Are we living in a Matrix ??

are we living in a Matrix , wether your opinion is Yes/No what proof is your answer based on ??

Yes, we are indeed within a Matrix. Although it is not as tangible as the Matrix in the film, we live within a structure and false reality. The movie is definitely a metaphor for our own reality.

Isn't it obvious?

you know how morpheus used the word construct?

he got that from Kant, who was talking about the experiential world at the time.

our experiences are constructs, imagery, color, shapes, sounds, dimension, location. these are all values assigned to the objects around us.

but if you are asking if machines are using us as batteries, I'd have to say I don't believe that.

I remembered what Morpheus said to Neo, emotions and feelings are electric signals interpreted by our brain.

However on what Basis have you guys accepted/rejected this thought do u guys have any proof ??

That's what I am aiming at: no proof can confirm this story. maybe what we need is a philosopher...

lol lobby, grow a brain and find a dictionary.

I think it could be either. The reason for my thinking is that we don't have proof that there is a Matrix but then again we don't have proof that there isn't a Matrix.

Originally posted by Neo6th
I think it could be either. The reason for my thinking is that we don't have proof that there is a Matrix but then again we don't have proof that there isn't a Matrix.

she speaks the truth...

Its a movie...Next thing you know people will start to think Star Trek is real Im not saying its a bad movie Im just saying that there is no such thing as the Matrix but if you want to imagine that there is go ahead Im just not sure if you guys are serious aabout thinking that its real

i think the matrix is real. not in a physical world, but in a spiritual one...

The metaphor to the Matrix is real but the Matrix itself is not

good point

or nonsense...

we'll see

This is a mindtrap. You need to get a grip. Yes, we have such things as miracles that defy human logic, poltergeists that haunt houses, unexplained UFO's, etc. But it doesn't mean we're living in a Matrix because the movies say so.

On several occasions I've ran into folks who try to make a valid point in a debate by saying something happened a certain way in a movie which meant it had to be true in real life. This is fantasy gone wild. Y'all need to get a grip. Don't let others shape your view of life so easily.

Quite agreed

we live within a structure and false reality. I would say this view is consistent with the opinions of people who have not been kicked around in life yet. The false reality is the world that so many teens are living in thinking there actions have no consequences. I love the words spoken by Maximus in the movie Gladiator,"What you do here in life echoes through eternity."

I agree

hey hey hey...
I was posting a theoritical thread....

for those of you who start cursing around and saying "Oh, i don't believe you ppl believe in this sh*t"

I tell them, why not???
why, we are not living in a matrix, but then again , are we living in a matrix" ???

this is a simple question, that even philosophers, can't answer, a question about our own existence...

Neo6th that's exactly what i am saying.

I am not saying that Werewolves, Vampires are a prooves that the matrix exists just because they were mentioned in the movie.

I am saying if we were in a matrix like environment, can we proove it...

can we proove that we are free, and we have this gift that's called: Free Will....

so Mr. IamMorpheus, take it easy next time on your straight but narrow minded quotes and use that fat of yours for a change...

Today nearly everyone is familiar with holograms, three-dimensional images projected into space with the aid of a laser. Now, two of the world's most eminent thinkers -- University of London physicist David Bohm, a former protege of Einstein's and one of the world's most respected quantum physicists, and Stanford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram, one of the architects of our modern understanding of the brain -- believe that the universe itself may be a giant hologram, quite literally a kind of image or construct created, at least in part, by the human mind. This remarkable new way of looking at the universe explains not only many of the unsolved puzzles of physics, but also such mysterious occurrences as telepathy, out-of-body and near-death experiences, "lucid" dreams, and even religious and mystical experiences such as feelings of cosmic unity and miraculous healings.

http://www.insight-books.com/books/0060922583wb.htm

I believe we all contribute to our own understanding of the world in a large way. Traumatic experiences can be deleted from the mind if we wish not to recall the event. And as for the univers, how many people have acctually seen the univers. What is beyond the universe. And then again, what is beyond the matrix?:confused:

i agree with iammorpheus

ask yourself this...


if the wachowski's never wrote the matrix, would you believe there was one? probably not.

If the first movie sucked beyond belief, would you believe there is one? prob not.

