What can Neo do in the Real World?

If neo has all these powers in the matrix, what kind of stuff do you think he can do in the real world?

Sleep, bleed, eat, poop. That's about it.

Makes you wonder how well he can fight though, given that he's been trained. I would think it would be a difficult transition coming from the matrix where you kick ninja butt - then come out and you have to breathe.

-WC-

neo can do absolutely anything he believes he can achieve, all he has to do is relize there is "no spoon" in the real world there are rules, however neo now knows that he can become unstoppable if he believes.:cool:

Neo can do about anything he wants to do. He doens't need to imagine a spoon bending anymore. Now since he knows he is the one, the spoon bends for him.

Well, the originally poster was talking REAL WORLD, not MATRIX world.

He's strong inside, but not even close on the outside.

-WC-

I think it's his enhanced cognitive capabilties that give him strength inside the Matrix. Assumably he would be very "brilliant" in his own special way. No mind over matter stuff, but probably more than a little genius given his unique nuerological makeup.

Originally posted by WildCard
Well, the originally poster was talking REAL WORLD, not MATRIX world.

He's strong inside, but not even close on the outside.

-WC-

I disagree. They were probably all geniuses, given their hacking skills. Remember that Trinity supposedly hacked something that made her famous?

I think that Neo is pretty un-special in real world.

-WC-

Originally posted by WildCard
I disagree. They were probably all geniuses, given their hacking skills. Remember that Trinity supposedly hacked something that made her famous?

I think that Neo is pretty un-special in real world.

-WC-

But remember how impressed they were with his neural activity in the first flic during the simulations. I'm not saying he has realized his full potentail yet, but something about his brain made him the one and that same set of capablities no doubt has some residual bonuses in the real world. Not mind over matter power, but still he would probably be capable of some impressive mental feats once he learned to unlock them.

hmm, you are absolutely right. I had forgotten about that.

Maybe you are right, hmm. I have to think about that one. I think Mouse said in the movie, 'his neurological activity was off the chart'.

-WC-

Neo can do less in the real world, since he can no longer bend the rules. The real world isn't bendable. You can't just jump from skyscraper to skyscraper, because the gravity isn't adjustable anymore, while in the Matrix it is.
He learned a lot fighting techniques though, which he can use in the real world, only limited by unbendable rules.

welcome to the real.....................................Really soon

I think he is like any other in the REAL world. unless this next movie shows us otherwise

having just seen the movie tonight...neo stopped the centinels from killing himself, trinity, and morpheus. And he did this in the real world...all he did was hold his hand up.....after however he slips into a coma....so he is the one in both the matrix and the real world!!!!!

neo cant do jack in the real world. All he can do is bend spoons made of cheap metal. The powers are only in the matrix. We havent seen him do anything out of the ordinary when hes not in the matrix.

there is no such thing as the real world. it is only a matrix within a matrix.

HE CAN DO anything !!!!anything anything

Welcome to the real......................................or is it?
Luc,


are you saying that Zion is just another programne?

are you saying that Zion is just another programne?
Well that could be another source for making more movies :p.

ok if there is no real world and there is only the matrix there where is the matrix what is it in where is it based dosen't make sense there got to b a real world and there got to be a zion

I fully agree with you, if you have a Matrix within a Matrix, the end is gone ;).

OH please - not a matrix within a matrix - that's been so done already (go see the 13th floor - I think even twilight zone or perhaps Outer Limits played with that too)

As far as the Matrix movie, you do have to remember that when Morphius was training Neo, he pointed out at lot of the differences between the matrix and the real world. "do you think your muscles have anything to do with your ability to beat me in here? Is that air you are breathing? Again! Stop trying to hit me and hit me!"


The entire concept of the 'there is no spoon' was part of the Neo's realization that the Matrix was not 'real' - or at least not 'real' as would be the world it was created to represent. He could dare the impossible by beginning to realize that it is all just a computer light show for his mind.

Of course, if there was a matrix within a matrix, they could always have Ted waking him up at the 23rd century arcade with George Carlin waiting outside for their next Excellent Adventure! But what's really gonna bake your noodle later on (to quote the oracle) is if it means anything when a young orphan sends a gift to Neo in part II.

KL

how do we even know he's in the REAL world???

how do we even know he's in the REAL world??? ok now what im saying is what if the comp.s did that so it would be harder to get out of the matrix. think they can put us in a program why not multiple programs?:eek:

Originally posted by Tmont22
If neo has all these powers in the matrix, what kind of stuff do you think he can do in the real world?

he can hang with his buddys in a ship andgo into the matrix:D

what is real? how do you define real? :p

i still say that there is no real world. everyone in the
matrix is living a lie and there is no escape.

zion is not in the real world, but rather inside the
matrix.

Originally posted by Luc
what is real? how do you define real? :p

i still say that there is no real world. everyone in the
matrix is living a lie and there is no escape.

zion is not in the real world, but rather inside the
matrix.
Yeah, like Neo and the gang *thought* they were outside, but the Matrix only *let* them believe that... :p Gets complicated, isn't it?

Tonight as I watched the movie I thought to myself what could Neo do in the "real world"?

Then he stopped the machines by using his hand.

Confusing? Especially now that I have read a few posts about Zion being just another program in the matrix.

If he were in the real world there are the rules that we know exist. Gravity, the spoon and etc. However within the program these rules can be broken. In the real world I would assume he may know the martial arts but I doubt he would be as fast or strong.

I'm guessing what the mind can do the body will follow

Hmmm....

Originally posted by Luc
what is real? how do you define real? :p

i still say that there is no real world. everyone in the
matrix is living a lie and there is no escape.

zion is not in the real world, but rather inside the
matrix.

Luc, with all due respect, there are many things you CAN NOT understand about this movie unless you know the book upon which it was based...The Bible.

You are entitled to your opinions though. Just don't use your title to make people think you know stuff that's just your opinion.

I agree 100% with Luc. obviously neo CAN do things in the "real" world. He shows us this in the movie. "Wait........somethings changed" There are a number of theories I have in how/why. if you care here we go-

1. The "real" world is a failed matrix from the past.

2. this won't end, Neo walked away, just like every other "One" thus doing what the machines wanted him to. The matrix will live on, Neo messed it up.

3. The red pill was a patch code that morpheous explained would "open your mind" but only provided a link into an older program.

4. neo is now pointless. all he is is an upgrade program that has run its purpose, the matrix has lived on and since this neo did what all the other neo's did, everything will be fine.

5. the machines still need the humans, why else would they play this cat and mouse game with zion 6 times (if the architect is to be belived) They need the humans to help them find the next upgrade, why? i don't know.

I noticed something when I watched the movie last night. Neo hold up his hand and there is this electrical explosion, and the machines fall lifeless to the floor. The blue electrical discharge reminded me of the EMP pulse from the first matrix. Moments later the ship comes by to pick the group up. Perhaps it was that ship powering down and releasing its emp that destroyed the sentinels, not Neo at all. I think that the real world is going to be close to the simulated real world, but with Neo as the Smith-influenced fella that you see at the end.

