The prophecy is NOT a lie

At the end of Reloaded Neo tells Morpheus that the prophecy was a lie -- he (Neo) had returned to the Source but the war did not end. Morpheus is shaken.

But consider, war ends with a victory by one of the combatants, after a final battle, it does not end magically. The prophecy WILL BE fulfilled in Revolutions. Zion will win the final battle and the war will be over.

In M3, Neo is going to learn to GROW his power to access the Source directly from his human body. In other words, he'll learn to beat the coma, access more and more critical code, and, in the end, after defeating Smith, he will SWITCH OFF the Machines in software, from the Source. Remember what Neo said to Counselor Hamann at Zion, 'control means the ability to switch something off, to make it stop'.

In this way the war will end and the prophecy fulfilled, proving it was not a lie.

the conversation with hamann went far deeper then just saying i control things by turning them off, he said that control is the abitlty to "smash it to bits" but they would be without power (much like machines).

and i do not believe the machines are like the borg (centrally controlled) i think the would have a main overmind but if that overmind was killed, they would still function just function under the "sub-commander(s)". have one weak link like a "source" does not seem like the thinking of a machine to me.

I have no idea what is going to happening M3, so if i was wrong and you were right, sorry.

Originally posted by Matriculation
the conversation with hamann went far deeper then just saying i control things by turning them off, he said that control is the abitlty to "smash it to bits" but they would be without power (much like machines).

and i do not believe the machines are like the borg (centrally controlled) i think the would have a main overmind but if that overmind was killed, they would still function just function under the "sub-commander(s)". have one weak link like a "source" does not seem like the thinking of a machine to me.

I have no idea what is going to happening M3, so if i was wrong and you were right, sorry. No need to be sorry, we're all speculators here;).

Yes, Hamann said, "smash it to bits," but Neo didn't. I'm only interested in what Neo said as far as the point of this thread goes.

Regarding Machine software, I believe the Source is the equivalent of an operating system. Disrupt the kernel and the system crashes. I believe Neo's new found power will end with him hacking the Source kernel(s) and thereby shutting down everything. Such power to access (hack) the Source wirelessly will prove to be unstoppable.

Thanks for posting.

I think that neo will come out of his coma and stop the centinals him self. He stopped them just like he stops bullets. So maybe he can use his powers that he has in the matrix in the real world. He is learning to use them for real. And he could defeat the centinals. Maybe...

This is the 6th time all of this has happened! the machines would have learned (the hard way) the power of the one and protected the "source". i would just like to know how wireless hacking of the "source" is possible, i just don't get it :(

Originally posted by Matriculation
This is the 6th time all of this has happened! the machines would have learned (the hard way) the power of the one and protected the "source". i would just like to know how wireless hacking of the "source" is possible, i just don't get it :( Learning is what the Machines are trying to do. It's what the iterations are all about, refinement. Zion/Neo is AI's tool. They're trying to learn how to defeat the Anomaly.

Regarding wireless hacking, please see my thread, Stopping the sentinels - Neo goes wireless. It's all explained there.

Originally posted by eANIMIA
I think that neo will come out of his coma and stop the centinals him self. He stopped them just like he stops bullets. So maybe he can use his powers that he has in the matrix in the real world. He is learning to use them for real. And he could defeat the centinals. Maybe... He's already defeated a few of them. The question is, can he defeat 250,000? I'll bet he can;).

well he will have to have a little help.

Originally posted by eANIMIA
well he will have to have a little help. Good point.

In another thread (The boy and the spoon) I explain how that help might materialize. In short, I believe the crude spoon Neo received in Zion was from spoon bender boy from M1. He would be the perfect candidate for Neo to teach his means of accessing the Source wirelessly. I believe that in M3 Neo will teach many others to do what he did at the end of M2, and that together they will shut the whole thing down.

Well, DUH the prophecy is true. But the real question is this: How CAN Neo save Zion? Neo's mission, according to the prophecy, was to meet the Architect and choose the salvation of Zion.

The function of "The One" is now to return to the source allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix. Which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Two choices were presented to Neo.

The door to your right leads to the source and the salvation of Zion.

This means that if Neo fulfilled the prophecy, like the other One's did, it would ultimately save the human race, but to do that, remember that the Architect said that he was to come back to the source. Zion would have to be 'cleared' out and everyone killed there except 23 people so it could be rebuilt, and the Matrix 'reset'.

But still, the salvation of Zion does not win the war. It merely refreshes the Matrix and Zion. So the mission that paralelled the prophecy (that whole big thing getting Neo into the Architects place at the end of the movie) actually was supposed to benefit the machines, as we have seen that is how we are at the 6th iteration of the matrix.

So....meanwhile Neo has chosen the other door which is supposed to mean that the human race will actually end because it doesn't look like he will be returning to the source to reset Zion. This leaves the random option open. Which basically means that Neo can take the whole thing one step further and try to win the whole war against the machines, instead of helping the machines -- this is, if he can figure out how to actually stop sentinels etc.

Maybe I made sense to someone. I hope.

That makes since. But what I dont get is why the architect keeps reseting the matrix. And if the architect is also a program than how did he make the matrix.

wow....

eAnimia, there is a thread in this part of the forum called The Architect's Purpose II that will help you with your questions. Or confuse you. Deeply.

matrix.exe you are making sense to me!

I'm wondering-- has the ultimate destruction of the matrix begun with the end of reloaded, or was the architect lying? Or does it just take a little time for the whole shebang to go down?

Anyone seen it on IMAX yet?

Originally posted by eANIMIA
I think that neo will come out of his coma and stop the centinals him self. He stopped them just like he stops bullets. So maybe he can use his powers that he has in the matrix in the real world. He is learning to use them for real. And he could defeat the centinals. Maybe...

If the "real world" is real?

I too think (know) that the prophecy is not a lie. The oracle tells Neo that the path of the one ends in the source/mainframe.
And this is exactly true, only the other One's made the wrong decision by choosing the right door. This means that the people won't be freed of the Matrix.

The other Neo's chose to save the people thus resetting the Matrix. Why??? Remember what the Architect told Neo: something like they gave the One some sort of "profound attachment" meaning that the One feels responsibility, love for the humans so that he will save them by choosing the right door: back to the source and rebuilding the Matrix.
This profound attachment in Neo is much more specific: his love for Trinity (damn right he is!!) so he chooses the left door to save her. Now human mankind will be destroyed but not right away. There's still time for Neo to save the day ofcourse.

I want to say something about telling lies or whatever you call it. Remember what Morpheus says to Neo in M1 before they go to the oracle?? Try not to think of it in terms of right and wrong. Like the oracle, she is only showing the door and you, as a human being, have to make a choise which door you want to go through.

Originally posted by DarkDerk
I too think (know) that the prophecy is not a lie. The oracle tells Neo that the path of the one ends in the source/mainframe.
And this is exactly true, only the other One's made the wrong decision by choosing the right door. This means that the people won't be freed of the Matrix.

The other Neo's chose to save the people thus resetting the Matrix. Why??? Remember what the Architect told Neo: something like they gave the One some sort of "profound attachment" meaning that the One feels responsibility, love for the humans so that he will save them by choosing the right door: back to the source and rebuilding the Matrix.
This profound attachment in Neo is much more specific: his love for Trinity (damn right he is!!) so he chooses the left door to save her. Now human mankind will be destroyed but not right away. There's still time for Neo to save the day ofcourse. Yup:).

All of this is making more and more sense each time you smart people post.