No we don't live in a Matrix however I myself beleive that the mind is the most powerful thing in the world. Your mind can alter reality and matter. Mind over matter. But what keeps us from doing this is the doubt. Their is always doubt that you can't do something. If I wanted to move a truck using my mind I could but of course their is still that doubt in the back of my head that keeps me from doing this. When we have preminisions (sp) that means 2 minds are very closely linked. Or that out of nowhere you just know something is going to happen because of the type of person you are and how much power your mind has. Psychics have a great mind power. This is how the tell the future. But then again, it's all about choice. And yes I have had preminsions and they have all come true so far. I had this one preminition that Diabetes will be cured VERY soon and that we will discover another form of life around 2016. That's my opinion and please don't flame me but freely discuss it and disagree with it :)

The Matrix is in a Movie for gods sakes! Its NOT real life!

Technically we are in the matrix of our own mind. We are trapped by our 5 senses that only give us a remote ammount of material to sense. We only see very little, when the truth is behind what we see. We cant sense the truth, we cant smell, taste, feel, or touch the truth of where,what, and why we live. And its all because we are trapped in the matrix of our limited senses.

It may not be real life, but it represents what real life could be. There's no supporting evidence for or against a 'real' Matrix, so the best we can do is speculate. It would make sense that we create our own Matrix, a physical world to contain what we really are and that our senses bind us to it, so...It's possible. Definitely possible.

hehe, IamMorpheus is back with his ultimate explanation :p

First of all I am not saying (once again) that we are living in a matrix but then again I am not saying that we are not living in one.

The matrix (in the movie) is a purpose to keep mankind in a "coma" and the machines (figures of authority) in control.

Real Life Translation: we are governed by our way of life by our desire and our fears. we are not totally free, just as flanish said "the matrix is real. not in a physical world, but in a spiritual one"

The issue of existence is as old as time, even before the wachowski brothers made the movie. Cogito Definition: "I think, then I am"...

well i guess the only people who can shed some light upon this are the dead, but none have ever returned to tell the story...

Technically we are in the matrix of our own mind. We are trapped by our 5 senses that only give us a remote ammount of material to sense. We only see very little, when the truth is behind what we see. We cant sense the truth, we cant smell, taste, feel, or touch the truth of where,what, and why we live. And its all because we are trapped in the matrix of our limited senses.

*blinks*

hehe, IamMorpheus is back with his ultimate explanation

I have fans!!! lol jk jk

Yes my Ultimate Explanation :D

i think we are within a "matrix". some more so than others. whether it be a mental matrix or a physical matrix, something that cocntains us or holds us back

i think we are within a "matrix". some more so than others. whether it be a mental matrix or a physical matrix, something that cocntains us or holds us back

I think its a movie

the question you asked CycLonE, can't be answered yet. Maybe in the next generation, maybe another generation? No one knows. However, I remember reading an article saying that we're only using 5% of our brain power, probably noone knows what's the 95% do for us...

Yes normal humans use 5% of our brain but you know who uses 100%? The looney phyics....next topic of discussion What a great Person Sylvia Brown is...:rolleyes:

lol yea, I agree with you IamMorpheus that all these theories seem crazy...

However, up till now, no living beings can prove and confirm the existence of human being and other things. The two famous theories from Scientific perspective is that of Charles Darwin's Evolution and Religious perspective that of God made human...

Here's an interesting link (http://www.simulation-argument.com/matrix.html) depicting the possibility that we're indeed living in simulation.

Bear in mind that this is just a theory as I said before, no living beings able to confirm the existence of us...

I agree with the Darwin Theory but my god a Matrix per se of things...:rolleyes: And if there is such thing as the Matrix per se of things then I think the Wach bros are the Arcs....

exactly as i said before, it's a question as old as time, and the movie the Matrix has addressed these points without answering them...

I read an article on this subject by a professor at Oxford University and what I gained from that is that it is highly possible we are living a 'Matrix' style life but that doesn't help us determine if we are. (personally, I'm not willing to spend my life trying to find out, I'd rather just get on with it). If I do get detatched from the Matrix and get to learn how to fly and stuff, I'll try to let you guys know.

no one can say that we live in the matrix or not until someone can bring reall proof but people can hav there own beliefs such as beliefs about jesus !until the day we see people dodging bullets, people flying around the skys at night and mass armys of agents smith's we can let people belive what they want

Please...

