how do you kill the twins

how do you kill the twins

I dont think that it is possible as they turn into ghosts whenever someone trys to hit them, although Neo might manage by breaking their 'code'.

wouldn't it be cool if you could only kill the twins by giving them a paper cut or somethink like that

or they killed them each other over somethink stupid like a turn on the computer or somethink

Originally posted by vosey
or they killed them each other over somethink stupid like a turn on the computer or somethink

I think your going overboard.

They can also heal themselves...they seem "godlike" but of course all that will be answered in Revolutions. Id love to find a Revolutions trailer with a snippet of the Twins

thanx

I heard somewhere that the Twins are virii (plural of virus)
and maybe the only way to kill them is a program, like norton!

"When there's something strange in your neighbourhood - Who you gonna call? GHOSTBUSTERS!"

Originally posted by liondale
"When there's something strange in your neighbourhood - Who you gonna call? GHOSTBUSTERS!"

That came out of the blue!!

Ever realize that there are probably more ghostbusters than there are ghosts, thats messed up!

When the twins are bound, they're vulnerable.

Morpheus had one pinned in a door, and the other twin had to hold Trinity hostage momentarily to get Morpheus to let him go.

Later Morpheus bound one of them by wrapping the seatbelt around his arm (during the car chase), but during the struggle the twin got free (without going into wraith form).

My conclusion? Bind and slay.

Not to mention, the twins could also easily be killed if they were caught off-guard. for instance, Trinity is WAYYY off in the distance with a sniper rifle, looking through the scope, which is pointed directly at one of the Twins' heads. They can't dodge bullets as far as i know (certainly not ones they can't see coming). BLAM! His head explodes. One of the twins is gone.

Just hit 'em hard and with something extremely lethal while theyre not expecting it, and theyre gone.

after watching the movie enough times, I have come to the conclusion that their ghost state is automatic, not always controlled by them. So the last two options wouldn't work.

Obviously, something coming at a fast velocity like a bullet would set it off, but like the other guy said, you grab em, and they can't go ghosty, then you take em out.

There are times in which the twins turn ghost without anything harmful approaching them. Also, how could he "ghost" automatic ability discern between what is lethal, and what isn't? if it was automatic, how could he turn ghost right as the truck is abut to hit him, and then turn un-ghost the second his body reaches the seat? It has to be controlled by the user for it to work like that.

I forget, how did one of the guys get hit to show the "healing" that the ghost mode gives them?

anyways, just shoot them in the head while theyre physical, and theyre just too dead to turn into a ghost and heal.

Yea they can shape-shift at will, but as I pointed out above, the only time they can't is when they're bound. Grab-click-boom-bye!

Ergh, i wish i could remember the "binding" parts...

The only reason a twin got "pinned" in that door was not because he was stuck, he had to keep the door open so that when they open it it wouldn't be mountain. so therefore i think the twins are either invincable Or are very hard to kill (like VIRII which they are!) so there may be a program to kill them, they may even be exiles!

and in that situation in the car, if he had gone ghost purposely he would have left the car loosing his chance to kill the keymaker, if he got shot at he would have gone ghost and left the car, there is almost no way to kill twins.

Originally posted by Matriculation
The only reason a twin got "pinned" in that door was not because he was stuck, he had to keep the door open so that when they open it it wouldn't be mountain. so therefore i think the twins are either invincable Or are very hard to kill (like VIRII which they are!) so there may be a program to kill them, they may even be exiles!

and in that situation in the car, if he had gone ghost purposely he would have left the car loosing his chance to kill the keymaker, if he got shot at he would have gone ghost and left the car, there is almost no way to kill twins. Not quite accurate Matriculation. The other twin wraithed through the door and held Trinity (saying "step away from the door") until Morpheus let go of the door.

