Smith standing in the Oracles kitchen?

Hi, in the Revolutions trailer. Look at the part where Smith is laughing like a maniac (pure genious that laugh). The background. Isn't that a kitchen? Doesn't it vaguely remind anyone of the Oracles kitchen in the first movie? We know she was still in that kitchen since Niobe visited her in the game.

I dont know man, its to hard to tell right off the trailor. I am seeing the movie again today so i will take a look.

...if you r right though, that could be huge in the story! smith can play a bigger role than we all thought!

I looked at it frame by frame. It showed an open cupboard, and tiling against the wall that made it look a lot like the one from the Oracle.

Either Smith kills (deletes) the Oracle or Smith is the Oracle! Talk about sheep in wolves clothing?

although I totally don't believe She is He, or vice versa -

In M2 Smith showed himself at nearly the second after the Oracle was whisked away.

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Wow, you are right. I was wondering how smith found Neo after he talked to the oracle.

What are the odds that he found him just by wandering around??

What are the odds that he happened to appear the exact instant the oracle disappeared??

Good observation - will have to think about that.

Remember the oracle ate the candy. what if that was a tracking device?

does Anyone remember what happend after Neo ate that cookie in M1? Maybe that will shed some light too.

good point with the cand man.....maybe it some kind of tracing program but i highly dought it..the oracle seems pretty ligit....but ya never know in the matrix i am sure revoultions is going to have the biggest plot twist of all times that no one will see coming....the 3rd option that no one belived would happen....

-tdktr1000

Yep, you are right on the money!

In M1, Cypher had already made plans with Smith to rejoin the Matrix. He dropped the cell phone in the trash, but that wasn't how the agents found them in that building. Neo ate the cookie and the program changed. Trinity called it a glitch (what Neo called de ja vu) which happens when they change something. What caused the glitch was Neo eating the cookie! This all happened immediately after visiting the Oracle.

Soon after, they found themselves behind the wall. Cypher's cough was just that - a cough. It wasn't til after that scene when Cypher went back to the Nebuchadnezzer by himself.

Nice catch!

Edit: I'm going to look for the "glitch" very closely tomorrow. It should occur just after the Oracle leaves, and right before Smith shows up.

Edit 2: I realize they traced the off-hook cell phone, but they still had to know what building they were in. It's still a good possiblity :)

they don't need a cookie to change the matrix. they traced the call cypher made in the beginning to the building. then when morpheus called tank for help, they traced it to them on the 8th floor (just watched it a couple days ago).

don't think the candy does anything.

remember at the beginning, after the first fight, smith says 'it's happenning exactly as before', and then the other smith says, 'not exactly'

this implies that smith has been around from the time of the other 'ones'. or at least one of them. so that's how he knew where neo would be, and that's how he found him later. he knows what is going to happen.

the only thing that is different is that neo is in love, and smith has been freed.

that's why the other smith said, 'not exactly'

anyways, I think the oracle doesn't know that she's part of the system. she said she only cares about the future. she is doing what she was programmed to do.

remember when morovingian said 'tell the future teller her time is almost up'?

what if he wasn't making a threat, but just stating a fact because he had 'survived neo's predecessors'. so he also knows what is going to happen. maybe the oracle will die, or is supposed to die at the end of each matrix cycle.

anyways, just some thoughts.

ok I don't know exactly what it means but it has to be signifigant that the oracle offered Neo food both times she's spoken to him. Also they showed (reminded) us that food can have a dramatic effect on minds in the Matrix with the whole dessert thing with the lady in pink.

on a totally unrelated thought, did the lady in pink remind anyone else of mouse's lady in red?

If you don't think Smith plays a large roll, you obviously didn't see the trailer to revolutions.

Originally posted by Kristy
ok I don't know exactly what it means but it has to be signifigant that the oracle offered Neo food both times she's spoken to him. Also they showed (reminded) us that food can have a dramatic effect on minds in the Matrix with the whole dessert thing with the lady in pink.Actually that's a good description for an intuative program designed to study the human psyche. You learn about temptation, satisfaction, taste, choice, the list goes on and on! More evidence IMO the Oracle is the "Mother" the architect mentioned.