(in the tone said by the Architect)

If you're going to say 'please' in the tone of the architect then we better have a debate about what you actually mean by that!

Im agreeing with JakeNewman for once *gasp* what is your debate?

IamMorpheus If you don't want to caring on a good discussion here and just fuel other people and try and get a flame war started go somewhre else and stop trying to pump your post count... you already stated your beliefs... we understand and that is your free will thank you much goodbye!

Umm no im not going to leave and Im not pumping up my post count I dont care hoe many posts I have IM just saying to JakeNewman that I agree with him because we dont usually get along

Originally posted by neoanomaly
i agree with iammorpheus

ask yourself this...


if the wachowski's never wrote the matrix, would you believe there was one? probably not.

If the first movie sucked beyond belief, would you believe there is one? prob not.

Yes i would believe, not that i think we're batteries 4 machina :) but weather or not the matrix was created i still would have gotten in to the music of rage against the machina
"some of those at work forces, are the satin that burns crosses." from 1 of they're songs.
Remember at the very begining of matrix2 when they show the uh.... "inner workings of the matrix, like the gears of green symbols turning. Then you see a clock in\out box and a member of the work force using it. well what im saying is that modern society as a whole and the way humans live day in day out is in my opinoin THE matrix

Are we in the Matrix? Well I guess some would say yes and others no, but the fact remains..... What is the matrix to you? Some might view it as like it was on the movie others say there isn't one. ME? Well I guess the matrix is what you make it.

yes we are in the matrix because i said so

Cloud Strife -- i've been looking for you. four long years. you thought you could just do that to my wife and get away with it. i'm coming for you. c ya soon

well i dont regret it

been wondering where your dog is? i've got her right here. i've got a gun to her head. i'll kill the dumb animal.

go ahead he is brain dead anyways

i dont care about him

Originally posted by CloudStrife
go ahead he is brain dead anyways


urs is a he? who's dog is this then?

looks like 5 more years for u

well it doesnt matter. i know who you are. i know where you are. you can run, but you cant hide. i've the place surrounded. and oh yea, i've got ur girlfriend right here. she says she loves you. haha. im on your trail.

ur just jealous because your wife left u for me

how many girlfriends you got?

none of your ahh buisness

i am coming for u

i thikn The Matrix and The Matrix: Reloaded are movies that you guys are taking waaaaay too far :D

Innocent until proven guilty

Well, thats sounds like a weird thought on The Matrix, but it makes sense if you "roughly" translate it from my native language:

Innocent until ELSE is proven!

You see, nobody can say TheMatrix is reality, but then again, nobody can say it isn't. I like to think of the Wachowski (spl?) Brothers as "messengers".

Originally posted by neoanomaly
If the wachowski's never wrote the matrix, would you believe there was one? probably not

Right, but even though we wouldn't think so, there could still be, right? Just because there's something we don't know doesn't mean it can't be true. Scientists have found out there's more to the world than we know of...

I don't say I think The Matrix is reality, but still, how can I say it isn't? I know it's a movie, but if you believe in fate, it could be a message from fate himself (or herself, for that matter)!

With that said, I think this discussion can go on forever! (Or until someone dies, finds out all there is to know about life, then returns to this board, which I doubt will happen in my lifetime...)

Originally posted by -T-I-M-
i thikn The Matrix and The Matrix: Reloaded are movies that you guys are taking waaaaay too far :D

he started it

you started it with my wife, ******

i started what?

cloudstrife started it

Originally posted by -T-I-M-
i started what?

flanish started it

i mean yeah

Originally posted by flanish
you started it with my wife, ******


^cloudstrife started it^

ok i have my shotgun we can finish this right now

ohhhh lol

and your wife is not that great

i have like ten guns in this house

besides, michael will come after you too

im so scared i have ummm a ummm mark will kill ya

In society today we share similar fundamentals, such as power among elevated hierarchical figures. These figures can authorise drastic change to them below themselves. This structure suppresses and obstructs the growth of individuality. But through progressed thinking we all have it in our nature to grasp the will to change a situation to a desired choice through action or speech. To believe in yourself will see the next step possible all the time refreshing a personnel attribute and interpretation of “power”. Power over ones self is far greater than power over others….
:confused:

as my signiture clearly states

right sure

its true

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wow, nathan, finally got ur avatar

sure

this is like asking your self if you believe in God(or Allah)
I believe but we may never know and i dont believe we live in a matrix but if we are we may never know!!

