The Twins

How cool are the Twins!
I wonder who created their programe? whether it was Merv, or a machine, does anyone know what their original purpose was for?

I think Merv probably wrote that their programe, maybe as a tracer programe, to find other exile programes..

The twins were not created by the Merovingian, I'm pretty sure they were created by the Architect, but were exiled for some reason. Merovingian now uses them as his henchmen, and they tried to recapture the Keymaker when he escaped.

well yea, i no what Merv uses them for, but where do u get the idea that the Architect have created them? he has One purpose, to construct a perfect Matrix, a simple Mathmatitian. I see no evidence as to your theory. I refer ya to my original point.... what was their intented purpose? Who would write such a programe for that purpose,,,,, surely if it is to find exiles....... then Merv benifts from that, so... it would seem plausible that He wrote their programe....? would it not?

The twins came from an earlier version of the matrix..before Neo, and the events in the movies....they were then exiled because they served no purpose in the newer versions of the matrix that the Architect created. The Merovingian saved the twins from being deleted and used them for his own purpose.

The twins came from an earlier version of the matrix..before Neo, and the events in the movies....they were then exiled because they served no purpose in the newer versions of the matrix that the Architect created. The Merovingian saved the twins from being deleted and used them for his own purpose.

Give Splinter a gold sticker. :) Anything beyond this excellent and concise explanation is irrelevant.

Hell yes...Glad to know that I still know a bit about the movies!

hhmm, how strange, no one seems to understand or answer my question?
1) i wonder who created the Twins's programe?
2) i wonder what their original programe was created for

We all know the Merv, traffic's exiles. We all know Merv writes codes. We all know that all of Merv's Henchmen, came from earlier versions, oz of their brutal nature.

My opinion is that I thought it's possible that Merv may have written their programe. I just wanted to hear what other people thought....
Splinter, u thought the Architect wrote their programe yea... Im asking you, why & how, did u come to believe this?

I understood your question just fine, arms. The Architect created EVERYTHING in the matrix, every bit of code, except for the actual humans inserted into it. That was his purpose, to create the matrix and make sure it balanced. So therefore, he created the twins, and every other non-human creature in the matrix. We do not know exactly what the twins were created for, maybe as some form of a mythical creature in a previous matrix. I came to believe/know this by what is said in the movies by the Architect himself. Listening is a beautiful thing.

Now, I've answered this question three times, so If you're still not satisfied, perhaps you are asking the wrong people. Most people on this board would agree with what I just said.

Jeez...if he doesn't get it this time there is either a huge language barrier or a mental one.

Arms, what Splint is trying to tell you is that they were created in one of the seven (?) iterations of the matrix previously.

If Constructs of the Matrix Online are to be taken as Matrix Canon, then I think there is a Construct based on a previous Matrix that is more Medieval Style.

If you remember what the Oracle says in Reloaded, every story of Vampires, Werewolves and Aliens (interestingly two of these are in MXO) are all the system trying to explain things that should not be happening, which in turn is an effort to maintain stability of the Matrix. This being one level of control implies that it is out of the Architect's control, and that these exile programs are elements that become more active (perhaps when The One whas been found), and are one of the things that the reinsertion of the One protocols helps to balance.

Taken to the next level, the Architect knows that the system tries to balance itself, otherwise would not be able to explain it to Neo when they meet. That means the Smith Virus, presumably in some other form, would have propogated in previous versions.
Neo, having to reach the keymaker, who the Merovingian would capture, as a useful tool, would have to go through the process as previous "One"s would have done. Perhaps, it can be said that the Merovingian is another form of control, though, like Smith, he does not realise his purpose, and everything that Merv possesses, and is, is all planned by the Architect.
Therefore, the Twins were coded to assist the Merovingian Program to capture and maintain control of the Keymaker, so that the One at that iteration would discover deeper secrets of the Matrix, and hence, be more willing to save it, to save humanity.

After that digression, we return to the original purpose of the Twins. It is impossible to say what this could have been, without asking Larry and Andy. However, thinking of the abilities they possess, they can move through walls and other items (clipping is turned off hehe), we could imagine that their original purpose could be akin to agents, in different iterations of the Matrix (stealthy assassins that appear everywhere), or perhaps they might be monitoring programs, observing the functionality of other programs.

Regardless, it can be assumed that the Architect created them, or if not they were created in 01, and like Sati and Ramachandra, they adopted forms in the matrix, theirs being ghostlike. Sati had powers related to her parents' function, perhaps the ghostly aspect would be of a virus protection program or maybe another monitoring program.