Terikan: I conceded the cellphone trace fact. It is a possibility however, the trace program in the form of a cookie was activated just in case Cypher didn't go through with the betrayal. Don't you find it odd that Smith and the Smiths showed up at that very spot where Neo met the Oracle?

The cellphone trace in the first movie has nothing to do with the cookie. What we do learn is that a program given in the form of something to eat can influence someone in the matrix. That's stated in the merovingian scene with the cake and the woman getting all *hot'n'tingly* inside.

Now, we know neo ate the cookie. It might have been a program to make him more at ease so he doesn't force himself too much about thinking about being the one (and letting fate/destiny take its course). The oracle does say: "here have a cookie, you'll feel much better".

The red candy then. As far as I remember, you see him taking the candy, but you don't see him eating it. So saying it influenced him too would be based on an assumption.

I pointed out Smith being in the oracles kitchen (maybe, I'm not sure of this) because I thought he finally found the Oracle in Revolutions. Maybe he wanted to *have a word* with her too???

Oh btw... the woman in the restaurant goes to the bathroom, the merovingian says he's gotta take a leak too and leaves. Then later persephone says to the merovingian he was kissed by another woman. She says he has lipstick on him and that it's not on his face :)

Oh boy... frenchy knows how to get some :D :D :D

In my opinion that scene is just a masking of what we really learn: people can be manipulated using food (which is a program).

Or, he knows that someone will come to kill her, and decides to actually intervene this time. that would be interesting.

Don't you find it odd that Smith and the Smiths showed up at that very spot where Neo met the Oracle?

smith's been through this routine, he was just an agent the last time. he knows what is going to happen.

that's why in the video game he pops out at niobe. he can't sense neo like he claims, he just knows where he'll be.

You guys could be on to something. I mean, maybe this whole time shes giving him clues not to trust her. In the first one she tells him bad news, and more badnews in the second one. She also might be giving him information that will lead him to his fate.

Here are the pictures side-by-side:

http://home.cfl.rr.com/directdesigner/files/kitchen.jpg

I'm think Smith is laughing hysterically because he either

a) destroyed the Oracle.

b) is a new Smith after Smith asymilated her.

I don't realy konw its hard to tell from a trailor, we'll see in the movie.

that picture doesn't even look like Hugo Weaving...but oh well.

No, I don't think Smith is the Oracle...

Smith is no longer "connected" or "plugged in" to the Matrix. He's a free-agent, so to speak, so he is alot like Neo - HOWEVER when Neo flies off, Smith(s) can't follow him or won't.

I'm assuming even though Smith has some of Neo's abilities, he still isn't equal with The One - however - they are both connected - that's how Neo felt him when he was at the door during the gathering and left the earpiece.

Smith can follow Neo because he can "Feel" him. And vice-versa.
At first Neo doesn't realize it's Smith until he gets the earpiece and then he knows it's Smith.

Something's different. Smith never showed any emotion (other than disdain towards humanity) until this event. The Oracle is the intuitive program designed to study the human psyche. It's possible that now he has the Oracle's code after taking her over, including everything she knew about the human psyche. The cynister laugh definitely leaves that impression to me :)

i think that food can be significant to the plot line of the movie, seeing that the oracle has offered Neo food each time he's seen her and she says "You already know whether or not you're gonna take it" and then he takes it. also, the red pill that morpheus gave neo. and then cypher eats the steak when he's talking to smith about betraying the others.

I think that each time food shows up in the movie, there is somekind of change or event in the plotline.

I don't know whether or not this is significant, but Smith's not wearing his pimp sunglasses in his devil's smile photo. Any thoughts on that?

Originally posted by DNT5
i think that food can be significant to the plot line of the movie, seeing that the oracle has offered Neo food each time he's seen her and she says "You already know whether or not you're gonna take it" and then he takes it. also, the red pill that morpheus gave neo. and then cypher eats the steak when he's talking to smith about betraying the others.

I think that each time food shows up in the movie, there is somekind of change or event in the plotline.

