Neo Vs. Yoda

In a fight, who do you think would win? Neo or Yoda? Post your votes and explain them, people.

Well, Neo can most certainly move faster, even if we are talking about a younger Yoda. And while Neo can stop bullets and logically other physical attacks, there is no evidence that he can stop force attacks. There is also the question of how well Neo would be able to defend against a light saber. Of course, if the fight takes place inside the Matrix then all of this is pointless. Neo can manipulate anything inside the Matrix, so we are lead to believe, an ability that would overwhelm any opponent.

I've been having this discussion with my friends since yesterday.
Very good point, TD.
Where does the fight take place? Besides, even if it takes place in the real world, Neo can still destroy sentinels. I think he could take on a freak little green guy.

Ok, let's be non-move oriented. Yoda is of a race never named by George Lucas, or so I believe so. I've got the encyclopedia somewhere (yes, I was and could still possibly be a major nerd), and we'll see about that. Anyways, there was never another 'alien' that was like Yoda. Neo, on the other hand is 'human'. A feeble-minded individual not capable of comprehending such complex words as 'ergo', and 'concordantly'. As a side note, if Yoda were to have spoken to the Architect, the conversation would have been over in about 2 minutes.

Anyways, my point. Putting aside fighting, Yoda wins hands down just for his mental capacity alone. The Force isn't just moving physical objects witht he mind; there is a certain amount of control and composure, and the mind tricks would definitely kick Neo's ass.

And to make it fair, the fight shouldn't be in the Matrix. At least not in the Earth Matrix. Possibly the Matrix on another world where Neo cannot know exactly how his abilities are gonna play out.

As for the lightsaber, Neo couldn't block that. Pure concentrated light that can slice through anything in a place where rules are governing. And don't give me bullshit about Neo being uber powerful inside the Matrix, and that he can totally break the rules for anything. He still got hit in the Reloaded more than a few times, and he even bled. Smith almost killed him in Revs.

My final answer in a heartbeat: Yoda, hands down.

Sigh. So why didn't you vote in my poll?
In any case, the fight would be very very close. It wouldn't be hands down either way. I'm almost tempted to say Yoda would win, but I go with Neo, because, frankly, he just has more brawns than Yoda.
Also, if Yoda has a lightsaber, Neo should be able to have guns.
Guns and lightsaber aside, yes Yoda is more wise and has more smarts than Neo. But how would this help him in a fight? Intelligence or wisdom may be helpful, but overall brawns will triumph over brains in this case, and Neo certainly has more brawns than scrawny little Yoda.
I admit. Yoda is an awesome little guy, and he would come very close. It might even be a stalemate. But no way would he beat Neo.
And back to the brains thing, though that's not exactly the point of this thread.
In the Architect's conversation, Neo DID understand it. The Architect had to go through the whole thing to explain it all. Yoda wouldn't have figured it out before the end. He would have had to listen to the whole thing.
He's a Jedi. Not a mind-reader. And yes, he can manipulate minds, but as I'm sure you well know, only the weak minded. And we can probably both agree that the Architect is in no way weak-minded.
Yoda is wise and intelligent. Neo is very smart too. Yoda has been around 900 some odd years. Neo has been around about 35. Obviously Yoda will know more and will have learned more. Neo, given that amount of time, will have grown great in intelligence as well.
But smarts are not the issue here.
One of the powers he has is Jedi mind tricks, and they work on the weak minded. But Neo is not weak minded. He decided to go save Morpheus. He figured out he had to go to the machine city. He nearly beat 100 Smiths. He kicked seven or eight guys' butts, all of whom had deadly weapons.
He can freakin' fly.
Neo is a very very smart person, and he is not weak-minded, so Yoda's tricks would not work on him. And let's not go into Keanu Reeves's acting here, okay?
Anyways, back to brawn.
Even if they fought outside the Matrix, Neo still has powers there. He stopped the Sentinels and Sentinel bombs. Can you imagine the kind of power that takes? Even a concentrated EMP gun shooting at a Sentinel for seven seconds straight doesn't kill it.
Neo destroyed them with just his mind. That, my friend, is powerful. Yoda can't do anything that compares to that.
And on getting beat up in the Matrix, the first doesn't count, since he wasn't the One then, and in the second, he almost beats 100 Smiths, and he is beating Seraph, and would have, and at the Chateau he easily beats the Merv's henchmen.
So, Neo would win, but not hands down, whatever that means. In other words, the fight would be very close, but ultimately Neo would win.

Don't sigh at me. I did vote in your ridiculously-asked poll.

Here's a suggestion: Pay attention.