"I want to offer a theory, concerning possibly the direction the next film will take. The sequence at the end, where the camera pans off neo on the bed to the Agent-smith mole, suggests to me the following. Suppose, early on in the movie, when Agent Smith jabs his hand into Neo's chest, and begins converting him, that this process actually succeeded. However, in order to control him, his conscious mind must be kept asleep. Therefore he was made to believe that he fought off the procedure, and remained whole. The fighting after that was merely a distraction; in the "real world", Neo is the mole without knowing it, and the ending of the movie (the whole matrix within the matrix idea) is neo beginning to realize this, which results in a coma for both personalities, as they come into conflict. As far as whether or not their is a real Zion, and if it was really destroyed 6 times or so (I would assume so since I got the impression that the sentinels knew exactly where to go/what to do). There is of course, that accepted reality that the architect talks about, where they suppress the anomaly by convincing him that he saves the world and trap him into believing that he's escaped when he hasn't. Perhaps it will be Agent Smith's ability to influence the real world from within the matrix that may result in the destruction of the machines. I wonder what the "real world" will be like."

By the way, the quotes are because I copy/pasted from http://www.eatoutgoout.com/Display_Review.asp?Film_ID=418 from my own post there.

I think it's pretty comical that at the beginning of this thread, most of you thought Neo had no power in the real world at all.

Because of that you all conclude that there are at least 2 Matrix(s).

This is not true if Neo is more than human. What if he is a being indwelt with the same extraMatrixal (new word there) power that is the source of the Oracle's power?

That certainly would explain his power in the real world and makes logical sense that if he really is THE ONE (the only one) he would be indowed with ability that his fellow humans don't have.

I noticed something when I watched the movie last night. Neo hold up his hand and there is this electrical explosion, and the machines fall lifeless to the floor. The blue electrical discharge reminded me of the EMP pulse from the first matrix. Moments later the ship comes by to pick the group up. Perhaps it was that ship powering down and releasing its emp that destroyed the sentinels, not Neo at all. I think that the real world is going to be close to the simulated real world, but with Neo as the Smith-influenced fella that you see at the end.

Neo said that there was something wrong, and he could feel the machines. Than that ship came flying, doesn't the ship has to be off to be able to make an EMP or it will deactivate itself?

I believe it would shut itself down...or kill itself, like the sentinals (sp?).

ahh, but then how many systems within systems within systems are there? At the beginning of M1, Neo was selling illegal software to drug addicts - probably some other form of mind bender simulations.

How would we know the creators/controllers of the Matrix aren't within their own Matrix? Then who runs that Matrix and what Matrix is that one in? Or that one? AHHHHHHH

It's hopeless....

no, I don't wanna buy that arguement yet. But I also hope it is not just another veiled pro-christian message.

KL

Neo said that there was something wrong, and he could feel the machines. Than that ship came flying, doesn't the ship has to be off to be able to make an EMP or it will deactivate itself?

Not necessarily. Remember at the end of Matrix I, the sentinels bust inside and Morpheus hits the emp which flows through the whole ship. Neo was still plugged in at this point (or just barely out) so the ship's systems were still running. Also, the ship that picked up Neo & Co. at the end could have powered down, emp'ed and then powered up again, though this probably would have taken some time.

they didn't show if the ship was still functioning in the end of one. but all machines were turned off even inside the ship, and the ship powering up could take sometime.

Also if it really was the ship that did the EMP, than it would not be interesting finding that out in matrix revolutions, i think the main thing that will make people go and see the next matrix is how neo did that to the machine, and agent smith at the end.

i just don't think they would do that to the fans(lie about neo's powers in the real world).

Originally posted by salt
I think it's pretty comical that at the beginning of this thread, most of you thought Neo had no power in the real world at all.

Because of that you all conclude that there are at least 2 Matrix(s).

This is not true if Neo is more than human. What if he is a being indwelt with the same extraMatrixal (new word there) power that is the source of the Oracle's power?

That certainly would explain his power in the real world and makes logical sense that if he really is THE ONE (the only one) he would be indowed with ability that his fellow humans don't have.

Well I think many people (myself included) come to the multiple matricies (sp?) conclusion because of two reasons:

1) Hints (arguably) dropped at the end of the movie
2) The philosophical style of the Matrix I & II

The problem with making a sequel is that the majority of the most original ideas within the setting you've already used. Even the most skilled directors are going to suffer a disadvantage because of this. After the first movie, many people began debating the idea (with renewed vigor since Descartes's time) of reality all over the place. I've always loved philosophy, and, partly for this reason, I feel that that was the greatest strength of the Matrix. You got to take something out of the movie with you. So the question is, how do you create the same response without repeating yourself? Simple. Destroy everything from the first movie; make what you eventually learned was real in Matrix I end up being fake, and leave them not knowing what's what anymore, whether there is or is not multiple matricies, etc. For some people, it worked. Others hated it.

The whole Matrix within a Matrix within a Matrix within a Matrix...just makes it too complicated. I am used to being able to predict movies and TV. Most of them are disgustingly predictable and my wife hates to watch TV with me cause I end up knowing what's going to happen in the end 15 minutes into the movie.

That's what I love about these movies, the strength, if you will, of the plots...very difficult to predict, which is what makes them so much fun. :D

Originally posted by Meltdown
Well I think many people (myself included) come to the multiple matricies (sp?) conclusion because of two reasons:

1) Hints (arguably) dropped at the end of the movie

What hints were those?

What hints were those?

Oh man, I can imagine this started 50 more threads...it seems to me, since my last post, that what seems to be hints to some people doesn't to others. I was getting the multiple realities impression during the whole architect conversation, at the last camera shot, where it pans off neo on the bench to the Agent Smith-affected man on the same bench in the same clothes (would seem to suggest an alternate reality to me at the very least), and esp at the end when Neo says he can "feel" the sentinels.

Originally posted by salt
The whole Matrix within a Matrix within a Matrix within a Matrix...just makes it too complicated. I am used to being able to predict movies and TV. [..] I end up knowing what's going to happen in the end 15 minutes into the movie.

That's what I love about these movies [...very difficult to predict, which is what makes them so much fun.

In another thread, I listed a lot of my favorite movies because I considered them 'mind f**ks' - it was a play on the 'mind job' comment of Cipher to Neo in M1.

It included movies like 'The Game', 'Shawshank Redemption' and 'No Way Out' for the way they lead you around the whole movie only to completely catch you off guard at the end. (now, even in these movies, I figured it out before anyone else and they wondered why I was going nuts just before Michael Douglas jumped, before the wardon threw the chess peice or when the agents picked up Costner)

The list also includes films like Single White Female and Nightmare on Elm Street (the original) where the premise leaves you wondering just what is going to happen next throughout the whole film. So agree Matrix is by far #1 on my list because it includes this type of content and leaves me guessing.

But I also move it up the list because it fits my other category of movies I like. That being movies that make you think - that seem to take you into a plausible scenario but then throw unconsidered twists at you. Especially those that pertain to social or philosophical concepts. Movies like "American Beauty" or "Fight Club" (although Fight Club had a twist at the end too).

Add onto that list the fact that I am a techno-geek to some extent anyway, working in computers, and being somewhat of a misfit anyway and it's a powerful combination. I think that anyone who has ever been pushed around or looked down on by some neanderthal on the football team or girl's volleyball squad can relate the having fantasy scenarios on how their 'brains' could overpower the system that allows might to over power right.

KL

Neo cant do much out side of the matrix. Although he does know how to fight(due to training) he does not posses the same powers in the real world.

SidVicous i don't think you saw The Matrix Reloaded, did you?