im not really sure,
but there definately seems to be a spiritual matrix

You people are messed up...

we'll see

hey people,
i guess we'll never now will we ??

we live the matrix every nite in our sleep when we dream it just occured to me yesterday because we can do basically anything in our dreams just like the matrix such as fly and do martial arts

the greatest thing i ever did in a dream was become spiderman -- but dont get me wrong it was FUN to swing through streets and stuff

we live the matrix every nite in our sleep when we dream it just occured to me yesterday because we can do basically anything in our dreams just like the matrix such as fly and do martial arts


Erm...If you say so...

Did everyone pass this post? I would say this is some serious proof of a Matrix like existence.

Read the book and get some insight.

OR NOT

Originally posted by The One V6.0
Today nearly everyone is familiar with holograms, three-dimensional images projected into space with the aid of a laser. Now, two of the world's most eminent thinkers -- University of London physicist David Bohm, a former protege of Einstein's and one of the world's most respected quantum physicists, and Stanford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram, one of the architects of our modern understanding of the brain -- believe that the universe itself may be a giant hologram, quite literally a kind of image or construct created, at least in part, by the human mind. This remarkable new way of looking at the universe explains not only many of the unsolved puzzles of physics, but also such mysterious occurrences as telepathy, out-of-body and near-death experiences, "lucid" dreams, and even religious and mystical experiences such as feelings of cosmic unity and miraculous healings.

http://www.insight-books.com/books/0060922583wb.htm

I thinkn they are loonies

I read that there are people who thinks that there are 25% (I have no idea where they got this number from) of chances that the Matrix really exists :p ...

Now this is like trying to have a lucid dream (ever heard about it?). You're not aware that you're dreaming until you wake up, so if you wanna know if you're really dreaming you have to question the reality that surrounds you even if it looks too "real". So maybe there is a Matrix in our world,

Want to be sure?

So... just... wake up!!1~

i have no idea why everyone is so certain we live in the matrix. If we did then that would kind of deny god's control over the mankind

There is just as much a 0% chance that there is a real matrix as there is a 100% chance there's a real matrix. The only thing you can say about abstract unverifiable concepts, is that they're abstract and unverifiable.

I like my brain. I think it's very useful. It gives me five sense with which to perceive the world around me, and the processing power to know what the **** to do with myself in it. There may be 87,000 other available senses that I don't have but you know what, since I don't have them, and I have no clue what any of them might be, I really don't miss them if they're out there. I mean hell, I dare anybody to come up with 5 distinct other senses that could exist we don't have, (not just variations of our 5, 5 distinct seperate senses, I doubt anybody'd get past maybe 3)

I think people should define their world by where they are and not where they are not. It's useless conjecturing in the end. While it can be amusing, and makes for entertaining films sometimes, it's still useless conjecturing.

I still think that theres a actual Matrix is ubsurd!

No a Matrix is not real! Just a movie:)

you want to know the truth................. read the Bible

Originally posted by costa D
she speaks the truth...

Im a HE actually if you dont know the sex say their name.

uhh, but your name isn't Neo. choose an original name and I'll call you by it.

To Rodion: “It's still useless conjecturing.” I do not agree with you. Yea it looks like useless conjecturing but if you do not start to think about it you will NEVER find a solution. The best way how don’t do something is to never start. It is highly probable that movie makers wanted to show us the truth. The truth that there is something wrong with this world. Exactly like Neo felt it. He did not know what it was but he was searching for the answers. The movie makers made maaaaany people to think about it and they did a great job because more people try to find a solution the higher probability is that the solution will be found.

To IamMorpheus: I can’t help but you sound just like one of the Agents. They are here to prevent us from thinking about the possibility that matrix really exist. To be convinced that matrix CAN’T be reality is exactly what machines want.