I don't know whether or not this is significant, but Smith's not wearing his pimp sunglasses in his devil's smile photo. Any thoughts on that? Don't forget the Merovingian cake scene. She eats the cake, has an orgasm and heads to the ladies room. Merovingian says he goes to take a piss but goes to the ladies room to meet up with her instead ;) This cleared the way for Persephone to take the heroes to the mens room as part of the path to the Keymaker. You're on to something.

Smith takes his glasses off from time to time. In M1 during Neo's interrogation for example. I don't see any significance.

from what i gather from the game and the trailer, the Oracle hides herself in another "body", changes form to keep herself safe...this is also b/c the actress who plays her died and the needed to keep the character development...
However, Smith is an VEEEEERY BIG HUGE MONUMENTAL PART OF THIS PLOT! Read my thread on NEO IS NOT THE ONE...SMITH IS..
its like a huge lightbulb just went on above me head when I saw it again this morning...
and Persephone is a huge part as well....she is the "Mother of the Matrix" the Architect describes....she offers choices...that kiss...think about it...read my thread...lemme know what you think.

The 'movie' reason the oracle has a new face is because the Merovingian punished her for chosing to help neo (what she actually says in the game). Smith isn't the oracle if you ask me. In that hysterical laughing scene he either killed her, or he's standing in the kitchen, just as someone from the good guys walks in expecting to see the oracle.

Food is an important part in the these movies. It's obvious after the merovingians cake scene. After that we realize that food in the matrix is nothing but a program that can manipulate those who consume it. The fact that Neo didn't eat the red candy in M2, is probably an important factor.

Originally posted by crahan
The 'movie' reason the oracle has a new face is because the Merovingian punished her for chosing to help neo (what she actually says in the game). Smith isn't the oracle if you ask me. In that hysterical laughing scene he either killed her, or he's standing in the kitchen, just as someone from the good guys walks in expecting to see the oracle.

Food is an important part in the these movies. It's obvious after the merovingians cake scene. After that we realize that food in the matrix is nothing but a program that can manipulate those who consume it. The fact that Neo didn't eat the red candy in M2, is probably an important factor.

interesting about the food, didnt catch that...dunno how important it is to everything but its a little tidbit to be noted...and keep an eye out for..

Three things:

1) I like the theory that Smith has 'assimilated' the Oracle in the trailer.... Ohhhh, how that'd **** things up for poor Neo. He always needed the Oracle for guidance.

2) Food is indeed very important and symbolic. Especially the kind the Oracle provides. What the last candy actually meant, no-one really knows. I don't think we're even sure whether he ate it or not.

3) The fact that Smith found Neo would be accountable for by the simple fact that the Oracle knows the future. It's all been planned by her (which is not a bad thing.) She also knew that Neo would win.

Oh, and yes, the kitchen's do certainly look alot alike.

However, the color of the cabinets seems to be a bit off. Proof that we're mistaken or a production error/flaw? (like they used a different color filter)

Looks like a different lense filter to me. Those cabinets look the same if you ask me. About the oracle knowing the future. In enter the matrix she tells niobe she knows everything from the beginning till the end, but that she can't see past the end.

If you see the END as arriving at the architect and chosing the door where neo saves 23 people and returns to the source then Neo chosing the other door would indeed make it impossible for the oracle to know what will happen next.

She has always seen what happens when the one/anomaly choses to save 23 people etc etc. What seems to be her predicting the future is just her recounting what has happened 5 times before. If for some reason the One choses to save the single individual he loves, the oracle wouldn't know what comes next since she has never encountered that situation.

I think Smith is going to take over the Oracale and then all hell will break lose...

That would actually be interesting if it happened. The Oracle used to be a source of inspiration to Neo. Imagine him going to her for more advice and he just sees Smith copying himself into her. I bet that'd freak Neo out :)

Yeah but then I think the real Smith and Neo will fight and Neo will win killing the other Smiths or bringing them back to their orginal form

it really seems likely that smith is going to take over the oracle in the revolutions...

gee...
that could be real bad...

Yeah i would hate it if that happened

The kitchen in the revolutions trailer must be that of the Oracle. It would be highly unlikely that an important scene in the film would take place in somebody elses kitchen that happened to look identical to the Oracle's. Oh yes, the manic laugh...I can't wait to see what that's about!