Originally posted by Meltdown
at the last camera shot, where it pans off neo on the bench to the Agent Smith-affected man on the same bench in the same clothes (would seem to suggest an alternate reality to me)

What do them having similar clothes have to do with anything? They are spit out of the power plants stark naked and I don't recall seeing or hearing of any large flocks of sheep or large plantations of cotton down in Zion. Feeding 250,000 people by itself is a monumental task.
I can't imagine coming up with diversity in clothing is a high priority - at least not for the grunts on the ships. And the attitudes of the 'power structure' of the military of Zion suggests that not only has Neo not been giving much consideration of rank but that many do not even buy into the religious significance of his 'calling'. The council woman had a hard time even finding a second volunteer to go seek out the Neb when they met with the military advisors for goodness sake!

I just wish I had known they tagged the trailer on the end of the movie. I had to pee really bad so I got out when the credits started to roll! lol

KL

Originally posted by k-lynn
What do them having similar clothes have to do with anything? They are spit out of the power plants stark naked and I don't recall seeing or hearing of any large flocks of sheep or large plantations of cotton down in Zion. Feeding 250,000 people by itself is a monumental task.
I can't imagine coming up with diversity in clothing is a high priority - at least not for the grunts on the ships. And the attitudes of the 'power structure' of the military of Zion suggests that not only has Neo not been giving much consideration of rank but that many do not even buy into the religious significance of his 'calling'. The council woman had a hard time even finding a second volunteer to go seek out the Neb when they met with the military advisors for goodness sake!

I just wish I had known they tagged the trailer on the end of the movie. I had to pee really bad so I got out when the credits started to roll! lol

KL

Well, it isnt just their clothes...if I remember correctly, the Agent Smithie is not plugged into anything, or in a cave. He's on the exact same bench, same surroundings, etc. Maybe its a leap, but the fact that one is done right after the other as the last scene in the move seems to me like its been put in to foreshadow something larger than "the wildcard is still out there."

THE MATRIX IS REL. AND IT HAS U ALL. THIS MOVIE DISPLAYS WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR YOUR PUBLIC EYES. THE MATRIX ISNT A MOVIE, IT IS REAL. SO REAL, THAT THE ONLY THIN IN THE MATRIX THAT CONNECTS U AND ME IS THE INTERNET. U ALL THINK THE MATRIX IS A MOVIE. BUT IT ISNT, THE AGENTS HAVE MADE THIS MOVIE TO MAKE U THINK IT CANT POSSIBLY BE REAL. BUT BELIEVE ME, IT IS............. THE MATRIX HAS ALL OF U

Originally posted by NEO911
THE MATRIX IS REL. AND IT HAS U ALL. THIS MOVIE DISPLAYS WAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION FOR YOUR PUBLIC EYES. THE MATRIX ISNT A MOVIE, IT IS REAL. SO REAL, THAT THE ONLY THIN IN THE MATRIX THAT CONNECTS U AND ME IS THE INTERNET. U ALL THINK THE MATRIX IS A MOVIE. BUT IT ISNT, THE AGENTS HAVE MADE THIS MOVIE TO MAKE U THINK IT CANT POSSIBLY BE REAL. BUT BELIEVE ME, IT IS............. THE MATRIX HAS ALL OF U

i think that these jokes are old...

back to the point a computer is a device or group of devices workng under the control of a stored program automatically accepting and processing data to produce information what is the point simple sure u can a matrix within a matrix but u still got to have a real world so the question is how do u no the difference as every computer program there are falts kinda of when mother nature does something that no one can explane unpredictabile wheather my point is there is no were to no weather your in the really world or in a program but u no that there has to be a really world same way there got to be a god i think?

After seeing the Matrix Reloaded this week I was left with many questions about Neo's powers like many of you. The scene where he stops the squidies with his hand really has made me think. I have thought about differnt therories like the matrix in a matrix or maybe the ship that picks Neo and the gang up did an EMP blast, or even Neo having almost messiah like powers. Now to me none of these really fit except maybe the matrix in a matrix. Then I remembered something I read a long time ago about usual humans only use one tenth of their brain. AH HA. Is really that hard to believe Neo is an exception to that statistic? In the first movie Mouse even makes a comment about his brain waves being off the chart. It doesnt sound that far fetched compared to Neo just having God like powers because he is the one or the matrix in a matrix cause that could go on forever. At least him using more of his brain could explain his powers better than him just being born with them. A trait of the first movie is that its believable and even could be considered realistic, and Neo being able to use more of his brain power in the matrix and in the real world is very believable. And when he goes into a coma it could just be like "pulled a muscle" in his case he strained his mind because it was his first time using his powers in the real world. Thats my therory take it or leave it but anyone that could maybe share their ideas would be great. But either way I think we can expect great things from Neo, after all he is the ONE.

I guess you're right on this one, Neo is an exceptional human being with 'brain waves off the chart', reanimate himself after being shot (The Matrix) and such events.
I think he can do more things than we can in the real world. Simply because he has the powers.

if zion is a matrix, and ships are attacked by sentinals then the machines are a program. it is all a method of control, so what is the real world and who is creating the machine programs. this goes deeper than everyone thought.

Originally posted by Meltdown
I noticed something when I watched the movie last night. Neo hold up his hand and there is this electrical explosion, and the machines fall lifeless to the floor. The blue electrical discharge reminded me of the EMP pulse from the first matrix. Moments later the ship comes by to pick the group up. Perhaps it was that ship powering down and releasing its emp that destroyed the sentinels, not Neo at all.


if this is true then why would neo go into a coma.

Neo is psychic :D
(probably the shortest post on this forum :p)

First off...this thread is very complicated, as is the movie.


As for Neo being in a come after stopping the sentinels, i have a feeling that he is in an alternate reality or maybe even the matrix (the most recent one - i say this because of the popular belief that there is more then one Matrix simultaneously- or the "Matrix within a Matrix"..and so on)

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Neo's powers therory
After seeing the Matrix Reloaded this week I was left with many questions about Neo's powers like many of you. The scene where he stops the squidies with his hand really has made me think. I have thought about differnt therories like the matrix in a matrix or maybe the ship that picks Neo and the gang up did an EMP blast, or even Neo having almost messiah like powers. Now to me none of these really fit except maybe the matrix in a matrix. Then I remembered something I read a long time ago about usual humans only use one tenth of their brain. AH HA. Is really that hard to believe Neo is an exception to that statistic? In the first movie Mouse even makes a comment about his brain waves being off the chart. It doesnt sound that far fetched compared to Neo just having God like powers because he is the one or the matrix in a matrix cause that could go on forever. At least him using more of his brain could explain his powers better than him just being born with them. A trait of the first movie is that its believable and even could be considered realistic, and Neo being able to use more of his brain power in the matrix and in the real world is very believable. And when he goes into a coma it could just be like "pulled a muscle" in his case he strained his mind because it was his first time using his powers in the real world. Thats my therory take it or leave it but anyone that could maybe share their ideas would be great. But either way I think we can expect great things from Neo, after all he is the ONE.


I think your totally right.

neo can't do diddly squat in the real world. he is the one and the one can only bend the matrix to his will, not the real world.

