The Twins:Virus, Agents, Other?

I personally beleive the twins are upgraded agents but u are entitaled 2 ur own opinion and id like to hear them-H&h

most reputable spoiler hints I have seen tell me you are wrong, but like you said, you are entitled to your opinion! :)

-WC-

I lyk the idea of the twins bein matrix sentenals!

i think they are people just like neo, they are traveling in the real world and they can enter the matrix too

They're english carpenters who are real twins.

Originally posted by half&half
I personally beleive the twins are upgraded agents but u are entitaled 2 ur own opinion and id like to hear them-H&h I agree they look like upgraded agents except for the dreadlocks.{Mikal}

I have no idea who they are, what they are, or anything about them, but all our questions will be answered in a matter of days.........and they look awesome!yet scary, but still awesome!

Originally posted by Atari
They're english carpenters who are real twins.

Yeah that is true. ;)

thats way different from what ive heard

I'm gonna say that the twins will be a virus to kill neo and the others, but thats just a wild guess

welcome to the real.....................................Really soon

The twins are actually bodygaurds to Merovingian.

Ah Ha!!!!!





Who's that?:p

I think the twins are like neo but sorta agents but I think to much of real Agents so its harder for me to say it cause I know real U.S Agents but yeah WHATEVER I MAKE NO SENSE SORRY!

You don't make sense...........................it's ok...................

There was an ellusion to the fact that merovengian may have been around a while. some of his foreshadowing seems to point out other revelations Neo learns later one. And his 'mistress' also points out that mero keeps some early forms of agents around as guards and for special tasks before pointing out that not many people keep silver bullets in their guns. A werewolf trait I believe.

I think there is perhaps some toying by the creators of the matrix to ellude to a possible 'origin' of the matrix. Perhaps an entertainment medium? The ultimate in virtual reality. And perhaps the twins and the guards and the very 'video game-esc' nature of the matrix spawns from those beginnings.


The Matrix itself presumes to be a mechanism for control of 'real' humans. There are multiple references to it's being rebuilt with 'fallable' circumstances - misery, sufferering, choices and consequences - to make it more 'believable'. This may suggest it's origins were more fantastic and unrealistic. Like a advance version of Quake XXVII and the 'twins' are just a remnant of those early beginnings.

KL

Interesting post there, KL. Would someone be so kind as to expand on this "mero" character, as I seem to know nothing about him/her. Thanks.

mero is a player in the second movie. I tried not to go into too much detail except that which was demanded by this thread as it is relevent to the new film.

His role kinda pokes out as the typical 'knowledge broker' seen in so many other movies. Although in the grander scheme of the Matrix, his own emphasis on causality may make him even more typical than even I assume.

What is relevant to this threat - at least as far as my theory was concerned - is that his mistress points out he keeps around some older 'programs' for specific tasks. Mainly as guards or for their unique abilities which apparently don't sync with those standard to the current matrix.

This is what makes me suggest that this may in fact also be an origin for the twins. Some remnant from some fantasy oriented matrix or even a pre-matrix simulation such as a virtual reality video game. Purely speculation on my part mind you... the whole 'werewolf' suggestion of using silver bullets to kill one of the 'old programs' made me ponder this possibility.

I believe she said "He keeps them around because they are hard to kill. After all, how many people do you know who keep silver bullets in their gun?" (or at least something like that)

KL

They could be agent or an old program from the original Matrix, by original i mean the one that was made but then replaced by the current one, they only mention it in The Matrix when Morpheus is explaining what the Matrix is to Neo.

The oracle told neo that whenever you hear stories about ghosts, aliens, etc. they are usally old misbehaving programs. These two certainly seem to fit the bill.

Merovingian is a programne in the Matrix and that's all I am saying because I don't want to wreck it for the ppl who haven't seen it yet.;)

i m gonna tell u that that mero guy(i saw the movie last night so i no but evbody who hasnt seen i suggest u dont read the rest of this post)is really a collector of exiles or programs who didn't perform their specified tasks so therefore the keymaker is an exile also along w/ the twins so they r no where near improved agents...in fact they r very much weaker:)

They don't seem to be weaker than the agents. In fact, it seems they've learned to break rules and are stronger than the agents. I've yet to see an agent fly through the floor or a wall.

