Maybe!! i have some answers for the theory of the matrix in the matrix

I agree with the theory of the matrix within the matrix and I have something extra to say that might give an answer!!

Regarding the Coma.. Neo and Smith are in a Coma maybe because they ARE in the real world!! Think about it!! When Smith says to Neo " We are not free!!" he knows the answer.. The matrix within the matrix.. And because of that when Smith in the Zion Matrix world Died (Because of the failure to attack the machines) he knows (as Neo knew in the first Matrix Movie - After Being killed by the agents ) that nothing is real so you don't die .. Do you guys understand? this is just a maybe...

Regarding the other point so many people ask " Why the destruction of Zion" the answer maybe is more simple then Coma question!!
Think. Neo has been developing (in each movie minute that goes by) an extra power.. Why suddenly the interest (after 6 months) in Zion? In Neo? .. Because his powers are growing stronger.. So the next step? Destroy Zion and Make Neo choose between Zion (27 people) or Trinity? He did the correct choice and the Matrix couldn’t stop him from developing the extra power to reach the next level!! The power to control and feel the Matrix within the matrix!!
The destruction of Zion was to stop Neo getting to the next level of power and recognizing the "new" matrix, the machines failed and now he fells exactly what he fells in the first matrix, it's all unreal!


If I can remember something else I’ll tell you, the coma answer might not be correct but the matrix within the matrix and the next level of power in Neo is my answer.

Big Kiss,

Vanessa - feel free to email me so we can discuss all theories

i don't unserstand your coma theory.

when the machines failed, why are they still attacking zion in revolution?

I have just realized the same you did. I totally agree with you. Neo woke from the second Matrix, that is why he is in coma.

gunslinger- it's The Matrix Revolutions buddy, not The Matrix Revolution

holy crap! i totally agree with you!@ that makes so much freakin sense, just like in the first one, hes in a coma, of course!

A lot of people make very good points about the M in a M solution of the trilogy. I personally don't want it to be true. I'm not saying that they are not good arguments or points, I'm saying that I don't want it to end that way. If Zion is in another Matrix then humans will never be able to escape the Matrix. What kinda solution is that. The whole point of the trilogy was that Neo was supposed to free the human race from the salvery of the machines, well it's not possible. Seems like a pretty lame ending to what has been a superb series so far.

if you don't take this out of context you'll find that he's also talking about how although he is now a renegade, he is still bound by purpose ergo neither of them are free.

It will be funny if NEo wakes up and all of this was a dream and he just wakes up from the bed

lol

Neo has become the one of the ones and so i think, that when he wakes up from the coma he will now all the answers to what is happening due to stopping the AI robots he will go to the alimate level. But there has to be a real world or else they wouldnt be there in the first place.

As far as it goes all we know that Neo could be going to a journey where it has not be seen for a long time.

noone is saying that there is no real world. just that what they think is a real world isn't. a safety for the machines

Now i believe that Neo is trapped between worlds! maybe his mind is still in the matrix and was captured by Mergovian

It's not really part of the MIAM theory, but has anyone else noticed in M2 that the Zion control lady that talks to Link is shown in a scene later on 'asleep' in a chair setup like as if she was in the Matrix. And at the same time you can hear her voice talking.....

I like the idea of Neo waking up from a 2nd matrix (Zion world) and ending up in a coma, that would be kinda freaky... I'd sure like to know what that world would look like. Maybe another jump in time, where the real time is like 3000 or so...
The directors would choose not to show any images of that new world; offcourse, they don't want people to know yet... omg, they are the controllers :o

I think the Zion control lady is plugged into Zion's main frame computer and for some reason it is only from there or safer for her to guide incoming/outgonig traffic through Zion.

Those are just my ideas of course!

Originally posted by ncc74565neo1
It will be funny if NEo wakes up and all of this was a dream and he just wakes up from the bed

lol

No, it wouldn't be funny... it would be exceedingly pants. 8)

C@andy Fl!p, you are totally right. If the whole triology was just Neo's dream, that would be the worst possible, and completely disappointing ending ever.

Glad you agree mate 8)

not to confuse anybody, but i have a different theory. i dont know if anyone brought this up, but i think that the matrix is based on a building. the first level is where mr. anderson was born, what we consider the real world, the second level is where zion is, and the third level is where the REAL real world is, that is if there is a third level. i dont know if anyone caught the part when the chinesse dude said that the matrix was like a building and the hallway they used to get to the oricle... i dont know if i missheard it, but that's what it sounded like. and the reason why he passed out is because in the matrix, there was telepathy power and phsycic powers built into the matrix, in the real world he had to use his own brain power.

dont know if that will confuse you at all... just a thought.

also, another thing is, how many matrixs are they going to make. they have to have a kid, that kid has to kick agent's ass and the legacy would continue but the question is...when will it end, like when centinals kill neo and zion and the son. that will be cool and kick ass when the two go in as a team, that will be phsyco!

are you talking about the kid that got saved in the animatrix, or the one trin and neo are going to have? if you're talking about their baby, then there's not way he should be able to go into the matrix. he'll have been born in the 'real' world so he will have no holes.

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It's not really part of the MIAM theory, but has anyone else noticed in M2 that the Zion control lady that talks to Link is shown in a scene later on 'asleep' in a chair setup like as if she was in the Matrix. And at the same time you can hear her voice talking....."



I think the reason why you see that is because they are in a program .. like the program fight Neo experienced or where Morpheus explained him inM1 the real world.. That is why they are talking and connected .. not to the matrix but to a program, there is a diferece

How do we define real?

I don't like the theory of a matrix within the matrix. I like to think that Neo notice that the machines only exist if we think they exist, just like God. God exist because we want it to exist, so are the machines in the real world.