What if Smith having been inbued with some of Neo chooses to be the one to end this nightmare scenario. He hates Neo and does not want to fight him endlessly as would happen if Neo comes back a seventh time, etc... I think at the end of part 2 that Neo is showing signs of having real world power similar to what happened in the Matrix. He achieved his levels of powers in gradual steps in the Matrix. The stopping of the squiddies is the first step in using his powers in the real world. One cannot simply be bestowed with the power of the One. One has to walk the path of the One. That means he has to learn it step by step. The squiddies being the first step in the real world.

Yes his reaction speed and neural net activity is off the charts in the real world. Neo shows some exceptional ability outside the Matrix. Tank says "10 hours straight,.. he's a machine". In the real world if I take an educational course that doesn't mean I will pick it up as fast as everyone else. My abilities make my learning easier or harder. In what Neo needs to become the One he has exceptional abilities natural and learned.

I don't believe we are in a Matrix within a Matrix scenario. That has too many options to it and leads to no real "real world" scenario which is very grim. With the kind of love they are showing between Neo and Trinity I don't think they would allow such a grim storyline. The point of pursuing this whole movie trilogy is to save what matters which is the "real world".

I think many on this post are assuming of multiple Matrixes because of the previous NEOs. The previous NEOs are identical to the current NEO because the machines grow them through cloning of an original. This is the only way they can come about as there is no real world people having sex and giving their children to the machines. The machines grow them via cloning. Hence multiple NEOs, Trinity, etc... When one expires they grow a replacement. The machines control the reality of the Matrix and can have anyone relive their life as many times as they want.

When you die in mind in the Matrix the "body cannot live without the mind". Neo shows this by bringing Trinity back to life. She should have been dead the moment she died in the Matrix. He modified the reality of the Matrix which modified the reality of the real world. This was the incident that gave him the idea that he could stop the squiddies on the outside of the Matrix. It sounded far fetched to him as well. But he tried and through his extensive experiences he has had in the Matrix he was able to make the connections to think past the reality of the real world and modify it at a basic cellular electrical level that we all exist in.

?What do you think?

Has anyone thought about the possibility (*I am a big harry potter fan) that Smith, when Neo "blew him up" in the first movie, or if not then, when Smith tried to infect him with his virus and replace him with himself, had a connection to all of the Matrix because he is a part of it? So, by being at one point connected directly with Neo, and actually being one with him, he possibly left a lasting connection to the Matrix inside Neo. That may be why he can sense the Sentinels. As to why he went into a coma in the end, it's possible that using that power also linked him back to Smith and (small theory) they might have to duke it out in their coma states?

Who knows, but the Neo-Smith connection to the Matrix link is a fairly prevalent one amongst my friends and I. Also, the reason it may have happened in the first movie is that Smith was still directly linked to the Matrix and he hadn't removed his ear piece thingy yet. And if he got that skill from the first movie, people might ask why he never stopped sentinels in the 6 months afterwards - well it's possible that he just didn't discover that ability until he was faced head-on with sentinels. Besides, he is able to sense agents in the second movie, so his sense of awareness is obviously a bit more heightened.

Anyway, in a nutshell: Neo is linked to Smith from their contacts, Smith is linked to the Matrix, so Neo can sense everything linked to the Matrix and so he could sense the Sentinels.

Wow blyss, my friend told me the exact same thing earlier today. Valid in theory.. however i dont really think that smiths attempt to copy over Neo was anything else then a failure. Besides, why would Smith have any advanced to the sentinels in the real world anyway? Hes not even part of the matrix anymore, hes a rogue program

this theory has probably already been said, but here goes nothing.

I think that the 'real world' is actually just an add on to the matrix.
The architect and i think it was agent smith from the first matrix speaks of how several matrix's were created but gigantic failures. One of the reasons or the main reason for the first matrix to collapse was that the world was too perfect and the human mind couldnt accept that, i believe it was something along those lines?
This is what got me and my friends thinking, and lots of discussion has taken place in the playground. I believe that the real world is really just an upgraded matrix which brings balance to both sides, tricking the people in the 'real world' into believing that they are the ones set free from the matrix. Believing this would cause the people with off the chart neurological readings like Neo and hackers like Trinity to think they are free and not attempt to break free of the REAL MATRIX which is the real world.
I think that eventually Neo realises this after he meets with the architect and senses something is not right, he then uses his powers in a different environment which different rules apply to that of the matrix ( in attempts to fool people of Zion and Morpheus blah blah ) and because of this goes in to a coma because he was not mentally ready to take them on. Since it was really his first time properly using them in a different matrix where the rules are different.

:D reply and tell me what you think, thanks

blyss, reading your theory has gotten me thinking too, Since smith was once connected to the matrix at one point in time, he would have extensive knowledge into how it works and possibly a direct link back to the central mainframe. Neo would have been able to gain small parts of this knowledge and since his neurological activity was off the chart, "hack" the systems of the sentinels?

doesnt the oracle say that once a program is outdated or has done something wrong, it is to return to the central mainframe? Smith could have done this and maybe still has a link to it? Which Neo inherrited when Smith tried to morph with him?

there are a few possiblilitys for neos sentinel killing stunt
(probally has been said before )

1. the real world is still the matrix. more of a protection program to make them "think" they are free and dont continue to actually really free themselfs
2.neo is a superhuman that can use his powers in the matrix or in the real world.
3.the ship they gettin in used the emp to kill the sentinels neo was right in the way of the blast and got in a coma (the makers just want to mind fu&@ the viewers)
4.It was all another on of neos dreams.

or whatever the reason it will be known in REVOLUTIONS

I think we have not seen the "real world" yet in the Matrix movies. The "Real World", "Zion" is all part of the system. All part of the matrix. Noone has true been awakened yet. This is proven by the fact that Agent Smith can download himself into a human and Neo can stop or interact with Squidies in the "Real World". What do you think. How deep is the rabbit hole?

This is my brother-in-law's vision of the matrix.
What you all think about it?

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There is no real world, at least Zion is not real. Here is some
evidence to support my theory:

- Something didn't feel right when Neo went back to the
"real" world at the end. He stopped the sentinels with his bare
hands. This is obviously impossible.

- Neo drempt of Trinity's death in the REAL world, meaning
that something was suggesting her death all along. This is
possible in the Matrix, but impossible in the real world.

- The Architect suggested, in a hidden sense, that there
is no escape.

I think that the Architect fears Neo and this is why he lies to
him. Since Neo can control the Matrix to a large degree, he
might eventually learn to travel from one level of the Matrix
to the other.

The Architect gives Neo a choice. Door #1, Save humanity
by letting them destroy Zion and then recreate it. Door #2
Try to prevent the invasion of Zion and eliminate the entire
human civilization by destroying the Matrix.

The Architect knows that if Neo takes option #1, he bit
the bait and he has nothing to worry about because
he's got Neo on a leash. If hNeo goes with Door #2, the
Architect can only hope that Neo doesn't realize that there
is no real world, and he's just moving from one Matrix
to another.

I feel that once Neo realizes that there is no escape, and
that they're all inside a Matrix, which exists within a Matrix
he will be able to control it some how.

I think there are three possibilites for this "levels of matrixes" thing in the movie, drawing from real life:

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There is no matrix. Everything is real as we see. This is obviously not the case of the universe within the movies.
There is one matrix. Some clear criteria must exists to distinguish between an artificial world and the real world. Some how, somewhere is "real."
3. There is no way to clearly say what is real and what is not. There are infinite matrixes.
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The predominate thing amongst the philosophers who the W bro.s read seems to be nihilism and existentialism (sp?). So, probably they lean toward choice(!) 3 above.