The twins, just like the rest of Merovingian's bodyguards, are older programs from previous matrices. Merovingian actually has lasted thru multiple matrices b4 neo. He tells neo "your predecessors had more respect" And "I survived those b4 you, I will survive you too". His bodygaurds were bad guys from previous matrices, not necessarily agents, who were powerful and hard to defeat.

Mero wrote the programs, (the twins) and they did not seem to be connect to or even concerned with what the agents were doing. They had they're own agenda. They mostly served as bodyguards to mero, who was also a rogue program. Kinda like when mob bosses have a lot of muscle hanging around, ya know.

twins are kind of like agents, they are the new improved kind, but they do not work the same way the actual agents work. the twins work for that french guy, but the french guy works for the main matrix and he doesn't even know that, just like the one was suppose to take 20 people and make new zion.

The twins are not upgraded agents. They are simply two brand new computer programs. Designed for one purpose to kill and or capture our heros,.

what aboute the twins? who are them? *Haven´t seen the movie*

Originally posted by Dadumafugu
They don't seem to be weaker than the agents. In fact, it seems they've learned to break rules and are stronger than the agents. I've yet to see an agent fly through the floor or a wall.

Originally posted by SidVicous
The twins are not upgraded agents. They are simply two brand new computer programs. Designed for one purpose to kill and or capture our heros,.

Originally posted by aw-xisal
twins are kind of like agents, they are the new improved kin

[QUOTE]Originally posted by scrappy
Mero wrote the programs, (the twins)


I don't agree with any of these. I do agree with some of the conclusions they come to afterward, but for different reasons. As stated above, Persephone is the one that tells us they are from early versions of the Matrix and that the Merovengian keeps them around to do his bidding because they are hard to kill. i.e. they follow different 'rule's than the current agents.

They are more powerful in some ways because they aren't subject to the same rules as the people and the agents in the Matrix. The twins can become intangible like a ghost - but at the same time when they do so, their weapons (his straight razor) is also intangible and can't cut someone in the matrix.
She also commented that the two in the mountain residence were useful because they could only be killed by 'silver bullets' (werewolves?).
Couple this with the oracles comments about ghosts and vampires and it is obvious they are more than likely 'old' programs - not necessarily 'more powerful' - just 'different' powerful.

I still can't help but think if the twins act like ghosts and the guards were like werewolves that they are products of a bygone era of the machines. Perhaps when the machines still served man before the days of the AI consciousness - parts of some Sega supersystem shoot-em up....

KL

Its quite obvious that the Twins are "exiles" doing the french dudies biz for him. They kinda look like Banshees to me when they go into "ghost form" i think that french guy took them under his wing and put them 2 good use instead of scaring the living crap out of people.

I too believe the twins are evolved agents.

Very interesting conclusions, all. Now all we have to do is come to a unanimous conclusion:)

more about his other exiles bsides the twins...i have the enter the matrix game and it states that silver bullets and wooden stakes disrupt their codes in the matrix therefore killing them.they have the same principles as werewolves and vampires but so do the twins but the twins r the strongest bcuz of experience i guess and the other exiles r old old programs that defied their orders and r now merovingian bodyguards.************now lets talk about the agents vs. twins issue************ true twins have advantages in some areas but more so w/ agents. twins r able to heal wen bcuming intangible but cannot use any other solidic weapons.agents can't heal but have immense speed strength marksmanship and fighting ability wen twins do not. plus if the twins lose a fight they simply r deleted but agents can be warped into other civilian plugged bodies.so infinitely agents would eliminate twins but their is 1 exception to that....agents can b deleted but only by disrupting and/or destroying their codes just like neo did.but again none other person on the nebudchanezzer or logos' or any other ship from zions army r able to brake every rule to their desire like neo can.