The machines depend on us to exist, so if you notice that, you can cut them out. That happend inside the matrix, and it happens outside it.

But why Neo felt in a coma? Just like in the first movie, when he did not accept the truth and vomit, he did not accept it outside. Is the same with us, when someone tells you that you are being exploited in your job, and that there is a dominant class using us, we don't accept it.

Do you think freedom is going for shopping?
Why corporations rule the world? Because we allowed them to do it!

Well, I like to think that Neo became the New Human, because that what it takes to beat the system, just like Che Guevara proposed: "The New Man"
And Neo became so powerful that the movie will turn from science fiction to fantasy. Something Epic, because epic is the struggle of the working class.

If it is not the way I am telling here, well, it will be interesting too. hahahahahaha

LOL :D oh yes!! the machines are stopped because they only exist if we believe they do .. lol .. Just like god!!!

LOLOLOLOL .. Best theory so far!!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

You see?

Some vomit when confronted with the truth, some laugh.

Just kidding!

But Marquesa, I think that God is our creation, and it is meant to explain some existential questions. God, too, is a method created for us, and by us, to believe in the necessity of a ruling state.

Don't laugh, please, because if you believe in God, you believe in repression. The goverment, in a general way, needs you to believe in God, 'cause the state will simulate God action, is a representation in society, of course, in a psico-sociological level. The state, the same as religion, try to stablish an order by law. The state try to mimic the father figure of God, so you can obey it. Understand?

The machines, in Matrix, were our creation, so may be, Neo make a simbolic connection with them. Remember, the movie is a representation, a performance of metaphor and analogy using cinema language. That makes me think of God, but from my atheist point of view.

Machines mean the system, the social system, and God, means rules, moral and spiritual rules, and both of them have to be abolish.:)

But, as I said before, I dont like the theory of a matrix within the matrix, so I think on something that resembles what is happening in the movie, and that is in our real lifes, so I remember God. It was an association. Excuse me if I try.

To finish, I think that Neo stop believing in the machines outside the matrix, just the way he stop believing in the virtual reallity of the matrix (that way he could stop the bullets). And, in our world, not in the movie, our real world, when you stop believing in things like religion, or God, or even in the necessity of a ruling state, we can do what Neo did, of course, in a metaphorical way.

What do you think?

im not saying i believe it, but i heard a theory where the whole thing turns out to be a videogame on somebodies computer screen

just think about how you would feel to watch this epic, amazing trilogy come down to a bored looking keanu reeves playing a game in his cubicle

Texabara sorry if I offended you with my laughter.. Guess yesterday I wasn’t being very sensitive :( I apologize

Regarding you theory.. Well.. There are some interesting points! But have you seen the animatrix? These machines are controlled by a bigger organism with AI and they represent a different specie, even if they are machines! Much like in the wild life and contact with other "animals" they are real and you can't stop believing in Sharks or bears just because you want to or you haven't seen one yet, you know they exist and if you don't that doesn’t erase their existence! This is Much like "Socrates and his disciples" if you can't see something does it mean that it doesn’t exist?

Hi everybody!

Don't worry marquesa, you don't have to apologize. I didn't take your laugh wrong. It only triggers a respond.

Well, I think that you have notice that I don't accept the matrix within the matrix theory, 'cause I don't like it. It sounds with logic, but I don't accept it.

About the animatrix, I think they are only fullfilling the need of many of us to see the war before the Movie takes place. They only serves to make the story...how can I said it? So we can believe it! How many say here: "It is part of the plot" But they (animatrix) don't explain, they only show, or describes what was already told to Neo by Morpheus, wich is what every living human in Zion believes. Ha! Is the same with us! We believe in history, but it is only the interpretation of historians. Everything is a discourse! There is no Truth! Like there is no spoon!

I was discussing about the symbolical meaning of the movie and trying to use it for my life and believes, and, at the same time, using that theory to counter-attack the matrix within the matrix theory. It sounds crazy, but we are talking about art. Some times, art don't follow a logical path.

Remember, the bears and sharks exist without us, but god and the state are our creations...just like the machines!

Well, I am only resisting the logical theory! To hell with me! hahahahahahahahahahaha

Sounds good, but i would i thought neo's body would have disapeared when he moved out of the zion matix, kinda like it does when peeps move from the matrix to zion, but argueing this, i supose your body reamains in the matrix when u die in zion, kinda like in matrix 1 when cypher unplugged swich and the others, they died in zion but there bodies still remained, any ideas guys?

correct me if I'm wrong, I got a transcript of reloaded and they never say that the slaughter was done to the people in Zion,

Mauser/Colt: 5 ships were instantly down.
Colt/Mauser: When the machines broke through, it wasn't a battle, it was a slaughter.
Link: Was it an accident, some sort of malfunction?
Colt/Mauser: No one knows.
Roland: Someone does.
Morpheus: Who?
Roland: Once the machines were done with us, they started digging again. We made a quick pass to look for survivors.

I haven't see the movie again to validate this part of the script but remember that Bain was part of a crew that surely went to battle. So it could be that the destruction of Zion hasn't happend yet.

Leo_One: So you are saying that they were talking about the battle on the intersection in the sewer? The machines haven't get into Zion yet?

Here is the proof, Neo can see the code of the Matrix when he is inside of it. If the real world was another Matrix it would be constructed by the same type of code and he would be able to see it. Obviously he would have said something by now if he saw the code in Zion, but he hasn't, why? because there is no matrix in a matrix.

The animatrix actually gives us something new .. they show us the bad side of the human mind and the "witch hunt" to the machines.

Man almost got what they created