I know this not the Animatrix forum, but I'm gunna site it as proof anyway.

In "The Second Renaissance," my wife was always pointing out that the story, preportedly from the Zion mainframe, was very pro-machine. Since we have learned that the current incarnation of Zion has simply been seeded by the Machines controlling a previous One, there history is totally suspect as having been handed to them by the machines. It's probably not 2199, as Morpheus said, but somthing like 8142.

"do you think your muscles have anything to do with your ability to beat me in here? Is that air you are breathing? Again! Stop trying to hit me and hit me!"

Ummm....I think you mean....

"Do you think my being stronger of faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? Do you think that's air you're breathing now? Again. Stop trying to hit me and hit me!"

"I know what you're trying to do."

"I'm trying to free your mind, Neo. But I can only show you the door, you are the one who must walk through it. Thank, load the jump program."

That's all I can remember right now....It should be pretty close....I know the muscle part is now correct and that's all I really wanted to make correct....BTW it's odd how they never explained how Tank died...I guess we're supposed tobelieve his wounds were fatal even though he lived a while before he must've died, thought it seems like the start of the movies is years later, but it might not be...

i think tank died in the animatrix

"Real" is only a collective belief in a subject that we analyse. People are told what to believe, what to see, and what to do at a young age (some of you might call this "parenting" ;)). However when people start to disbelieve in what they have been told to know, they form their own opinions on subjects in life that can be different to the collective "Truth". When people make these beliefs known, they are usually seen as mad and are cast out of the collective...

- My first post... just wanted to get it off my chest

Really good point Kumi, we make are own believes and than teach them oure children. If someone else was in power may be our beleives would be that we need to beat or kill weak people as they are not needed.

Had a few discussions with my friends about that.

matrix within a matrix is a possibility, but I'd like to believe they're not going to take that route given the Brothers knowledge of philosophy they have to be familiar with the humunculis(sp?) theory and its short-comings. Existence also played with the concept of an endlessly telescopic ruse. after seeing the scene with Neo and the Sentinels at the end of Reloaded I think they're more likely to head in the direction of a more spiritual or faith based explaination for Neo's being the ONE. (I hate using word "spiritual"..sounds soo cheesy Christian) but it fit. I also liked young lethals theory on there being not an infinite amount but definetly more than one matrix.

**nothing against Christians... although it contains many allusions and titles from/to the Christian bible it harbors many more that point towards a nihilistic (sp) view of the life as was mentioned earlier...sorry can't remember who posted it. Did I miss it if the Brothers themselves said otherwise?

matrix within a matrix is a possibility, but I'd like to believe they're not going to take that route given the Brothers knowledge of philosophy they have to be familiar with the humunculis(sp?) theory and its short-comings. Existence also played with the concept of an endlessly telescopic ruse. after seeing the scene with Neo and the Sentinels at the end of Reloaded I think they're more likely to head in the direction of a more spiritual or faith based explaination for Neo's being the ONE. (I hate using word "spiritual"..sounds soo cheesy Christian) but it fit. I also liked young lethals theory on there being not an infinite amount but definetly more than one matrix.

humunculus.....and I agree....spiritualistic does sound cheesy christian.....i mean, yes it has strong nihilistic connotations, especially since the chapter Neo cut to to keep his money in the Simulation and Simulacra book is the chapter on nihilism....I also believe it's at least 2 matrices but not an infinite number...

Couldn't it just be that neo is simply "in" the machine mainframe and able to control machines? The agents in M1 ordered strikes by squiddies and now Smith in both in the matrix and the real world. I think Neo is changed from having gone to the Machine mainframe and can be in the Matrix without having to be plugged in.

its like in tron how the little programs look like their originators. There is some of Neo in the machine world just as the is Smith in the real world. There is no need for the plot cop-out of multiple matricies.

Couldn't it just be that neo is simply "in" the machine mainframe and able to control machines? The agents in M1 ordered strikes by squiddies and now Smith in both in the matrix and the real world. I think Neo is changed from having gone to the Machine mainframe and can be in the Matrix without having to be plugged in.

that was one of the original theories my friends and I came up with....but now I think Neo might be the AI...

Why do the architect and the agents all make such a point of Neo being merely human then?

because that's what he's supposed to believe.... :) for the program to work correctly he has to have emotion, the more he believes he's human the more likely he is to have emotion...

The agents in code view look almost white. Seraph looked like brass. Neo just looked like a human but bright around the edges. ie he doesn't look the a program. Also, if he is a program, why does he have a body in the real world?

well, the way i see it, since we know that Neo is the ONE, i cant argue that he would be unstoppable in the Real World just as he is in the Matrix, i know that he realizes that he can "bend and break rules" in the Matrix, but the question remains, is he AS powerful in the Real World as he is in the Matrix, any thoughts??

i agree with Rythym on this one, if Neo were a "program" as you think, then he would have no body in the Real World, just as Agent Smith has no Real body or the Oracle didnt either, so in conclusion, i dont think that Neo is a program, however, we know he is the 6th One and the One is a part of a program, yet, he knows that now and can rectify the past situations, he already made "The Choice"

After watching Agent Smith "relocate" the fact now stands that no original "real body" is necessary for Neo to be (or have started as) a program.

i agree with Rythym on this one, if Neo were a "program" as you think, then he would have no body in the Real World, just as Agent Smith has no Real body or the Oracle didnt either, so in conclusion, i dont think that Neo is a program, however, we know he is the 6th One and the One is a part of a program, yet, he knows that now and can rectify the past situations, he already made "The Choice"

The only problem with that is that you are assuming that we've really seen their bodies. The whole part where Neo is "unplugged" could just as well be fake. And so could Zion, the Nebuchadnezzar and everything else. You can't rule out my theory if you're not 100% sure you've really since their real bodies. And as 285_HelSent said, Agent Smith now exists in the "real" world, so that bodily qualification is now gone.

The architect talks about the function of the one, i.e. the function of the one program....so far we've seen people implanted into programs, well howabout programs implanted in people? Neo could very well be a human shell but with a reprogrammed mind. Also how could a real person exist as an anomaly in a program world? They'd have to be a part of that system, i.e. a program.

Hmmmmm...... Lets See........ The Matrix is a PROGRAM....... Soooooo.... Its on a COMPUTER...... sooo..... ummm...... You know..... Eat, sleep, Crap, Get food free from those freaks, all that.



I want free food :mad:

The matrix is their mind power, that is why they plug it into their heads. Therefor, the stronger one's mind is in the real world, the stronger they are in the matrix.

it really depneds on what the broters think of next

a computer is a device or set of devices which work under the control of a stored program automatically accepting and processing data to produce information the point for the second time is that the matrix is a program based in a computer but the computer has to be based somewhere real so if neo is a human and he can douge bullets in bullet time then he is in a program so what can he do in the real world? none of us know cause we are all in the matrix so to find an answer for that question is almost impossable it is just pure speculation like trying to know who is god we could keep on posting suggestions we might be right but we'll never know well not until someone leaves this program that were in does this make any sense?

