Neo

If you have been following the news on the new game Path Of Neo, you have seen that you can change the fate of The Matrix movies by choosing diffrent paths for Neo. I think this game kills all theories on Neo being a Christ like character, as in the Bible it states that Christ was perfect and had to die to save the world and in the movies it did, to a point, give you that impression, along with some Buddism, Hinduism, and a few other religions. I guess Neo wasn't the saviour after all and just a bozo that killed the humans chances of destroying what they created. So now we must go back and change what that bozo did. I am just stating the impression the new game synopsis, that I have read, gives me. Any further comments on this?

You actually make a good point in that. You'll have that happen any time you take a deity-like figure and allow people to become them. Imagine if they made a game where you are Jesus, deciding what to do and when. It'd kill the common thoughts we carry of him now.

Maybe the writers of the game just didnt want it to be linear.

Does Neo really have to die in the end for him to be considered a "christ like figure"? I think just being put in the position of possibly sacrificing ones life for the lives of other people automatically makes you christ like.

Sort of true, but as I stated before if Neo made bad choices he was not perfect.

Neo made bad choices in the movie. He used violence to achieve an end, he slept with Trinity out of wedlock, and many other things. Neo was never meant to be an exclusively christ-like figure.

We don't know if they were truly out of wedlock, as you say. Also, God himself used violence throughout the Bible to achieve His will. Neo's use of violence isn't any worse or better.

I completely agree with you, PP.
Violence is used throughout history, even by the Jews, with their God's favor.

PP, and they could create an expansion pack where you play muhammed. They could make it a first person shooter, lol.

Anyway, could Jesus not have chosen other ways? I believe so. He had a free will, and he lived by the law of God, yes, but when I walk around a fountain left or right, I do not violate God's will. There is plenty of 'breathing space'. When Jesus was crucified, he stated 'Why has thou abandoned me?' or something along those lines. He had the freedom to act within God's realm.

Mr U

Well, I don't want to get into to much of a religious discussion, although the matrix kind of is for me :P , Jesus had to follow the path that was made for him by God perfectely. In the trilogy, Neo had to follow the path of the one perfectely and if in dying he did not, then he was not perfect.

I agree w/ HU on this one. Jesus had free will, he actually had more freedom to do what he pleased than any of us do. But as with Neo, the outcome was inevitable. There was a certain ending that would happen all along, and no matter what Neo choses to do along the way, he will eventually get there.

Jesus had to follow the path that was made for him by God perfectely.

How do you know? Have you asked God personally?

Just because its not in the Bible doesn't mean it didnt happen, and just because it is in the Bible doesn't mean it did happen.

I agree with Tmaster in not making this discussion too theological, but its also important to remember that "The One" turned out to be just another form of control by the machines, and one could argue the only reason Neo's version of the one was different from the others was because of his direct love for Trinity.

If you have been following the news on the new game Path Of Neo, you have seen that you can change the fate of The Matrix movies by choosing diffrent paths for Neo. I think this game kills all theories on Neo being a Christ like character, as in the Bible it states that Christ was perfect and had to die to save the world and in the movies it did, to a point, give you that impression, along with some Buddism, Hinduism, and a few other religions. I guess Neo wasn't the saviour after all and just a bozo that killed the humans chances of destroying what they created. So now we must go back and change what that bozo did. I am just stating the impression the new game synopsis, that I have read, gives me. Any further comments on this?

You forgot one thing about the Christ parallel. Christ did indeed die to save the world, but he also ROSE AGAIN after three days and is very much alive and well.
This is why if the strong Christian themes in the trilogy hold true, then Neo will be 'resurrected' in the future (see the Oracle's final statements at the end of Revolutions).

Many see the part in The Matrix where Neo is shot by Agent Smith and dies, then comes back to life as his Christlike resurrection. However, in order to follow through with the Christian allegorical theme, we also must believe that Neo didn't die when Smith was deleted through him in M3.

Bah, it's just a movie.

PP's right. It started off as a good Christian allegory, but if you try to read too much into it you just get confused. The first one parallels the bible pretty well, but the rest don't as much. There are other religions and ideas in it too.