And another thing: How can you say brains don't matter in a fight. Have you ever been in a fight? How do you think people win wars? Just by taking all their guys into one area and then saying "oh, we have more guys than you do, we'll obviously win." No no, it takes strategery (your good buddy Bush) and tactical thinking. Key word there being thinking. Unless you think with your other head most of the time. Point, Neo would have a hard time following Yoda around. And Yoda was very adept at KNOWING what someone was thinking. Don't talk to me about Star Wars, I knew all there was to know. I could go get the encyclopedia. Anyways, Jedi masters are more powerful then you think.

Also, guns don't stand a chance against lightsabers. Ha! A focused beam of light capable of cutting through ANYTHING against little bullets made of metal. Hm... let's think about that one for a second.

I've given you my answer, choose to accept it or don't accept it. Whatever. Arguing little retarded subjects was not what I had in mind when I replied to this thread. Your first post doesn't say "come in, answer my poll, then argue with me." That's ridiculous.

As I said, Yoda would win, hands down.

Obviously there is a conflict here. Both movie characters ("Neo" and "yoda", whom I from now of on call "N1" and "Y1") are based upon actual historical characters, with some artistic freedom added, of course. Thus, you have the realistic Yoda, and the realistic Neo, whom the characters are based on. I shall call them "N2" for Neo, and "Y2" for Yoda.

Now, Y2 is obviously not some green space-dwarf, but rather a master in martial arts who lived many years ago, and who tought many great Samourai fighters. N2 is not really some computer nerd who lives in the Matrix. N2 is a combination of two different characters, combined (read part about artistic freedom), whom I shall cal "N3" and "N4".

Now, N3, or of course N4, as there really is no proving which character they used first, was a computer geek who was very much like Thomas A Anderson before he is contacted by Trinity.

N4, or of course N3, as there really is no proving which character they used second, was Jet Li in the movie Kiss of the Dragon ('The one' is, obviously, too obvious) (which is, as a sidenote, a movie worth watching, referring to Kiss of the Dragon, although the one is also worth watching, I must say) and Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee (in Enter the Dragon) and Sylvester Stalone (in Rocky part 1. And 2. And 3. And 4. And 5.).
Thus, we can safely say that N4, or of course N3, as there really is no proving which character they used second, is in fact a very powerful martial artist.

In a who would win poll, or a vs. poll, a horrible abbrevation of versus, a beautiful latin word, later assimilated into the English language, the skills of a hacker are not that interesting, as it's mostly about combat, not about knowledge of good porn sites and typing speed.

Ergo: We have two combat characters: Y2 and N4 (or N3). Now, this would be pretty simple, as it would normally be a Master vs a warrior. However it is not that simple. You see, Y2k was based on something much greater. You see, if we are going to make a comparrison, we have to take in account Chi, which was later translated into the Force in Y1. Y2k, however, does not posses the Force, but rather Chi, which is similar, but different. N4 (or N3), however, does not possess this, since most scientists do not believe it exists. In the time of Y2k, most religious folk did belief it existed.

So, it all boils down to whether or not Chi exists, and whether or not N4 will have time to adapt to a CRE (Chi-rich environment ), or Y2k to a CPE (Chi-poor environment). This than reflects back to Y1 and N1, as they too have to consider a FRE (Force-rich environment, and french) and a FPE (Force-poor environment). Thus, we must ask ourselves who is best at adapting to the new environment, Y1, or N1.

This, I believe is difficult to say. First of all, N1 is a completely moron. He is, after all, not alive. Y1 is not intelligent and can not adapt. After all, he is CG, and is thus a machine, and machines can not think, ecxept for the DEM (Deus Ex Machina), and we can all pretty much see Y1 does not look like DEM. In fact, none of the characters look like DEM.

My conclusion: Because of adaptability issues, and to increase general performance for the overall system, I say DEM.

Mr U

DEM would probably kill both them, yeah, I agree.
But NMN, in a thread like this, discussion is obviously part of the deal.
And I'm laughing to myself right now. Not at you, but at how heated a debate can get over something so silly. It's really kind of ridiculous to think about such a thing when you stop and think about it.
Anyways, back to the discussion. In war strategy, yes, smarts matter. But Neo is excellent at up close and personal combat, which is what would be the case. When I said brawns would triumph over brain, I put "in this case." Between Yoda and Neo.
And I don't see how Neo wouldn't be able to follow Yoda around. What's the idea with saying that? In up close and personal combat, he wouldn't need to. And Yoda couldn't exactly run away. Neo can fly. He can follow Yoda anywhere, and if in terms of following someone around you mean Yoda can get away, understand, I'm not saying you are saying this, I'm just planning for the contingency of if you are, but anyways, Neo could run away much easier than Yoda.
Yeah, Jedi masters are very powerful. But Neo would still beat him, I believe.
And on a side note, what are our new title things for under our custom user titles?
And anyways, HU, that wasn't very fair of you to add DEM to my poll. It's called Neo Vs. Yoda. That's the whole point of the thread, to vote and argue about attributes of the two. And you putting that destroys the entire purpose of the thread. People were supposed to choose between Neo and Yoda, and if you liked DEM, well, I'm sorry, but he wasn't an option. Go create your own poll. But editing my existing one, thus destroying the entire purpose of the poll, was not a very nice thing to do.