But you do provide a good explanation. I merely pointed out 2 instances where they showed potential vulnerability. I'm not convinced they're indestructible. We shall see :)

well... the reason he held trinity hostage was that the twins don't like being separated (brotherly love). if that door had closed they would be 500 miles awat from each other. since the twins can't fly that would be difficult, and heres another theory "the twins are only strong together!"

thanx guy keep them coming

[QOUTE] they are only strong together [/QUOTE]

c'mon guys, its obvious! they are the gemini twins! I got this conclusoion by a little bit of studying, most of the names, are greek, like greek gods and crap. Morpheous is the god of sleep, hence Morpheuos in the movie wakes ppl up from the matrix! duh! and all the statues are greek, ( in the one fight scene with the stairs and crap). If they are the Gemini twins then they are only destructable when they are away from each other! their powers to go wraith only happen when they know, or better yet, feel eachother

well if i was right that makes me feel so special, all those were wild guesses and so called "educated" guesses.

thx for varifying my story :D

That is a good explanation for everything, but tell me this, what is Neo in greek, i only thought it was the One scrambled...

Originally posted by Dusk
That is a good explanation for everything, but tell me this, what is Neo in greek, i only thought it was the One scrambled... The prefix neo comes from the greek word neos, meaning new.

There are several names with greek origin, but many more are pulled from all sorts of sources. I'm not sure it's fair to say the movies are unilaterally influenced from any one of them.

Well i once thought that "neo" had the meaning of One in some language, and trinity meaning three, in the animatrix there is a guy named duo meaning two. If you have any other number related names plz fill me in

we will see wat happens soon

Don't ask me.

Originally posted by Hoodlumhavoc
Don't ask me.

I wouldn't know.

stop spamming you tart!
just because you have tons of posts doesn't mean you're good!
this isn't a clan forum, you will not advance by having posts!
NOW BE QUIET!

Basically I think that if that car explosion didnt kill the twins then nothing is.

The twins are imune to physical harm, it doesn't matter if the got nuked they would live but they are twins and that brings us to think that they might only be string together (gemini twins).

this has all been mentioned before josh you should read the whole thread.

Maybe if you kill one, the other will die?

No I'd read the thread but i dont agree with the 'gemini twins theory.' What about during the car chase scene when they are seperate? They seemed to be ok then.

Josh.

I dont quite agree with the whole Gemini Twin thing either. The whole being seperated thing just doesnt seem to settle. There has to be a way to kill them other than just seperating. They have to share some sort of connection that must be broken or something like that. but not distance from eachother. good point tho

I've heard that the twins are one program consisting of two physical bodies. There may be no way to actually kill them, but of course they could be deleted somehow...

If the rogue programmes (twins in this case) in the Matrix are just coded entities who's to say even if you bound them and shot them in the head that they would die, they have no 'real world' body and no need for a Matrix body 'brain'

Silver bullets killed the 'werewolf' henchman, maybe because in the Matrix the code for silver also contains code that will eliminate a 'werewolf' type coded entity (virus killer)

(the opeing scene in reloaded shows us how far down the code goes, to coding at an atomic level, (or lower?), zooming out to show how much code goes into building something as simple as a clock. The scene with the Merivengien <sp> shows us how specially coded items can effect other code (cake girl))

It makes sense to me the only way to kill any rogue programmes is with a specifically designed coded object that must enter and interact with their code, by force (bullet) or by choice (ingestion).

Thats a pretty good idea, I would have to agree with you on that one.

Originally posted by EtaPhase
When the twins are bound, they're vulnerable.

Morpheus had one pinned in a door, and the other twin had to hold Trinity hostage momentarily to get Morpheus to let him go.

Later Morpheus bound one of them by wrapping the seatbelt around his arm (during the car chase), but during the struggle the twin got free (without going into wraith form).

My conclusion? Bind and slay.

They need to be bounded between backdoors for the bounding to work; half the code in one part of the matrix, half in the other. It seems kinda hard to do it, as you can imagine.

My bet is on being hacked by Neo. Like agent Smith had. Hopefully not with the same result, though.

Maybe Neo can do a secure delete that keeps them from coming back.

