . Even though he is the one and has all the abilities I donīt think he could survive this. But then, if he did destroy it from the inside and died doing this, it would be just another, out of lots in the movie, analogy to Jesus. Neo would pay with his life to free mankind form its mistake (building AI).
Destroying the Matrix from the outside doensīt seem possible through hacking. The operator tells us nthat the Matrix has way too much info to be processed, so we can assume that no normal person would be ablae to hack into a system that not even a 23rd century computer can process. As Neo is a regular person outside the matrix Iīll discard that possibility.
So the only way to destroy it from outside would be destroying the server which might result in the death of all mankind trapped inside if they are not freed first. If Neo would die destroying it from the inside ... why not the ordinary ones? That sounds like a good thread topic : How to destroy The Matrix without extinguishing mankind?
About Neo losing his loved trinity: itīs a possibility.But as weīve got no way to know if this is going to happen and what could his reaction be, we ought to consider it speculation.
another theory is about him making mistakes. It sounds ok, but, from what we saw in the first movie, even if he made a mistake that would cause him to die, he has the ability to come back. The only mistake that I see that could do him real harm is if , somehow, he lost his abilities, like an amnesia or something that would get him stop believing heīs the one. That might be it.
I think i just came up with a Theory myself:
NEO SHOULD FEAR DOUBT AND DISBELIEF.
Anything that would cause him to stop knowing that he is the one and that the matrix isnīt real. It could be anything: a drug(pill), a situation, a threat, a memory or even the lost of trinity inside the matrix( if heīs the one he should be able to save her).
Thatīs my contribuition to the topic.
Carlos I like that theory, thats a really good one!!! I wish I thought of that, but now I am off to bed and I just turned 18!!! Now I get to go buy my own cigarettes!! In a "making of" I saw a fightscene moviefragment where Neo states: "Updates!", when some moves are foreseen by his rivals.
That is I guess his greatest fear: That although he can read, bend and change the code and rules of the Matrix, that the Matrix is being updated is a way he yet has to adopt to.
Any Comment on this?
Chrz,
Quinten Yeah, you could speculate that, but of course, remember, that the matrix is not changing fast enough for him to be outdated. The very fact that he can update too is enough for me.
As for what to fear, The only thing to fear is fear itself! If he is not afraid of any of those things, then he will never doubt. All of those mindframes that would cause him to be errored all come from fear, fear he wont be good enough, fear he wont be fast enough, fear he will lose trinity. As long as he is not afraid, I think that his mind is safe. Of course, as for the virus that they are supposedly going to try put in him, I think that that has potential for the agents.
PS. I SEE RELOADED TOMORROW! Hmm.. I'm little new..so please don't kill me if I make a fool out of myself.. okay?
Hey, we're talkin' about Neo here.. and he's bad to the bone. So no, I don't think he has anything to fear at all.
Now I haven't seen the Matrix 2 yet ( comes out here on the 15th) so Icould be wrong, but if he can come back to life after being shot down by Agent Smith, then what's gonna him?
Nada..
Isis
Ankh is life, all that deny it don't really live...live to the fullest outside of Matrix ;) Well, we have to remember a few basic things from Matrix I.
1) He was killed in the matrix and his "real" body died. This shows he does not have absolute protection just by virtue of being The One.
2) If Morph is to be believed then even being The One does not allow Neo to break EVERY rule of the matrix. The Matrix is clearly "hardcoded" with some rules that even Neo won't be able to break. Kinda like getting all the cheat codes of Ghost Recon does not allow you to shoot a bullet that kills every enemy on the whole level. It does however let you kick a whole lot of butt.
3) My memory is a little fuzzy on this one but Morph also said that the agents control all the gates and hold all the keys (or something like that). We have yet to see how being The One changes the dynamic. It may mean he can take on agents but as we saw from the coming attractions it does not mean that he can BEAT them (Agent Smith's return). Winning may still be far from assured in a head to head battle.
4) Lastly the simple logistics of waking up so many people who are in the matrix is a hell of a lot of work. Even IF Neo had absolute power that would still be an issue.