Anyways, there was never another 'alien' that was like Yoda.
*cough* Rewatch Ep 1. I'm sorry, I know it's torture, but trust me. There is another of Yoda's species.

Neo should be able to have guns.
Riiight, erm, have you seen Yoda move? Think Neo or anyone can hit something moving that fast? Had a brain scan recently?

He stopped the Sentinels and Sentinel bombs. Can you imagine the kind of power that takes?
Yeah, hate to tell you, but Yoda aint connected to the source. What can Neo do to him? Nothing.

That said, it is really close. All I've managed to do is beat down sevral of your points. I think Yoda would win, but that could be just my love of star wars talking.

HU, are you trying to sell me insurance coverage for my home, in case a plane should crash into it due to the Y2k bug?

Welly welly well, there's Yoda with the force and Neo with the source. A cadential conundrum with no clear solution. Alas, I will have to pick what's behind door number one, and say Yoda. Neo's powers in the real world only extended to da sex machines, and while Yoda is a CG character, I'm sure Neo would have much more trouble with the non-mechanical puppet Yoda.

The non mechanical Yoda was pathetic in the fifth and sixth movies. At the time the technology to bring him to such life was practically groundbreaking.
And MHD, it never says that Neo is able to destroy Sentinels because they are connected to the Source.

Not directly, but it certainly was inferred in the whole speach with the oracle.
You liked the CG yoda better? That totall blasphemy that insults all things star wars? Eww. It just wasn't yoda and it was not at all ground breaking.

This thread now sucks. When will a moderator or administrator come and change it back to Neo Vs. Yoda? It was my thread, and I created it, and it was not endagering the welfare of this board, so HU, you had no business changing it. This is a clear example of you, a moderator, using your moderating powers to accomplish something that is for your own good. If not, please explain to me how adding DEM to this poll help us in question of who would win in a battle between NEO and YODA.

It was my thread, and I created it, and it was not endagering the welfare of this board, so HU, you had no business changing it.
1] You have no business telling me what and what not to do.
2] You do not know what is and what is not endangering to this board.
This is a clear example of you, a moderator, using your moderating powers to accomplish something that is for your own good.
As you are obviously so good in empathising with others, please explain me what good I found in chaning this thread to include DEM. Alternatively, you may have noticed another member also voted for the 'DEM', so it was not just for 'myself'.

Now, I'm reacting in this manner, because I believe in an open system, where everyone can critise me for my actions, and where everyone can give me feed back on what they believe I could improve. What I do not believe in, however, is someone who creates 'vs' threads, a black spot on all discussion boards, to come tell me what my friggin' job is.

Solution: I'm going to remove the DEM from this thread, and I'm going to move this thread to the Babbling Stooges, where you may, in the future, dispose of all these 'vs' threads.

PM me if you have a problem with it :).

Mr U

neo would win. yoda would be nothing without his light saber

let say yoda won't use his force powers then he would not stand a change against neo

Yoda with Lightsaber, knowledge of the force, extremely intelligent vs. Neo in matrix

Im pretty sure Yoda wins it, Neo being fast just isnt enough.

Oh, I suppose now that this is in Babbling Stooges there's no spam limit.
HU, that's just a bunch of friggin' crap. You know perfectly well you just felt like changing it, so you did. Oh, yeah, wait, I forgot. IN MY OPINION.
None of the other mods or admins felt a need to change it. You did have no business messing with my thread, so don't go using someone voting for DEM as an excuse. My thread was doing just fine, and you're just being defensive becaus you know that you did for your own selfish reasons.
Oh, wait, IN MY OPINION.

I would appreciate it if you didn't clump the staff together like that and speak for them. Because you're not them, and so you may not speak for them. This actually ISN'T your thread. Once you posted it, it becomes property of the owner, since it's on a server he pays for, and thus is his by default. So it's not YOURS.

That's not my opinion, that's FACT. Something you have a problem with.

Why did everyone suddenly become assholes? Really!
let say yoda won't use his force powers then he would not stand a change against neo

Oh right, and Neo can still do all his special things and be the one? Right, like that fair. Let's see, if Neo owned and atomic bomb, was invincible, had millions of soldiers at his side and was god and Yoda had a stick, who would win?

Let's see, if Neo owned and atomic bomb, was invincible, had millions of soldiers at his side and was god and Yoda had a stick, who would win?

Yoda, still. Hands down.

Yoda, still. Hands down.
Oh, wow, NMN, you're hilarious.

Oh, wow, NMN, you're hilarious.
I was being serious. And my name's not NMN.