But why do they carry those cheap razors around? I'd carry a big whoppin sword or an Uzi.

good ideas i agree with the one about the code and thanx

Originally posted by Matriculation
Well i once thought that "neo" had the meaning of One in some language, and trinity meaning three, in the animatrix there is a guy named duo meaning two. If you have any other number related names plz fill me in
How about Quad???

Just because the Twins are bound doesn't mead that they can't dematerialize. The door has already been explained. But with the seat belt, the twin couldn't dematerialize because he would have fallen out of the car.

He could have materialized just long enough to get his hand out of the binding, so he wouldnt have had to fall out of the car...

hehe if the twins could make only there arms ghost form then he would of gotten free from the seatbelt. but they can't they need there intire body to become ghost form

Originally posted by Smoke&Mirrors




It makes sense to me the only way to kill any rogue programmes is with a specifically designed coded object that must enter and interact with their code, by force (bullet) or by choice (ingestion).

Then perhaps fire is that specifically designed coded object for the Twins, explaining why they appear to have 'died' when their car exploded.

Originally posted by Neo is The One
Then perhaps fire is that specifically designed coded object for the Twins, explaining why they appear to have 'died' when their car exploded.

yes it's for sure that the explosion destroyed them
programs can't be killed. just only deleted or destroyed

Which......is the exact same thing as being killed.

I say if you want the twins to die.. Use the power of The Architect. Since he created The Matrix, he can also destroy the complete or parts of. Though they did seem pretty much non-dead to me when that truck blew up. And as stated before, that ghosty thing is not automatic. They went ghost on purpose when they went after The Architect. Why go through the floor, they could have just ghosted through Trinity and Morpheus. Slaughtered him then. And that was it.

But why do they carry those cheap razors around? I'd carry a big whoppin sword or an Uzi.


Actually, those "cheap razors" are very efficient weapons. I've seen razors like that from the early 20th/late 19th century, and they were STILL razor sharp. Think of them as being similar to the concept of a razor-sharp butterfly knife;. These "cheap" razors could cut through most anything (particularly vital and exposed areas of the human body, such as the neck or the arm). I should know; I was just barely touching one of those so-called "cheap razors" with just the tip of my finger (stupid, I know, but I was about 11 at the time :P ). Just barely touching that blade, I suddenly got a nice and painfully surprising cut deep into my fingertip, which stayed there for a good bit longer than most normal cuts would. Also, the small size of the razors allowed for quick, swift and deadly offensives, even in an enclosed space such as, say the CAR that Morpheus and one of the Twins duked it out in. Oh yeah, let's not forget; a "big whpopin sword" would be quite difficult to carry around on one's person in public, which is where Exiles would be for a good portion of time. Unlike the easily-concealed "cheap razors," a "big whoppin sword" would immediately catch the attention of the police (and more likely than not, Agents as well).

A "big whoppin sword," while perhaps a bit cooler to wield, is also considerably harder to wield. They can be quite easy to dodge or block with a shield or other melee weapon of some sort. They usually require two hands, which limits versatility in both offensive and defensive options. They're also, as you so eloquently put it, "big whoppin swords," meaning they require a "big whoppin" amount of room to wield effectively. This limits the number of areas you could use a "big whoppin sword" in efficiently. Oh yeah, and one more thing: while they can be quite sharp, a "big whoppin sword" is nowhere near as sharp as a razor.

Now an Uzi, that IS a farily nice SMG.. Not the best SMGs, but they are more widely available than, say, an MP5. However, consider this: the Twins could "ghost" and easily come up to you while you blast away at them with your firearm, then materialize and start swinging at you in precise, deadly clean cuts with those "cheap razors." In short: the Twins really didn't NEED guns, because the only real reason to NEED a gun is to use as defense against someone ELSE who has a gun. When that someone else's gun cannot pose any threat to you, and you can walk up and get the job of taking them out done quicker with a "cheap razor," I can understand why the Twins didn't carry guns. (Although, they DID use that compact assault rifle during the freeway chase.)

