'real world' reflecting the matrix

i've asked this question once before but didn't get a satisfactory reply, so here goes again.

There are two instances that I can think of where things in the real world have ironically taken abnormal paths because of what must happen in the matrix. Before I talk about them, please reply to both.

1) when cypher is on neo in m1. he tells trinity that, "there would have to be some sort of !#$%in myracle or something if he's the one. how can he be the one if he's dead?" I'm sure you all remember this line. my question is, why would a myrical have to occur(and more importantly why [b]did[/b} it occur?) because he's the one. how can what needs to happen in the matrix affect what happens in the real world.... i.e. neo needs to make a choice in m1. he has to be alive to do it so he could not be killed in m1. do you see what I'm getting at? events in the real world should work independantly of what happens in the matrix.

2) when the sentinals are attacking the hovercraft and using the bomb for the first time. why is it the bridge collapses thus ensuring that they can not move out of danger? the chain of events that led to the bridge collapse seems highly improbable. once again, neo's dream must come to pass so that he has a choice on whether to save humanit of trinity. in order for that choice to come about she has to enter the matrix and the only way that she'll enter is if the crew from that ship is dead. again, real life shadowing that of the matrix.

your replies are most definately anticipated. please reply to both. you may have a solution to one that does not apply to the other.

at the end of reloaded we see Neo stop the sentinels in the real world, and so are shown that his abilities seem to apply to the real world in some way, despite the fact we are not shown exactly what the link between Neo and the real world is.

what you're saying doesn't really give a satisfactory answer to both. isn't it kind've stretching the limits to say that his subconscious mind is roaming earth making sure everything works out to his liking?

That's true, but there is some link between the real world and the Matrix. What I found most confusing about Reloaded was how Agent Smith was able to replicate himself into Bane and then enter the real world. Surely if Smith is just a program how is his program transferable to a human mind unless there is some yet to be revealed link between the Matrix and the "real world"

i think that what you're hinting at is a matrix within a matrix. while i'm a believer in this, and could possibly be one solution(there are programs the govern everything. at one time, there was even a program written for those birds...) but I'm mainly asking this question to those who do not believe in the M in a M.

I do think it would be possible for smith to go in bane. the brain, from what I understand, stores things through electrical pulses. the computers who are much more intelligent and who have had many years to study the human brain could know how to do this. while this is a cheap quick answer, I believe it could be explained this way by the brothers and be believable. anyway, i'm sure you'll repost. i'll respond when i get the chance.

Originally posted by neoANAGRAM4one
i think that what you're hinting at is a matrix within a matrix. while i'm a believer in this, and could possibly be one solution(there are programs the govern everything. at one time, there was even a program written for those birds...) but I'm mainly asking this question to those who do not believe in the M in a M.

I do think it would be possible for smith to go in bane. the brain, from what I understand, stores things through electrical pulses. the computers who are much more intelligent and who have had many years to study the human brain could know how to do this. while this is a cheap quick answer, I believe it could be explained this way by the brothers and be believable. anyway, i'm sure you'll repost. i'll respond when i get the chance.

i am almost sure about a matrix in a matrix

some things i found in the movie sugest that
(the oracle knowing that neo cant sleep and what he is dreaming, and bane being smith, and neo using his powers in "the realworld")

also this is a nice way to control a inperfect system.
if 1% of the population rejects the program and gets out, them let them get out into a other program and the same 99% rule aplies!!

so probably even the programs inside the matrix dont know that "the realworld"is also a matrix

now if thats true than we dont know the why anymore!
everything we know of why people are being kept inside the matrix is based on evidence in "the realworld"
and that might all be a simulation.
so there might be a totaly diferent reson for keeping people in the matrix!

chew on that one

once again, this really isn't for those who believe in the imbedded matrix. mainly for those who don't. I really don't want to believe in the imbedded theory, but I see no reason as of yet not to.

the only thing that i can not explain away is neo's newfound abilities.

Originally posted by neoANAGRAM4one
once again, this really isn't for those who believe in the imbedded matrix. mainly for those who don't. I really don't want to believe in the imbedded theory, but I see no reason as of yet not to.

the only thing that i can not explain away is neo's newfound abilities.

here are some more
1) why does the oracle know that neo isn't sleeping and what he is dreaming.

2) if you play "enter the matrix" you discover that there is a rabithole in "the realworld"

3) why does the architect not freak out when neo choses to save trinity and not the matrix (this should be the worst case )

4) if you take 23 people (16 male, 7 female) and go to 250.000 persons (that are in zion) that would take some time, morheus says its somwhere around the year 2199 but if you look at the time needed to rebild zion 6 times that cant be true

5) you told us yourself there are times where the structure of "the real world" changes the events as they happen (the bridge falling, sipher missing tank at point blank range!!)