Check it, if Neo was able to deactivate the sentinels himself, his abilities have extended outside of the Matrix, especially since he did not do what the machines wanted him to...Neo has freed his mind again, from the machines' agenda. Ergo, Neo has superhuman abilites outside of the Matrix

P.S. No more Matrix within a Matrix stuff; it just would destroy the storyline

P.S. part 2: In order for an EMP to be executed, all systems must be shut down, right? Well, a theory I have is that Neo went into a coma after deactivating the sentinels because HE emitted an EMP blast, and immediately after, all his conscious systems "shut down".

the matrix is inside all of us...
what we think of...
but do we always do what we feel?
do we always act upon what we feel?

well, in the 'real world' it appears that Neo cand o stuff he can do inside the 'matrix', except for that he went into a coma. although it was an incredible ending to the first part of the film...

I don't think that he could do anything until Perishpals (who i think is the the mother of the matrix) kissed him

STORY

Zion is not a free city. It is another part of the Matrix. Our heroes in the first and second movies have never really left the Matrix. They just think they did. You can see this in the second movie when Neo holds up his hand and stops the sentinels after stating, "Something's different." He has finally awoken to the fact that "the real world", is not really the real world after all. It is yet another computer simulation.

The old man, the architect, gave it away when he said that Human existence was all about choice, free will, in other words. The machines wanted to develop a way to control the humans, so they developed a system that gave humans the choice to be enslaved. As the architect pointed out, 99.9% of all humans accepted the choice. However, anomalies arose whenever that .1% of humans didn't accept the choice of conforming to the Matrix. As the Oracle stated, the Matrix is simply one system built using a bunch of other systems. So, in order to control the .1% anomalies who rebel against the system, the architect reveals that they developed another control system - that is, the control system of "The One."

Also the architect states that the mathematical anomaly for the One is a program that they use to control. So essentially The One is a program in the simulation.

There were 6 "The One" predecessors before Neo. The architect matter of factly states this, and the French merryl lynch guy confirms it earlier in the movie when he repeatedly states that "your predecessors didn't kill me, and you won't either."

"The One" control system was designed to eliminate the .1% anomaly of all humans who choose not to accept the Matrix. How does the Matrix eliminate the .1% anomaly? - By providing them with another choice, the choice to live or the choice to die.

The architect points out that "The One" chooses 32 people and then they all go and basically repopulate Zion. The One is set up to force a choice to accept going to Zion and repopulating it. Why? Because the machines destroy the existing Zion, and if The One doesn't go repopulate, then the human race will be extinct. So, The One for 6 straight times has chosen to "save" the human race. But, what The Ones have really chosen is continued bondage to the machines. They have bought into the whole control system.

Unfortunately, what the makers of the Matrix can't control is the fact that of the .1% anomaly from the original choice, there is yet another .1% anomaly. So, the entire system that the architect has built (the original Matrix plus the Zion Matrix) accounts for the choices that 99.99% of all humans will make. There is still an anomaly of .01%.

Why is there an anomaly? - Because of Choice. Choice is what Neo is presented with when he stands before the architect. Does Neo save the existence of the human race and repopulate Zion? Or, does Neo choose to save his love Trinity. 99.99% of all people won't ever make that choice (either through not having the chance or through not making it), but Neo does.

This is why he realizes that something is different in the "real world." This is why he can stop the machines, the sentinels. Why? Because it is just another system. And as we learned in the first movie, you are bound within the rules of the system only as long as you don't realize that you can bend or break the rules of the system.

This is why the little orphan boy who bent the spoons in the first movie sends Neo a spoon message in the second movie. It is to remind Neo that it is not the spoon who bends, but himself. He must bend to see through what the Matrix truly is.

The Matrix is about choice

Real World is Really another Matrix

Neo was able to stop the sentinals at the end of Reloaded because the "real world" is a second level of the Matrix. It is just another dream world created for the .1% of minds who couldn't accept the reality of the first level. It was created for them to make them think they had already escaped. That explains Neo's powers at the end, and how agent Smith was able to travel into the "real world."

Clue to Smith's Cloning Technique

the Smith clone that took over Bane was unconcious just like Neo right?? Well I think Bane also "felt" the sentinals as Neo did and disabled them in the real world and passed out just like Neo. Ok here is where Im going with this...........When Neo destroyed Smith in part 1 as Smith pointed out he and Neo became linked. This union is what gave Neo his power in the real world and also gave Smith his cloning powers as well. Smith was already connected to the machines so now Neo is connected in the Matrix and the real world as well. Now the Smith clone who took over Bane now has a human mind. I believe Smith now being human has freed his mind from the rules and boundries of the Matrix and couple that with having Neo's code imprinted on him will give Smith the same powers that Neo has in the Matrix.

I don't think that he could do anything until Perishpals (who i think is the the mother of the matrix) kissed him

That's persephone BTW, and also having a matrix within a matrix does not destroy the film, it adds to the degree of hopleness in the movies, also it would ruin the film to a greater extent if Neo were superhuman.....I might as well watch the Hulk movie for that.....the point is that he's a normal person and that any one of us could be like him.....you're supposed to be able to feel like Neo.....you can't feel like him if in the real world he has super powers too....

the Smith clone that took over Bane was unconcious just like Neo right?? Well I think Bane also "felt" the sentinals as Neo did and disabled them in the real world and passed out just like Neo. Ok here is where Im going with this...........When Neo destroyed Smith in part 1 as Smith pointed out he and Neo became linked. This union is what gave Neo his power in the real world and also gave Smith his cloning powers as well. Smith was already connected to the machines so now Neo is connected in the Matrix and the real world as well. Now the Smith clone who took over Bane now has a human mind. I believe Smith now being human has freed his mind from the rules and boundries of the Matrix and couple that with having Neo's code imprinted on him will give Smith the same powers that Neo has in the Matrix.


Quite thoughtful but you just contradicted your whole, lengthy, statement previous to that because you claim they're in the real world though Zion and it's outer boundaries are in another matrix. BTW, he can only save 23 people....16 male and 7 female.

You're statements previous to that are similar to a theory of my own. I believe that Zion is a matrix that holds those that fall in the 1% (1% because the architect states that 99% follow along blindly) anomaly. Those 1%, if left in the real world, would cause catastrophe and probably a system failure so they are allowed to "escape." I still feel that Neo may be AI due to the fact that the One program is either an annomaly or a programmed check. Either way the only way it could be possible is for him to be a part of that system as a program and thus not human, therefore Neo does not exist in the "real world" and those that we see with him in the "real world" are still in the matrix. Neo's true function may be for the creators of the matrix to have a perfect AI, capable even of emotion, which the Architect is checking for when they meet; i.e. save all humanity=logic/save trinity=love=emotion...my theory has some bugs but I'll have to wait until november to see how close I am...and you all as well....

listen, homefry, u got ta understand that Neo having powers outside of the Matrix is a key to, not only destroying the Matrix, but to cease the recyling of Zion. If Neo has power over the Sentinels, then humans have a better fighting chance. I know someone is going to say "Well what use is it if he falls into a coma every time?" Well we don't know if he will every time. The end of the movie is the first time he does it for cryin out loud; that is all.

Zync I do agree that Neo may be AI, but I believe only partially; I believe that he is a hybrid of AI and human....watcha gotta say on that? Well, of course, n e one is open to answer.

Consider, homeskillet, that Neo can control the sentinels not because he's Jesus but because they're connected to the matrix in some sort of way. They are, after all, part of the machine world and so is the matrix itself.

Trineo, I thought somewhat on Neo being a hybrid, but I haven't thought much about it due to the incredibly difficult implications of programming the human brain, though I do believe it's highly possible.