Jake

but that's how movies go...

to make something u dislike most happen...

that would be exciting though
because dont know if neo knows about it or not
if yes, we'll just see him trying to save the oracle
if no, he'll be tricked by smith into something really bad for sure!

and by the way, is the actress playing the oracle really ...gone?
thought i read it somewhere in this thread... ... :confused:

Yes the actress playing to Oracale did die (rest her soul) and I think that her character will be infected or however you want to put it by Smith

oh...
thanks for your confirmation... :(

Your Welcome..Its very sad that the Oracale died though...she was a great actress I cant think of anywho who could play the mysterious part or the Oracale yet be like a Grandmother figure better than her

yeah she was great...

it's a pity esp. in a trio movie like this...

Yup I hope they dont make more than 3...that would be overkill

yup 3 is the most common and the best

Yup

After seeing the new actress playing the Oracle for the first time in one of the cutscenes in Enter The Matrix, it just felt so strange. I mean, the way she talks is so different. It's not just a change of face, it's a complete change of character. I can only hope she'll have as much charisma as the original actress. I'm going to miss her, She will forever be the Oracle.

I completely agree with you no one will replace her just like how no one will replace Dumbledore in the Harry Potter series

yup, cant agree more

i havent seen the new actress playing yet, but i can imagine

Shes nothing like the Oracale its like...Trinity and Niobe switching places

As much as I like cookies...I gotta shoot you down on this one guys. Neo doesnt eat the candy the Oracle gives him. Seraph senses Smith and says we have to leave, he was coming because he can feel NEO and vice versa. Neo was just distracted and talking to the Oracle.

Two--lets not forget that Neo has Matrix-vision now and can see if he was being handed a trace program.

The rules that apply to other characters arent the same for Neo because of his Oneness.

Originally posted by cal5000
As much as I like cookies...I gotta shoot you down on this one guys. Neo doesnt eat the candy the Oracle gives him. Seraph senses Smith and says we have to leave, he was coming because he can feel NEO and vice versa. Neo was just distracted and talking to the Oracle.

Two--lets not forget that Neo has Matrix-vision now and can see if he was being handed a trace program.

The rules that apply to other characters arent the same for Neo because of his Oneness.

Maybe the fact he *didn't* eat the candy changed something? Maybe all the One's before Neo did eat the candy and it resulted in different behaviour? Who knows, just my thought :D.

the oracles body...well maybe

I believe Agent Smith does assimilate the Oracle. In fact I think Agent Smith will basically take over the Matrix in Revolutions. In order for Neo to stop the machines from destroying Zion, he will have to make a deal with the Matrix to destroy Agent Smith, because Smith has become this ever multiplying virus that eventually it will destroy the Matrix from within. This is how I believe the war would end. Think about it, there is no other way to win, so to say. The only options are either, machines win, humans win or both win. Obviously the machines cannot win, and a human win would also mean a human loss. Which leads to the everyone wins option, which the movies have alluded to many times, that humans and machines need each other.

i totally agree with you

That theory might very well be true. I mean it would explain from the trailer for Revolutions when there are thousands of smiths in standing like an army facing one smith and Neo about to fight. I mentioned this in another post, about how in Matrix 1, smith explains to morpheus that humans are like a virus because they multiply and consume, and this is what smith is doing in the matrix now.

i must have missed that post

Its strange that Smith always shows up immediately after the main character sees the oracle. Even in the game!!! After Seraph sees Niobe/Ghost out of the door to the construct, Smith immediately pounces on them!

I think the thing to remember is that Smith is now practically everywhere. At the rate he is capable of replicating himself, he would be able to take over the entire population in no time.

Originally posted by Jeem
. The only options are either, machines win, humans win or both win.

or both lose.

How could they both lose?????

Originally posted by mazman
How could they both lose?????

Unplug everyone from the matrix. Humans die from from an unhabitable earth and shortage of food, shelter in Zion.

Machines die from not being able to use humans anymore to survive because they are unplugged and free.

That is how they could both lose.

I've always personally believed that Seraph is protecting the Oracle from Smith (That's why Seraph didn't appeared in M1), so probably he could have copied himself over the oracle