I know this film too well. And no I dont play MXO. Hope I helped

Titan

And you, good sir, also get a gold sticker!

ah now ya see, there you go "titan" thats what i was looking for peoples opinions. Nice & easy, no insulting or anything like that.
Ive seen thse movies a few times & no matter ( im sure not as many times as u Splinter] how many times i watch it, or how may times people quote the movie to me, I like everyone else have my own opinion, on what it all means, what it's all for & of course i know how many Matrix's there are & have been.
I will say it is My understanding that all the Architect did/does is Balance an equation. 4ever try to write a perfect Martix. The Oricle is forever trying to unbalance it. I see NO evidence as to suggest the Archttect wrote all the programes in the Matrix. I am sure there are Machines & programes writting code & programes & creating things for the Matrix, As is always quoted, the father & mother of the Matrix is the Architect & Oricle,,,,,,, so what ur suggesting is that the Architect wrote EVERY single programe & the Oricle as its Mother didnt write any??????? hhmmmm That makes no sense to me.
I made a simple statement saying that , I THINK that Merv wrote the Twins code to track down rogue exiles so rhar could capture them & use them, or trade the exiles for more Power,,,,,,,, Dudes if u disagree, then all u needed to say say is,, i disagree, thing X created them for whatever purpose.. if u make a good point, or suggest something i havent thought of then great, this is what forums are about, not a way to bully people.

This is a forum is it not? for people to express there own views & opinions & to get into debates,,,,,,, which is exactly what we've done here, suggesting im silly ,[ i no u didnt use that term] or speaking another language just coz i dont believe what u believe is rather insular. dude if u don't like this topic or find it frustration or silly, there's no law that says u have to participate.

Nice & easy, no insulting or anything like that.
I never insulted you.
I see NO evidence as to suggest the Archttect wrote all the programes in the Matrix.

The evidence that the Architect created everything in the Matrix is in the various lines in the scene where he explains to Neo why he is there, and also the fact that no other character is noted to have the same responsibilities as him.
I am sure there are Machines & programes writting code & programes & creating things for the Matrix, As is always quoted, the father & mother of the Matrix is the Architect & Oricle, so what ur suggesting is that the topic or find it frustration or silly, there's no law that says u have to participate.Architect wrote EVERY single programe & the Oricle as its Mother didnt write any???????
The Oracle is never expressly stated to be the Mother of the Matrix...it is an assumption. Some people believe the Mother of the Matrix to be Persephone, others believe it to be the Oracle because of what is inferred by the Architect. It is never stated that the Oracle wrote programs and code for the Matrix, therefore that is why I and many others think that the Architect wrote every program and code for the matrix, because it was his sole job.
I made a simple statement saying that , I THINK that Merv wrote the Twins code to track down rogue exiles so rhar could capture them & use them, or trade the exiles for more Power,,,,,,,, Dudes if u disagree, then all u needed to say say is,, i disagree, thing X created them for whatever purpose.. if u make a good point, or suggest something i havent thought of then great, this is what forums are about, not a way to bully people.
You actually said "I wonder who created their programe? whether it was Merv, or a machine, does anyone know what their original purpose was for?". So I answered your question. You didn't state that that was what you thought. And again, I didn't bully you.
This is a forum is it not? for people to express there own views & opinions & to get into debates,,,,,,, which is exactly what we've done here, suggesting im silly ,[ i no u didnt use that term] or speaking another language just coz i dont believe what u believe is rather insular. dude if u don't like this topic or find it frustration or silly, there's no law that says u have to participate.
Where did we speak in another language? And I never called you silly or anything similar. And please, don't call call me insular...I didn't get to the position of being a Moderator here by being narrow minded. I think it is you who is being narrow minded because you aren't considering what we are all saying in reply to your topic, you are just saying we are wrong and not listening. And also, just as a fellow forum user, posts are easier to understand when grammar and spelling are used correctly. I am not saying this to be mean, I am just saying this out of courtesy and before other members of this forum try and tear you a new one.

Arms, Just who are you on about? If you are speaking to me or Splinter, save the California...dude speak please. We are both female and you are from London. Also, Splinter answered your question three times with her opinion, so stop whining. She was debating with you but just got a bit annoyed when you were not understanding her opinion and that she HAD answered you. You kept throwing accusation to her that she had not. Btw...you insulted as well so don't act all innocent. If you want to debate then fine. That is what they did so take it or leave it, but don't come in here whining with an attitude as if we do not know what a forum is for. This thread has been long played out and we have been here long before you and know exactly what a forum is for.