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Neo can blow up the sentinals...

Lock

I believe that Neo can use both powers he has in the Matrix as he can in the real world. Before he can do this though he needs to fully understand his own destiny. You can't die i love you to damn much!!

I don't belive the matrix is for humans. I belive the artificial Intellegence requires a natural living enviroment. In order to function. Which is why so many programs go into exile.

The Matrix isnt just about human survival. It's about the survial of the A.I. Which is why there trying to dsestroy zion.

And belive Neo is the connection between both worlds. His mind is a computer program. And he is now in exile with the humans, because he was programed to be like a human.

but then again you could say neo might just be dreaming everything and he wakes up in his mothers house in florida!

LOL to that florida thing!!!
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people on this board say a lot of stupid things. one of them is that neo is program, the other ones are too hard to remember.

you people make the movie more complicated than it already is, the movie will not have a stupid twist like that in the end like waking in up in florida, don't you get it? the public won't like that.

I think that you are right...

Lock

Even though all that analyzing is part of the matrix joy, I believe you are right too.
I remember reading a Keanu interview where he did state that the wachowskys don't do the sixth sense kind of cinema,
that they don't go: "oh! by the way" at the end of the movie.
Personally, they have delivered so far, and I believe they will in the third M.
Though I did get a good laugh out of the Florida thing!.

it might be true that neo is a program but then the o.s operating system is the matrix which does not make any sense because if neo is a program then why does the orcle not know. and then if he is a program what about the first one u no the one morpheus said was the one that freed the first set of them is he a program tothink of neo as just an administrator he can do any thing in the os (matrix) every body else has a limited account that is why he can do what he can . does that make any sense

Originally posted by aw-xisal
people on this board say a lot of stupid things. one of them is that neo is program, the other ones are too hard to remember.

you people make the movie more complicated than it already is, the movie will not have a stupid twist like that in the end like waking in up in florida, don't you get it? the public won't like that.

it's not what the public wants it's the truth there telling the truth but i have to agree with you it will never end like neo waking up in florida matrix evaloution can't end like that rather it can't end yet they are jus going to show how they will like it to end but end yet cause wears stillin the matrix

Originally posted by Luc
what is real? how do you define real? :p

i still say that there is no real world. everyone in the
matrix is living a lie and there is no escape.

zion is not in the real world, but rather inside the
matrix.

There are interesting clues that point to Zion being inside a Matrix - no only Neo stopping the Sentinels, but also the agent that, in the beginning of Reloaded, manages to "upload' himself to the mind of a supposedly 'real' human on a hovership.

That human later betrays Zion, and in the end of the movie, is lying on a table next to Neo.

The child giving the spoon to Neo is also interesting. If the Matrix is the matrix, and the real world real, than this cannot be THAT spoon... but if Zion exists inside a Matrix, then the representation of the spoon could be shared, a la a "COM object" between Matrices.

So I'm left just wondering about it - I mean, how could the agent have "possessed" a real human with an organic brain? (and as i posted elsewhere, if this was possible, why have a Matrix at all? Why not just possess all the humnas....)

Back to the original question: If there does turn out to be a "real" world, then Neo should be a regular human, with no inhuman powers.

If Neo turns out to be an AI himself, as the Oracle does, and others (ie., the Keymaker as a sentient cryptography application), then the movies have gone off the deep end... lol..

the machines keep the life of zion in cycle. it happens 6 times, it is called control. May be that is the best way of survival for them because they don't want humans going to deep so they destroy the city every hundred years - keeping them in a cycle

Quick comment on the "Matrix as an Operating System".

I think a better analogy might be that the matrix is a managed "run-time environment", like a Java Virtual Machine, or the .NET CLR.

That is - it has a set of rules and boundaries, within which all the applications must operate. However, this leaves open the possibility of other applications (the "French" AI, for example) to predate this version of the Matrix (he was apparently in the original failed matrix as well?).

This analogy would also imply that the Architect is something of a sentient "memory-management" module, since he is trying to re-balance a run-time-environment where a the equivalent of a memory-leak is endangering the underlying operating system.

I don't know if the actual A.I., or AIs, that control the actual, physical mainframe ever show their "faces'" in the first two movies. I mean, the Oracle is revealed to be an AI, who the Architect believes he is using as a method of returning Neo to him, prepped for his "choice".

If true, then the Architect may in turn be only a tool of more powerful AIs... I don't know, it's circles within circles.

now we are talking computers, i think people like that understand the matrix movies the best.

you said that oracle is an AI, may be she was just programmed to respond to what Neo, or Morpheus, or anyone else says in some way. Also an architect does not even have to be a program. AI is a physical thing, you cannot kill AI inside the matrix. Ai probably just created an architect as an visual of himself in the matrix, the architect might actually look like the person who made the AI in the beggining of the 21st century.

Originally posted by aw-xisal
the machines keep the life of zion in cycle. it happens 6 times, it is called control. May be that is the best way of survival for them because they don't want humans going to deep so they destroy the city every hundred years - keeping them in a cycle

I don't think that is the control that Neo referred to - otherwise, there would be no need for the Architect to have Neo choose 14 people to restart Zion, a la "garden of Eden" style.

I think that Zion is a control mechanism meant to ensure that "the one", a re-occuring anomoly resulting from the unbalanced equation defining the matrix, is eventually brought to the Architect knowing what the Matrix is, and what his decision will mean (the choice of doors).

The Architect is unable to compel Neo to make the choice of rebalancing the equation, and so has set up the elaborate ruse of Zion, the myth of "The One", and so no, in order to ensure that "the one" makes the proper choice. This time (apparently the 6th time), however, is different: Neo is in love, and opts to save trinity rather than rebalance the Matrix.

Then, of course, there is still the unresolved issue of how an agent was able to possess a human in the "real" world, how Neo stopped the sentinels in the "real" world, and the appearance of the spoon in Zion. All of these point to Neo never having left the Matrix (or that the real world is, in fact, inside a Matrix), or that the laws of the real world don't match those we are familiar with....

The second movie really has me wondering just how real "zion" is, and if it IS real, then how human Neo is..

all humans escaped the matrix have the metal things in their head. May be those "plugs", or whatever they are, are designed that a software can be written into a human brain by the machine or the matrix, after all the humans are grown on fields and machines probably can change anything they want.

Also that might lead to what the machines probably want is all humans to have those plugs in their heads so they can be in the matrix. Also the machines might want to keep this cycle with the matrix(make new matrix and new zion every hundred years), because they predict that humans will start to refuse the matrix and will die, just like in the first matrix.

The architect does look like the person who created the Matrix in the 21st century, recall that he said to Neo that he had been around ever since the first Matrix. There were prototypes of the Matrix before the Machines took control, it was original designed as a virtual reality, where all Humans could live in harmony, but that Matrix failed because it was too perfect and no one would accept it, because humans are sadistical, most humans don't feel perfect unless they see others suffering, such as people living in poverty versus people with lots of cash.

I think the revolutin inside the Matrix Revolutions is that Neo is going to develop powers in the 'real world' as well. and he's in comma because he´s mind is being 'evoluted'. I hope it's not a matrix within a matrix, it's going to be very disappointed.

All of the other previous 'Ones' choose the door to save humanity.