Overall I think there are a lot of ways for M2 and M3 to go. The religious overtones of M1 were pretty hard to miss and if that carries over then I suspect we will see a Neo who is brought quite low and hurt quite badly before rising from the ashes to save humanity. So yes, I expect him to be vulnerable and hurt quite a bit both emotionally and physically (maybe spiritually but that side was hardly developed in M1). As a side note I'd LOVE to har a little "side" banter about the philosophy of all this. These guys live in a philosophical treasure trove and they don't even talk about it. Wellllll, that is not entirely true, there was the "what if oatmeal tastes like chicken" discussion. More like that. who keeps posting that because neo is "the one" he is all powerful and can destroy the matrix? i think its messing up the flow of the conversations with all the misinformation. someone should lay down a clear definition of "the one" based on what we know from m1 and for some of us m2.
based on m1 and m2 i think being 'the one' is an anomaly in the matrix that involves the person who is the one being able to clearly see through the matrix enough to manipulate it. this is not limited to breaking or bending the rules or interperating peoples actions through code.
i havent seen anything yet that would give me the impression that neo can destroy the matrix or be invincible when inside the matrix. Yeah, you right, just because Neo has better abilities than the other humans doesnt make him invincible! Right. Thje could send a bigger better non elector pulse dativated centanal after the ship. THen they are kinda not gonna work!!! They only have the "powers" through the matrix, not in the real world. I think that in some point he will doubt his powers, casung his to lose them temporarily. because if you dont beleive in yourself, you cant succeed.. its as easy as that Why would he doubt them? He has been using them so what would make him that think that he never had any?? I think one of the things that might get him to doubt himself is if trinity got hurt or even morpheus Originally posted by switchfreeze_fv
I think one of the things that might get him to doubt himself is if trinity got hurt or even morpheus
I will very much agree with my sister on this one. Sisters? Thats cool.
Anyway, if you've seen the second movie, you see that Neo goes even FASTER when Trinity is falling. So maybe if they got hurt, it might affect him by making him even more vicious in his fighting the agents. Of course, if she actually died, depression might be a problem, but I doubt the brothers would do that. As far as building something bigger/better. Remember that the matrix is a program with laws so the agents, etc. can only be so fast etc. But remember also that the machines control the basic code and so can modify it if they choose. So in some way they could modify the basic laws of the matrix to make Neo vulnerable or the agents "bigger, better, etc." As for the specifics it would be tough to say and even then it is possible that Neo would be unaffected. But just a thought Yes, and to support your theory, when Neo is fighting the new upgrades, one of them catches one of his punches, and he says "hmm upgrades". So the machines DID make better agents. There is one and only one thing Mr. Anderson will fear... and that is Smith:) WHY? Ill give u ten good reasons....
#1. Smith is always up 2 no good
#2. He has a huge forehead
#3. His hair is flawlessly parted to the side
#4. His shades
#5. His mic skills
#6. His chicklet teeth
#7. He snaggs Mr. Anderson in only clutch situations.
#8. He found out that Neo helps his landlady with his garbage
#9. He doesnt die, he multiply's
#10. He snagged the keymakers musty arse!
and finally the big #11.......he is the only one that calls him Mr.Anderson. Only bad guy veterans would call Neo "Mr. Anderson" when he is all powerful, and still get away with it.
If these reasons are "GOOD" for you, then u are not a "BAD" guy fan:) and if Agent Smith ever gets his doctorate, with all those robots and computers around, you damn well better keep him away from Will Robinson!
KL LOL, NEOsporin, I think you might be on to something!! Of course, though your post was funny as hell, you did forget an important thing. In Matrix Reloaded, he kinda starts doing that thing to Neo what he does to other people to make him multiply. If he could hold Neo down long enough to finish that, it might be a serious problem. Matrix is a system, a computer dreamWorld program. Neo is just a virus of that system (Matrix). Now, is Neo invicible? For every virus there excits an antivirus that can destroy the virus or protect the system (the Matrix) from it. Always remember that the virus will not be the same forever. The virus, Neo, will change, mutate, becom stronger and faster. In this case: the Matrix is already infected by a virus (Neo). There are only two wasy for the machins to win.
1) Destroy Zion and then Kill Neo.
2) Build another system, a Matrix, where the virus (Neo) will not have access. Um, what does destroying Zion have to do with Neo? Ok. With the whole agent smith thing yeah I agree.. number two...Why and how did agent smith get to zions inside with that one crew member of that ship? Originally posted by Nikomoto
yes yes, and hell yes, neo has to fear the twins, whos basic purpose is to trap him sorta in the matrix, and although he is all powerful it is mostly impossible to get around fealings int the matrix.... dun dun duuuuun
The twins r not there 2 destroy Neo for gods sake! They r hidding from the agents so they dont get deleted and in the meantime they r doing that french dudies dirty work. The only reason they r attacking Neo in the 1st place is 2 get the KeyMaker! Well, for the agent smith thing, he possed that guys body and then went through the phone line as that guy, and then is in Zion as the guy. Zion is the real world, where the body lives. Matrix is the virtual dream world where the mind lives. To kill neo the machines either kill his body in the real world (Zion), or kill his mind in side the virtual world (Matrix). Now, since killing Neo's mind in the matrix is not easy, the machines will have to look for his body in the real world (Zion). Remember from M1, the mind and the body cannot live without each other, the body cannot live without the mind and vice versa. LOL, alfunzio, How stupid do you think I am???
