Very interesting thought

I was just thinking about this. The agents put a bug on Neo on the movie right?? Why did they need to do this? If hes still in the matrix then the agents can become whoever they want at any time as long as they are plugged in. So when they found out the bug was deacctivated why didnt one of the agents just take the place of Neo and kill all the other crewmember there??

good question. i have no idea why, maybe a loop hole?

my only guess is that they can't become someone who
is "the one". but other than that, no idea.

luc l.

Yea it would totally ruin the movie if it were possible. The movie is still the greatest and im glad they made it the way they did.

hmm, I agree - it does seem like a loophole. Assuming Agents can see and hear whatever anyone still plugged in, the bug seems 'reduntant'.

-WC-

What has he told you?
Neo, "The One".
Has he told you the truth?
The future that just begun.

Things alwaysed seemed so real.
Yet now everything seem arranged.
Now that i know the truth,
Everything has changed.

I've always wondered about that...why can't Neo turn into agent smith when they're all together (when Neo choses the pill)? it would make so much sense because then they'd all get caught...but I figure that the agents can't find Neo's location since he isn't bugged....and I don't think the agents can just turn into random people. I think that the person must be really scared or surprised for this to happen...(because they emmit different brain signals that could trigger the agents) ...all this would explain why all those little kids (hopefulls at the Oracle's apartment) didn't just turn into agents...
BTW, the Oracle...is she still attached to the Matrix? I've never quite figured that out...I figure she wouldn't be, but then where would she hack in? But if she's in the Matrix...how does she know so much and...Ahh I'm kinda confused right now...can anybody clear this all up for me please? :confused:

Oracle, well, ask your question in the spoiler forum and see what someone that's seen M2 will say about it.

As for your point about the agent, it's a good point and I think this thread is probably the one best true loophole in the movie.

Given that Smith took over the subway bum's body because he saw Morph get sucked into the phone. That leads me to believe that all human thought pools into some main database somewhere that agents can peruse.

I think TheCrow should get a prize - a unique title or something for pointing this out.

-WC-

Well, perhaps, the agents have a certain range on their "bodyswitch" ability. or, perhaps they have to be within eyeshot.

That would explain why they had to debug him.

So the agents couldnt find out where he was going, get within rnage without their knowledge, and then bodymorph into Neo and screw up their plans (perhaps even killing one of the rebels)

There are six billion people on the matrix earth (I think). Maybe its hard for the machines to locate them down immediately. NOtice how Neo was able to escape from a team of agents in the Metacortechs building. They new exactly where he was but couldn't find him.

The bug was probably like a packet sniffer. Everything is just a computer program in the matrix, and has a physical representation. The agents finally located the file (neo) and placed a tracer program on him to monitor what it does. Kind of like how your boss can look at the porn you lookit at work.

lol @ Rev.Joshua, I think that is a good explanation. But maybe they can only track down a certain amount of people at one time and they needed the bug so they could focus on more then just one "Neo"?

i think, that agents know, that morpheus was trying to speak whit Neo.
When Neo didn´t want to help agents, they wanted to follow his steps and so and so.
They didn´t know, why morpheus wanted to talk whit neo..?

Seeking justification for things that seem not to make sense follows the old Star Trek TOS line of thought. As long as blatant logical contradictions aren't introduced it is always possible to post-justify and fabricate a reasonable explanation. Only in the case of blatant contradictions is this recourse removed. I am sure their are thousands of plausible explanations that can be fabricated for most of these questions. The really interesting points come along when trying to explain something that seems self-contradictory - and once again Star Trek TOS did a great job of that given it's many writers who weren't always up on older scripts.

that´s too hard to my english.

I know what you mean Irkjuzuga...I wish I had a nice vocabulary like him...:( But anyway, I think I get what you're trying to say...that we'll find the answer in M2....

I have a tendency to write like that even though it's rare I talk like that:) The gist of what I was saying is that the more interesting questions to try and get the answers to are the ones that simply don't make sense. The number one I've found in the Matrix is the whole humans=batteries issue. Why not just lobotomize them a la "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest" - just as much energy is produced that way and no need for some kind of illusionary wonderland. I would hope the series would be clever enough to eventually "reveal" the batteries theory was a lie to confuse humans and that really they need human intellect to solve some mysterious problem. Otherwise they would just lobotomize.... Creating a make-believe world is simply silly for batteries....

Just my two cents...

Originally posted by Dawn
I know what you mean Irkjuzuga...I wish I had a nice vocabulary like him...:( But anyway, I think I get what you're trying to say...that we'll find the answer in M2....

i think that it has something to do with the "RED PILL" the pill is part of a trace program the disrupts NEO's input/ouput signals so his location can be pinpointed, i would assume that the pill helps prevent detection from the AGENTS, good thought, peace!

No, no, red pill has nothing to do with this, that was a locator program for Apoc to get a lock on Neo in the real world.

As for the original poster, I still think it's a great point - but Rev, Palindrome, and Haxen's point - that it either extended the range of sight for the agents or just acted like a beacon.

Great thread. -WC-

Morpheus and the others used the pill to trace Neo´s body in the real world. So when he woke up and was took to the bodies trash, they were already there to pick him up.
I think that there are people who is inside Matrix, but somehow they end up waking up in the real world, without help, they do that alone.
And they can do that because the are higher minded or something like. I think that Neo was one like that, and then he was consider like a different human.
And these kinds of human the agents cannot trace easily or take their bodies. Because the mind (brain) is the key.
Help me out here, now I can´t go on anymore!

Having watched the Matrix again after this post I paid close attention to the bug scene... I think the bug was placed in Neo not to watch him as much as to see where and what he might do.. Remember Agent Smith tells him "You re going to help us whether you like it or not" also in this same scene he makes reference to Morp and that they will wipe the slate clean if he will help them find Morp! So, with this in mind the bug was placed in Neo not for Neo himself but in hopes he would lead them to Morp... because he is no longer plugged in! Hows that?? :)

I think that the bug that was placed in Mr. Anderson, at that time, was ther so that they had a single screen detcting his movements and who his movements were with. That is why when he met up with Trinity, Apoc, and Switch they had to quickly get it out of him. yet it took them about 1.4 mins to get it out of him, which is why that little A.I. flyer thingy was there so quickly when he become a wake to the real world. THe Agents had seen that he was with Trinity, Apoc, and Switch and the Agents knew that they were followers/helpers to Morpheus.


Or Maybe I am just phyco and think completely things that no one will completely understand and am now just wasting your time.:p