Since the current 'One' - Neo - didn't choose that door, I believe he is now awake to powers that work in the 'Real World'. The previous 'Ones' did not know this, because they sacrificed themselves before they realized they had this power.

'I can feel them...' -Neo

Couldn't before, because he wasn't awaked to those powers.

But then again... that's just my two cents.

I don't see what's so disapointing about there being a Matrix within a Matrix, it sounds better than some Star Wars b.s. If they are in the real world than Neo must have stopped those machines because he, along with everyone else is a cyborg. He probably believes in himself so much that he somehow created a connection from his own mind to the minds of the sentinals and made them stop.("I can feel them") I really don't believe that there is a one, I think that every human cyborg has the power to do what Neo does, but they don't know it yet. I hope that Neo hasn't delevoped some type of mystical "powers" in reality, because if he has it's going to be like star wars. Use the force Neo! :rolleyes: That's bull $#!^. Star Wars sucks and if this trilogy turns into something like that, I'm going to shoot myself!

K-lynn...

Your post about what's going to bake our noodles is awesome. I think there has to be some kind of trickery going on with multiple matrices somewhere around there, and that spoon may be the key. And I thought it was just some fun little reference to the first movie :rolleyes: ! Anyway, good eye. Keep posting. We need some intelligent people on here to balance out the idiots.

it might be true that neo is a program but then the o.s operating system is the matrix which does not make any sense because if neo is a program then why does the orcle not know. and then if he is a program what about the first one u no the one morpheus said was the one that freed the first set of them is he a program tothink of neo as just an administrator he can do any thing in the os (matrix) every body else has a limited account that is why he can do what he can . does that make any sense

Before I start my spiel....the oracle never says anything about Neo therefore we don't know whether he's AI, or human, or simply a program.


Onward now.....first off multiple matrices is not a stupid idea if it has a point. The point would obviously be control, and it would be yet another form of it. I think Zion might be a holding program/matrix meant to contain those that may cause an imbalance of the equation of the matrix. To give more credence to the existence of multiple matrices, take into account that there are backdoors to areas in the matrix. A single program doesn't need that many backdoors and indeed no one would put that many in because it'd be too easy to hack. Also, there's the spoon which someone said may be the same spoon from the matrix. Good point....also "the source," possibly the source code of the matrix BTW, seems to reside in a completely different program, maybe some sort of GUI, or control program where an avatar of the actual architect resides. Furthermore, did anyone other than me notice that in the first Matrix the scene where Smith meets and questions Neo for the first time is viewed through the Architect's video monitors? This means either the matrix is init, or some sort of daemon program that runs in the background, and can be controlled by the architect through a terminal or console program, or there exist many matrixes. In either case, it's very likely that more than one matrix exists.....sorry guys.....it's highly probable....

ok can i just say in behalf of my waking up in florida theory - IT WAS A JOKE LOL

which is why some people laughed - as for soemone saying why doesnt the oracle know neo is a program? who said she doesnt know? and neo being a program wouldnt really be a twist. because they refere to him being human quite alot. Then they prove that A.I can enter the real world - just like smith did!

Originally posted by aw-xisal
May be those "plugs", or whatever they are, are designed that a software can be written into a human brain by the machine or the matrix, after all the humans are grown on fields and machines probably can change anything they want.


you theory is already proven int he factit's how he learned kung fu - he had it uploaded. it's how trinity learned to fly a helicopter.

why can neo suddenly controlt he robots? something had changed.

it was choice. he did soemthing that wasnt suppose to happen he saved trinity.

In the first one he destroyed agent smith.

IS choice an illusion to make us think we have control of our lives....by saving trinity he proved it wasnt. i think lol

every thing he can do in de matrix i guess

my suggests are, i think he cant do anything.. hes trained by programs while hes inside the matrix (plugged in)
dont forgot this, the oracle is a program 2
well @ the last in matrix reloaded he feel the machines outside the matrix, its getting stranger isnt it?

btw sry for my bad english

Well....... Please read all of this.....

I think we have all forgotten what the question was in the first place and we all have begun to analyse the Matrix.

I believe that in the Matrix Reloaded Neo began to understand the Matrix and the real world (aparently) and his abilities. Quote from Neo when they run from the Ship... ' something is different! i can feel them'. Just like he can feel the agents he can feel the squidies! We have to realise this must mean that the 'real' world is another programme. It is such a mind blower but it is the truth! The only way Smith could infect that guy who is now in a coma too, is that there is something we don't know.

Agent Smith broke the rules of the Matrix. As the Oracle said when a system breaks or dies they have to return to the mainframe and get re-entered in to the Matirx. But Smith didn't do this. He chose to stay and not return to the Mainframe. I don't know how he did that but that is what has made him different.

Now i don't want to babble on like some others as i know it can get quite boring but there is just one more thing.

They writters are not going to do something we think of... they are not going to do something we hate ( if they do this they will not make much money from the movie). they ARE going to do something we will embrace and love and want to watch the movies over and over again.

Remember what makes us hardcore fans?? the fact that we love the movies and the 'mind blows' it gives us! The Watchowski brothers will live up to our expectations and we will continue to be the Hardcore Matrix fans we have been since the first movie.
Neo said that there was something wrong, and he could feel the machines.

There are two ways to look at Neo's situation and the reality of Zion.
One way of looking at it, it that Zion is "in" the Matrix, and Neo realizes this, allowing him to use his "powers" at the end of the movie, since he is still in the Matrix. ****OR***** Neo's "powers" extend beyond the Matrix, allowing him to use them at the end of M2, therebye making Zion real. If someone can prove or ddisprove either of these opinions please reply

There are two ways to look at Neo's situation and the reality of Zion.
One way of looking at it, it that Zion is "in" the Matrix, and Neo realizes this, allowing him to use his "powers" at the end of the movie, since he is still in the Matrix. ****OR***** Neo's "powers" extend beyond the Matrix, allowing him to use them at the end of M2, therebye making Zion real. If someone can prove or ddisprove either of these opinions please reply

dis aint generally 4 i jus cant belive this is still up i was lookin back @ sme of my post omg lol what i really cant belive is that i renbered my password jus hope all my old m8's r still on

you theory is already proven int he factit's how he learned kung fu - he had it uploaded. it's how trinity learned to fly a helicopter.

why can neo suddenly controlt he robots? something had changed.

it was choice. he did soemthing that wasnt suppose to happen he saved trinity.

In the first one he destroyed agent smith.

IS choice an illusion to make us think we have control of our lives....by saving trinity he proved it wasnt. i think lol

no. we control choice meerly you posting that post has proven that choice exists and that we control it. you didn't have to post it but you did it was your choice, your control, it was in your power.

There are two ways to look at Neo's situation and the reality of Zion.
One way of looking at it, it that Zion is "in" the Matrix, and Neo realizes this, allowing him to use his "powers" at the end of the movie, since he is still in the Matrix. ****OR***** Neo's "powers" extend beyond the Matrix, allowing him to use them at the end of M2, therebye making Zion real. If someone can prove or ddisprove either of these opinions please reply

Zion is not in the matrix did you not see the movie
zion is the last REAL human city meaning it is not in the matrix(a program created to control humans).
also i believe that neo can disable the machines because he has entered the source and can manipulate all electricity. This is to do with the fact that he can enter the matrix he is half machine the plugs on his arms prove that aswell.

Please feel free to use the EDIT button ph34r3d it is... your choice ;)