Thats another good point, there are strong Hindu and Buddistic tones to the movie as well. The religious theme to the movies could just be an allegory of religion in general and not just Christianity.

Well anyhoo, the game looks like it will be interesting to play and theres alot riding on it for Shiny after ETM.

Thats another good point, there are strong Hindu and Buddistic tones to the movie as well. The religious theme to the movies could just be an allegory of religion in general and not just Christianity.

Well anyhoo, the game looks like it will be interesting to play and theres alot riding on it for Shiny after ETM.

Shiny has had all the time in the world to get this game right. They were rushed for ETM because it had to come out with reloaded, hence all the glitches they didnt have time to fix. Path of Neo is the only game Shiny is putting out this year.

Yeah, I have nothing against ETM. The Shiny comment wasn't coming from my opinion specifically, but still there is that crutch that Shiny has to bear.

We don't know if they were truly out of wedlock, as you say. Also, God himself used violence throughout the Bible to achieve His will. Neo's use of violence isn't any worse or better.

Christ never used violence, at least, not to any notable degree. If Neo represents Christ, fully, then he would have had to use no violence. And the "out of wedlock", true, it never explicitly says whether they are married or not. However, it is clear that Link is married to Zee, through the movies, and through the countless extras, whereas you never see any indication that Neo and Trinity have tied the knot.

And on ETM.....actually, ETM was one of Shiny's biggest hits that year. It sold six million copies, nearly record-breaking numers. I think the game in and of itself wasn't so bad, it was just bad when compared to such an amazing and long awaited sequel.

What do you mean there's no definate sign saying Neo and Trin didn't tie the knot? There's just as much proof for them as there is for Link and Zee.

Jesus used violence- look at when he approached the moneychangers and other vendors at the temple! If Jesus is God, then everything done throughout the Old Testament is proof alone that violence, when used for a Divine purpose, is acceptable.

Jesus and God are separate but the same. Neo represents Christ, not God. I suppose we could get into a whole Trinity debate here, (the actual Trinity, not Carrie-Anne Moss), but that's not the point. What Jesus used in the temple wasn't violence. It was righteous anger, and he pushed over the tables and yelled at people. He didn't hit people or kill them, like Neo does.

As for the evidence for Link and Zee vs. Trinity and Neo, in the movies, both Link and Zee wear wedding bands. Trinity and Neo don't. And I've seen every single feature for both the ultimate collection and the original dvds, and several times the producers/critics/philosophers/filmmakers make comments about Link and Zee being married, so that's where that evidence comes from, whereas they never say never or not Trinity and Neo are married.

Like you said, this isn't a religious debate. If you wish to continue this, pm me.
In the meantime, if Jesus and God are one in the same, then what God allows shouldn't conflict with what Jesus does, and vice versa.

Wedding bands don't mean shit. My parents never wore them, and never will, but they're still married. Yes, this violates the social norm, but it's not the only case out there. The behind-the-scenes bits don't talk about Zee and Link being married, either.
You know what happens when you assume...

True, not wearing wedding bands is not uncommon for people who are married, however, in a movie people generally wear wedding bands, unless some other reason is given for them not wearing wedding bands. Why do Link and Zee wear wedding bands, and Trinity and Neo don't? Since it does violate a social norm, why would the brothers even choose to put no wedding bands on Neo and Trinity's hands and ones on Link and Zee's? And yes, actually, several times in the special features they mention Link and Zee being married, such as the phrase, "Link's wife" or "Zee's husband, Link". It's been awhile since I've seen the special features, but I distinctly remember them mentioning it, because I had not noticed the wedding bands until then, and I had not thought of Link and Zee as being married.

a lot of good points but if you think about it you will have to be The One without being christ

a lot of good points but if you think about it you will have to be The One without being christ

You know its more logical in a matrix sense that Smith is the Christ figure.

Who is the God in the Matrix? :The Architect.
Who does the Architect send into the Matrix to protect it? : Smith.
Who ends up saving the Matrix due to a deal Neo made? : Smith.

Looking at it that way Smith could be the Christ figure and not Neo