6) i can go on but i wont

i love for you to disprove me but please use arguments to do so and not (like the last person that said that it could not be true) "i dont like that awnser"

thank you

1) 250,000 people. the only way to explain this is to say that either morphius is mistaken (somewhere around 2199) about the time since there is no one who survives the previous zions to infrom them differently, or that they have freed a lot of people in over the 100 years since they'd been there. if you think about it, if you freem 100's a year over a 100 to 150 years those people mating and thier children mating could produce quite a few people.

2) the oracle knows that he isn't sleeping because she also knows that the time for the one is near. seems only logical that the closer it get's time to the choice, the more at unrest his mind becomes. this unrest probably comes from what he senses from the minds around him when he plugs into the matrix.

3) i've played the game, and don't remember the rabbit hole part. you'll have to go into depth with that one.

4) if you'll read my last post, you'll see that I believe in the m in m theory. I'm hesitant because the only thing I feel like I can't explain away is his abilities over the sentinals in the end and the seeming coincidences that occur in the 'real' world.

5) the architect doesn't freak out because for one - he's a program. secondly, being a computer, it's illogical for him to freak out because there's nothing he can do about his choice. the choice to save the matrix has to be freely made. he's probably hoping to give neo a second chance later.

6)if you use a number, you make a point. don't say, "I could go on, but i won't" lol


now, if you don't agree with me 100%(which i want you to tell me what you don't agree with), I think that you'll find that it will at least raise a little bit of doubt on most of those. now, once again I believe, even if reluctantly, in the imbedded matrix. I will continue to do so until someone shows me how #4 could occur.

ok

6) in M2 the sentinals destroy a ship that kills of one team that had to take out the power in the matrix.
this forces trinity into the matrix.
this forces neo to make a choice!!

how can you predict that in the matrix if the event starting it happens in the realworld!

onlything i can think of is "the real world"is not real!

good luck with this one

ok, now listen here hardhead. i would say other things in place of that but don't want to get deleted.

READ MY ABOVE POSTS!!!

i said that the only reason that I DO believe in the imbedded matrix (in case you didn't know, that means the real world is simply another program) is because I CAN'T explain this phenomenon.

now listen man, fully read someone's post without automatically assuming that they think differently from you. I said i can dissprove everything you said to my satisfaction(if it wasn't to yours, then i wanted for you to discuss it with me) but could not that last. please please please read the post. I was so frustrated that you were being so idiotic! lol

if the real world is not real then the sentinals must be programs?
correct?

in a way.

they would be diversions so that the rebels have something to fight. if i were in thier shoes i'd be thinking - i escaped from the matrix, the force i escaped from is trying to kill me from escaping. an opposing force must mean that I'm free from it and it's trying to eliminate a threat.

I think the idea the the computers are trying to eliminate a threat is the key to hiding the truth about the nature of the real world.

now, once again, if you can explain how certain issues stated above occur, I'll gladly switch sides. until then, I'm a lost cause lol.

so neoANAGRAM4one The only opinion and discusion you want to have is on your terms

thats cool (stalin did that)

but for a real discussion to take place you need to responde to someelse there points to so

1) yes i did read your post and understand that you belive (like me) that there is a second matrix
2) you asked for my #6 point, and for more proof
3) you are a anoing person if you think youcan control a discusion on a public board
4) you acuse me of asuming i know what you think (withs i dont) and by doing so you do what you acused me off :-)
5) if you do that again i am gonna ignore you and talk some more with the normal people in here

greetz

p.s. i take offence on you calling me a idiot and i will report that
cya

burn burn burn damn. I was wrong and I'm sorry. now that that is over with

i answered your other points. but I simply asked for someone who did not believe in the imbedded matrix to come up with an explanation. so, since i did address your other points, the comment alligning me to stalin is unfounded lol.

1) i'm sorry once again. you read my post. i was reading tone that wasn't there into what you had replied. i apologize. i thought you were repeating and repeating, but to be fair, you did repeat yourself. i do want more proof, but from someone who believes the real world is just that - the real world. only someone like that can help me with my problem. I don't want to believe in the imbedded matrix theory. but I need some reason not too.

2) thank you for restating your sixth point.

3) was not controlling, simply asking for someone else's input who was not similar to ours.

4) you're right, i am guilty of what i accused you of. it happened because i read tone into what you wrote, but none-the-less, i am guilty. once again, i apologize lol.

5) don't care if you do ignore me since I've already heard what you had to say. however, new information is always welcomed.

and lastly p.s. don't really care if you took offense to something so stupid. if you saw what was after the word idiotic(not idiot doesn't sound so hard) was something that is used to lighten the situation. since there isn't tone on message boards, that's one way to accomplish it. this is one thing that I'm not apologizing for.


hope this sets things straight.