Have fun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architect_%28The_Matrix%29)

Take it easy arms. No one is trying to insult you. Most of the forum's members here have been having these discussions for the past three years. Many of us are at the point where we shared our opinions so many times that now we are at a stage of just givng short, concise, new answers to old questions. No one means to be intolerant or impatient. This topic is just a road traveled many times over.

When debate was at its peak on this forum, many were looking for definite answers, not just opinion. So, extraneous information was filtered out so that only the main points of the story could be examined to determine theories to the many questions these movies stirred up. This is why I say that determining the origin of the twins is irrelevant. I think many others share the same view. But I understand you are just looking for opinions in the fun spirit of conversation.........just wanted you to know why MY answer was what it was. I wasn't trying to be rude.

In any event, you are right about the fact that Merv could have written the Twins. There is evidence in the movie that one of the characteristics of programs becoming self-aware is that they write their own programs and hack into others. If the Trainman wrote his program, then why couldn't Merv write the Twins? It is interesting to think about but it does not lead to any relevant understanding of the deeper layers of the story.

California? Dude? Speak? How DARE you!

Well thanx for that Anomolous. I get what you & everyone else is saying. I didn't mean any disrespect 2 Anyone.. Dude. I get that everyone has probably explored my opinion on the Twins a million times over. But hey, as you said, there is NO Proof that anyone named did created the Twins, which is the Whole reason i posted this.
Well at least you've been honest enough to admit that. I wonder if anyone will say anything about that!????
I guess for everyone who has been here longer than i have, only likes participating in threads they havent already & the ones in which the have, they just get frustrated with... I'm sorry to Splinter, suicide blond & titan if I offend you in my retorts. You all made your arguements & yea i just happen to disagree. I get that all of you are saying the Architect created EVERY SINGLE PROGAME & THING in the Matrix... I just Totally disagree with that. So hey,,,,, Lets just agree to disagree.
I guess if anyone else reading this who believe you 3 are correct, there will be no need to say anything, If there i ANYONE who thinks, different can leave their opinions.

Edited by SB-Here you go Arms.

lol, ok here we go again...
I guess i'm not the only one that gets caught out with presumptions.. of gender/nationality....etc...

I will not speak for anyone else on this, but you did not offend me Arms...only annoyed me and I clearly stated why too. It is not that I am being dishonest in not saying that someone else COULD have created the Twin's program other than the Architect. It is that I just do not share your opinion. Simple as that. What I was trying to tell you is that we are all entitled to our own opinions and Splinter gave you hers three times and you did not acknowledge it, only dismissed it and kept talking around her because you did not share her opinion. That is fine if you do not share it, then do exactly as you said and simple say I disagree and state why. You did not do that. You patronised her and said she just didn't get what your question was, but she did.

Yes this subject has been talked about before, but she took the time to post to you Arms, so please don't whine and think that just because we may have concidered this a dead thread and you brought it back, that we don't have anything to say. We just may not share your opinion. After all, if we did there would be no debate.

Oh and I did not say that the Architect created every single program in the Matrix hun. It was clearly stated in Revolution that the Trainman wrote was allowed to write his own program. We can get into more debate here about a great many subjects to do with this movie, but I really don't feel like it right now.

I stated my points clearly as in reply to this last post you made. That is all.

yea cool suicide blond, i no it wasn't you that said the Architect created every single thing, it was Splinter. It just all got muddled up, with who said what, & i addressed both of you with the same reply beause it seemed as though u both shared the same view, & were backing each other up. Anyways enough about that, i think we have all strayed so far from what i initially wanted this to be about. I don't think anybody here is apart of this site to abused or insult other users.
I guess on reading it all back its clear that i started all this negativeness with the dismissal of Spinters take on things. Again i would like to apologise to you Splitner. I am sorry. A difference is opinion is know need to start an pathetic online arguement.
NMN however may just be here for that?
I guess just redading that comment was why intitally made the bullying comment. Lets not make this personal, lets stick to why we are all here. :)

I am always here for a pathetic online argument. You say something and someone else says something and ya'll fight it out, I'm there with "them fightin' words!" and make cat or dog noises, depending on who is fighting and whatnot. Hope that clears things up for you, legs.

erm....... yea thanx for letting me know..... :\

Ok...so here is my opinion...

What Splinter & co (I'm aware you're not an actual group, but Splinter is the name that sticks in my head) are saying *I'M ASSUMING* is informed by sourv\ces outside the actual films, of which there are HEAPS.

My question is this...is there a reason the twins are so albino and creepy looking?

I know it sounds trivial, but surely theres a reason.

This is my basic, and probably ridiculous, theory.

Someone said the twins were saved from deletion. My theory is that they were partially deleted and drained of colour, at which point they were saved.

Why they have dreadlocks is beyond me...