My advice is: do not close your eyes willingly

no, we are not living in a matrix in my opinion.
but we are all intitled to our own opinion so hey
if we were living in amatrix though, would you really want to be 'unpugged'? okay so the whole save the world thing would be cool, but it is just a movie, i agree with the start trek thingy.

Originally posted by planet
To Rodion: “It's still useless conjecturing.” I do not agree with you. Yea it looks like useless conjecturing but if you do not start to think about it you will NEVER find a solution. The best way how don’t do something is to never start. It is highly probable that movie makers wanted to show us the truth. The truth that there is something wrong with this world. Exactly like Neo felt it. He did not know what it was but he was searching for the answers. The movie makers made maaaaany people to think about it and they did a great job because more people try to find a solution the higher probability is that the solution will be found.

To IamMorpheus: I can’t help but you sound just like one of the Agents. They are here to prevent us from thinking about the possibility that matrix really exist. To be convinced that matrix CAN’T be reality is exactly what machines want.


My advice is: do not close your eyes willingly

it's "highly probably" that there is really a matrix? I would LOVE to hear the logic behind that statement. Actually, no I wouldn't, there can't be any logic behind that, just lovely good ol' fasioned delusion. I think you should spend the rest of your days figuring out how to bend a spoon, and on the day you finally get it right, you can come out and prove all us naysayers wrong. That is ofcouse, so long as "the machines" don't get ya.

Well rodion,

I posted this topic to make ppl, think about the matrix issue and wether someone/anyone can proove something/anything.

However, you took this matter way too far, snap out of it man.
"I can’t help but you sound just like one of the Agents"


but it's good some open minded ppl like yourself who are willing to give this thought some consideration instead of denying it and neglecting it....

May the force be with you... ooops wrong quote.

I had a quote from SOMEBODY else in my post that included the whole "you sound like an agent" line. My posts in no way have any content that implies I would think that.

I responded to another thread like this, not about why I thought it could or couldn't be true, but why I thought people start thinking too seriously about that to begin with. Here it is.

As far as the matrix as "a way of life'', the deeper meaning, or "who's to say if what we're living is real?".

I think this attachment comes because we live in a consumer oriented society in which we as individuals are not addressed as much more than spending machines to be advertised to, voting machines to be lied to, and earning machines to be screwing each other over for the biggest piece of the pie. Mass commercialism and materialism strips a sense of individuality away from people and leaves a longing for something that is often hard to describe, often harder to fulfill. The matrix is a flight of fantasy, an escape, and diving into the "is this world real" a source of pacification for this yearning which is essentially for a way to value the self and have the self valued as an individual. Neo's sense that there is something wrong with the world, his finding it in this all too dramatic matter which finds him as an actual important indivitual is an easy fantasty to escape in. The hero is always an easy fantasy to escape in for this among many other reasons.

But that's just what I think. I do like the fantasy, but let's not get carried away with ourselves here. Regardless of the infinite possibilities are lives can take and our minds can project, what we know of our lives is still what will be "real" to us and it is far better to focus on what is real and can be actual than to lose ourselves in the fictionalization of our own lives and importance.

Sorry, just felt like a little philosophy, a matrix board can do that to ya.

I agree with Rodion. But this only shows that our minds are easier to control than we may think...

We are all in some kind of Matrix. Just as we are all in some kind of cyclic ecosystem. Fodder for the next generation of organic beings. We are 99.99% empty space by physics standards. So in some sense, we are not here.

We know reality only by the electrical signals we can receive and interpret. Throughout our universe is dark matter and dark energy. We cannot see it or we cannot feel it. But we can tell it is there by how it affects others around it. Is this the proverbial "other side" so often talked of in mythology and religion. We are likely to never know.

It is quite presumptuous to assume someday we may understand all this. Think of it in simpler terms. We know and have studied water for eons. We can manipulate it into many things and do many things with it. But beyond that, in all the time we have been with it, we cannot make it into anything other than itself of it's temperate cousins (ice, rain, sleet, snow,..).

That is the extent that we are able to wield our great powers we have obtained. When you look at it that way, we are all just a little piece of biology is a much larger eco system. We will never find that door and we will never talk to a creator. We will always be on the other side of the door stuck in the Matrix.

To that end, whether we are in a Matrix or not is mute.