Don't get me wrong; Uzis and "big whoppin swords" do have their merits. But cool-looking, long blades and fully automatic firearms aren't always the best things to carry around, especially in the Matrix.

Wow ReddFoxx you really got down to the bone on that one. I couldn't have done it any better, I probably couldn't even do that.
Yet there are a few things here and there I would have to disagree with. The one that really stands out is the useless point of using a gun on the twins.

Yes they can 'Ghost' but doing so they can't touch a thing let alone harm it. So if you were to keep firing that weapon you wouldn't have to worry about a thing, or at least until the clip is empty. Even then you could always get away from them one way or another.
Like I said before what your saying is true but not to the fullest extent. I was merely filling in a blank spot.

ReddFoxx is correct, and what a brilliant post! I too have seen some of those old razors and man they are small, compact and deadly. Also they would take a hell of a lot of skill to master cutting someone correcty to mortally wound them. And as for the butterfly knife, I used to own one of those. Very nifty though mine was usually only used when I was camping however they have to be one of the quickest (and most impressive looking) blades to open.

Good point, AlmightyOne. Thanks for the compliment.

Kudos to you as well, UT, for your compliment.

What if the Twins were in the area that the Train Man built? Where Neo had no power? If the Twins were there then they wouldn't be able to Ghost and someone could easily kill them. Right?

Hmmm....perhaps. But I'm assuming they were deleted by the explosion. They couldn't ghost in time.

first, let me explain my theory. i think that the reason the Twins are exiles is that when they were uploaded into the matrix, say, as agents, an error was made and two were inserted instead of one.

so, to kill them, id say you'd have to deal them mortal blows simultaneously. and i'll bet that they can't be ghosted indefinitly. maybe a minute per day, if we want to get dnd ish. good rp idea there....

You know what I dont really know how you can kill the twins. I guess they can be destoryed unless they are deleted from the system. Or by the mainframe itself. That is the most normal answer that I can think of. Hope this helps.

If there is a way to kill them, i bet the frenchman is the only one that knows how..

i thought they did die (or were deleted) when the Escalade exploded. You didn't see them again after that

Well, dork butt (lol) just because you didnt see them doesnt mean they werent there. so yeah what now Fribley, bling bling straight up pimping yo!!!!!!!!

I thought they died when the cars exploded after they had chased/been chased by Morpheus and Trinity.

What you could do to kill them is get Link to download a program on how to kill ghosts for Trinity. She could then kill them. Or get the key maker to make a key to a secret room where it is impossible to change into ghosts then Neo could come in guns a blazin' and kill them both.

i believe the twins are viruses. so what you need to destroy them are anti-virus programs. maybe Norton could do it lol

What I want to know is why would anyone want to kill the twins? :D

What I want to know is why would anyone want to kill the twins? :D

You have to kill them when they are against you. If not, yeah, I'll keep em as my bodyguards! Heehee

good reason OA.

yeah if they would attack me, i would try to kill them.

Why? They were awful body guards. If you noticed, the keymaker got away. They'd just be teh random underling you always yell at when they screw up, and then send out again. Waste of time.
The easiest way to kill them, is to posion them, so they're paralyzed. Can't shift now, eh?

look, if you want to get rid of the twins, just deliver them over to me. We won't be disturbing anyone for days...

:D

look, if you want to get rid of the twins, just deliver them over to me. We won't be disturbing anyone for days...

:D


To you...for what? I'll take them first. anyway I suggest the bodyguard plan...heehee ...JK! :p

To you...for what? I'll take them first. anyway I suggest the bodyguard plan...heehee ...JK! :p
just some salad tossing, nothing too upsetting I hope.
I'm not so sure if I can handle the thought of sharing them with you, OA. I may be allowed to be a manplayer, but I'm not so sure if I can handle my guys being playas too. I hope you can understand :)

Don't be upset! Okok, I give em to u as your birthday presnt, ok?

Man, i hate it when girls get angry or sad with me. lol