You are the one with the ignorance here. For 1 thing, Neo isnt in Zion, he's in the Nebakineser (sp?). For another, I've seen the first movie so many damn times I don't have to watch it anymore, I can just close my eyes.
:D :D :D In the Matrix, Neo is almost unkilllable because he can just fly away. The only way would to set a trap involving trinity because his love is his weakness. Though killing him in the REAL WORLD would be a lot easier. how about this...
when neo is inside the matrix somebody
who is either jealous or dislike neo could unplug him while he is in the matrix...
also at the second matrix the first agent is unplugged but he is back since i saw the lil preview i think its gr8 but the fight scenes r gr8
anyways maybe neo could fear himself...since he is the one that he could like i don't know rule the matrix becoming a bad guy how about this......
YOU ARE WRONG!
lol, im jk,
what I meant was that you have holes in all your theories:
1) The brothers wouldnt let someone unplug him cause that would just make the movie suck.
2) The agents arent "plugged in" and so i dont know which agent you are talking about.
3) Why would Neo become "bad" and what would he do when he is "bad", live normally just to spite the good guys????? agent smith is the only fear to him and in the 3 movie agent smith is as strong as neo if u whacthed the teaser at end of mive u would know that Yeah, and to add to that, in the teaser you hear the Oracle saying, "If you can't beat him tonight, you may never see tomorrow". Or something like that. Killing him in the real world might not be that easy anymore! no? Are you just spamming? LOL, yeah, I hope he starts to fly in the real world! Then he can really do his superman thing!!! Please do not ever say that again. I feel when link says he is doing his superman thing, it is an insult to Neo. Do not commpare them ever, lol. If Neo is ever killed I almost guarentee it will be in the real world. (I APOLOGISE ABOUT THE CAPITOLS, MY COMPUTER IS BUZZED)
APERANTLY NEO CAN JUMPSTART A HEART AND MANY OTHER THINGS.
BUT IF SOMEONE IN THE MATRIX WRIPS HIS HEART OUT HE WONT BE ABLE TO JUMPSTART IT.
BASICLY ANY KIND OF EMPUTATION CANNOT BE FIXED IN THE MATRIX. Well its not like he has a cape thats red and blue tights... But yeah i can see what ur saying. Cuz well that would just b so ***... And the Matrix's signature color is black neway! I ment no affence but just a bit of funniness to the thread
Sorry TrinityFlame, just a question, what is your avatar? Sorry, i just couldnt tell and it was bugging me.
Question for The 7th Neo, what do you mean the matrix color is black anyway?? It is a aldy in the winter woods with a fire dragon flying around OH, ok, i see it now, its very nice!! :D Yes, he was almost taken over by Smith's virus. If he was somehow sedated, or even just immobilized or incapacited, they could comepletely destroy his body in some manner or another, i.e. burning. Anytime, and everytime I see one of your posts, I just can't help but turn around and check....just in case....lol. Yeah I know what you mean.... its like someone is watchin ya Originally posted by Helix
TrinityFlame, just a question, what is your avatar? Sorry, i just couldnt tell and it was bugging me.
Question for The 7th Neo, what do you mean the matrix color is black anyway??
Well my good man, i meant that just about every1 in teh Matrix wears black. Since alot of ppl wear a certain color clothes they call it their "signature color" Ya im making a new post of the colors of matrix if yall wanna comment there... Post the Link to your thread.... ya if you will post a link i will be thankful lol, for someone with a name like yours, its kinda funny that your avatar is of agent smith being destroyed We were asking Maddog to make a post in this thread to his thread in which he is doing something about the Matrix colors.....
:D . You must remember that Neo has learned all these things about himself, the Matrix and others in stages. Each time he believed he could not do something.
Each time he had a reason to try to believe the one thing that he was being challenged on. Each time he learns what he needs to know to go on. This is the same as what the oracle told Neo. You've got the gift, but you're waiting for something.
He is always waiting for something. He may have all the powers of the proverbial One, but he only has the background to have used and become familiar with a few of those powers. To that end, he is in danger from many things that still exist in the Matrix.
If a situation were to occur where he could not have time to think himself back alive he would be in real trouble. Like being disconnected within the Nebachanzer while still inside the Matrix. This could possibly kill him.
But possibly not, as was apparently shown at the end of Reloaded. Neo may be learning how to use his powers outside of the Matrix.
Food for thought.
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