If the twins were agents in another matrix,
they too would hav to obey the rules of the Matrix, as Smith once did.

Notice that they now do not seem to obey the laws of this version of the Matrix.

Perhaps in the previous Matrixes, the laws of physics are different, which is an idea i have seen explored also on this site.

They hail from an earlier version of the Matrix, which may represent one of the era's of mankind.

They are old programs from an older version of the Matrix. The French guy explained older programs were harder to kill.

he never said they were harder to kill...they're actually easier.wat he said was that they're useful to keep around bcuz their code has different weaknesses...thats y they have the properties of ghosts,vampires, and werewolves.at the time they were created obviously their designers thought it most useful to give them 1 way to die,by wooden stake or silver bullets or watever.in doing that they had created the myths of vampires werewolves etc.then,wen the designer of the "new" agents created the newest version the old 1's were coldproduct thrown out.so merovingian took them in and put them to work as bodyguards.in a way they r stronger but w/ advances on the ships of the rebels like ways to drop any items into the matrix on free will in specific locations made them weaker bcuz wooden stakes would b easier to find and so on.at the same time though the new agents(current agents) were also advanced.since they cannot b killed by specific objects they r harder to kill.the only way to kill an agent is too get him to disobey and deleted or too manipulate his code by breaking rules urself. on the other hand the older programs r not as fast or strong as the newer agents.and i think it is easier to hack and manipulate their codes in the matrix.

The twins and the agents are two totally different things. The agents are the equivalent of police and the twins are the equivalent of a bunch of gangsters.

you are all wrong. The twins are a program created by thet french guy to protect him. The new agent smith is set free so instesd of being a program he is more of a virus now cos he can make his kind spread(copy himself) listen to reloaded proply.

I agree that they maybe and upgraded agent, but ive also heard the idea that they are a virus as well, so ill leave it at that

I dont think they are agents because when a agent was on top of their car, the twin shot at him.

the twins were not created 4 merovingian.they were defective programs.they r not upgraded agents either.they were never agents either.they r not equivalent of mobsters bcuz they r nuetral.agents r definitely not cops either.i've seen the movie how many times i have to say. u people r all wrong.

lol ZionSoldier is the one the only that understands the movie, lol

you know why the agents are called the agents? because they are the agents of the matrix, so they are kind of like police or FBI or CIA or whatever.

you really think that we are all wrong and you are right? than may be you'll explain the whole movie to us.


the twins are not agents, i agree, but i used the term that they are upgrated agents because they work for some guy and just follow the orders just like the agents do. and agents do follow orders, they were ordered to catch morpheus trinity etc. and they are following that order.

thx 4 agreeing.i was getting a little annoyed.yea sure i'll explain the whole movie if u all pay $300 pay-pal to P.O Box.....lol

Originally posted by Dadumafugu
The oracle told neo that whenever you hear stories about ghosts, aliens, etc. they are usally old misbehaving programs. These two certainly seem to fit the bill.

Excactly .. They are ghosts. Didn't u guys see the movie :P

Originally posted by syphon
you are all wrong. The twins are a program created by thet french guy to protect him. The new agent smith is set free so instesd of being a program he is more of a virus now cos he can make his kind spread(copy himself) listen to reloaded proply.

NO, your wrong. The twins are not created by the french guy..

The Twins are some old Program from the Early days of the Matrix. Which means that they one time guarded/ran a part of what we would call everyday life. When the Twins were replaced they went to the French guy for protection from the agents, which in turn they protect him. The French guy seems to collect exiles for his own evil uses, ex: The Keymaker.
Thats y the twins are and what they do.

the twins like the keymaker are exiled prgms and the twins r one mind 2 bodies thats wut wuz up with "we are agrovated..." "Yes we are"

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Starseeker
[B]If the twins were agents in another matrix,
they too would hav to obey the rules of the Matrix, as Smith once did.




Given that the rules in a previous matrix were the same as matrix v6.0

finally u guys get wat ive been trying to say all along