Oh, right, forgot. Shirley. But how can you possibly be serious. If Yoda could do that, the Jedi wouldn't have lost the Clone Wars.

Since this much is not obvious Yoda is not present at every Clone battle, he's pretty powerful but he's not a God. You should also remember that during all the clone wars Anakin becomes Darth Vader, eventually more powerful than even Yoda.

yoda only fought for a few sconds against that other old dude.

neo would win if they are in the matrix and real world.
if yoda woudn't use his little light sabre and just use his stick or fist. neo would own him

and nmn.. or shirley or what ever the hell you are now. i know you are a star wars geek and will defend yoda with everything you got. but be alittle more nice to members. just because you are a admin doesn't mean you're better then others

Well no shit. I mean c'mon. Saying so-and-so would win if so-and-so2 has nothing and so-and-so1 has everything is just stupid. If you disarm Yoda, of course he would lose. he'd just be a green frog. Of course, same for Neo. He would be only human and just some stupid hacker. Now, who would win if BOTH Neo and Yoda were either armed of disarmed?

Saying so-and-so would win if so-and-so2 has nothing and so-and-so1 has everything is just stupid.

First sensible post made. Perhaps we can all agree that these 'vs' threads are a useless waste of time, and indeed pointless in debate.

Freddy Krueger, it is not your duty to put people on their place. Especially not an administrator. If you have objections to a way an administrator or moderator is doing his/her job. Use the PM system.

Mr U

This thread now sucks. When will a moderator or administrator come and change it back to Neo Vs. Yoda? It was my thread, and I created it, and it was not endagering the welfare of this board, so HU, you had no business changing it. This is a clear example of you, a moderator, using your moderating powers to accomplish something that is for your own good. If not, please explain to me how adding DEM to this poll help us in question of who would win in a battle between NEO and YODA.

And ftr, it was I who put DEM in the thread title, to maintain continuity with the tri-poll.

NIC, I took your issues into consideration, and I believe that you need to pm HU in future, not make accusations of mod abuse in main. For believe me, it's not good for the thread you are trying to defend.

FK, you know what I'm going to say about that line so I won't.

Oh and by the way, Superman would kick both their asses.

and nmn.. or shirley or what ever the hell you are now. i know you are a star wars geek and will defend yoda with everything you got. but be alittle more nice to members. just because you are a admin doesn't mean you're better then others
No.

Yoda would win with his eyes closed and all four limbs tied behind his back. Beat that suckas.

I maintain that if Yoda could beat that supposed army, the Jedi would have won the Clone Wars. And fine, disarm Neo if Yoda's disarmed too. My point being, Neo has more innate talent than Yoda. Half of Yoda's power is his lightsaber. Neo doesnt' even use guns once he becomes the One, he only uses weapons in the Chateau. So how powerful can the little green frog be if he needs a lightsaber?

You do not understand the power of Force then.

Never underestimate the power of the Force. 'Twould be your decline.

I maintain that if Yoda could beat that supposed army, the Jedi would have won the Clone Wars. And fine, disarm Neo if Yoda's disarmed too. My point being, Neo has more innate talent than Yoda. Half of Yoda's power is his lightsaber. Neo doesnt' even use guns once he becomes the One, he only uses weapons in the Chateau. So how powerful can the little green frog be if he needs a lightsaber?

Like Shirl said, you're still not reckoning in the force part.

Yoda has force. Did he or did he not stop that falling crane in AOTC with the Force? He did. Neo does -not- have force powers. Yeah, he can fly and do martial arts and stop bullets, but Yoda's not only got a load of mind tricks in his arsenal, he can hurl things, and probably people, around. Imagine, he could beat Neo by throwing Neo around!

Yoda wins. With or without the light saber. And no, I am not a Star Wars Nut.

My point being, Neo has more innate talent than Yoda. Half of Yoda's power is his lightsaber.
By that logic you could give a random shmuck a light saber and they would have all of Yoda's skills. Last time I checked, it doesn't work like that. Also, Yoda has the force powers. Neo has a bunch of stuff. Only thing that would actually work agains Yoda would be Kung-Fu. Stopping bullets? Yoda doesn't use guns. Stopping sentinals? Yoda is not a sentinal. Moving really fast? Rewatch the Yoda duel scene. He's moving pretty damn fast. Also, fighting a 4 ft tall green dude is diffrent than fighting a 6 ft tall human. All your blows need to be a lot lower and thus, you have to completely change how you fight. It's not easy to fight a miget.

By that logic you could give a random shmuck a light saber and they would have all of Yoda's skills.

No, not true. Any schmuck could not use a light saber. But Yoda has excellent skill with a light saber, and without it, a lot of his power is gone.
Yes, Yoda moved that big thing in AOTC and he moved an X-wing in Empire. But do you see how hard he had to work to do it? He couldn't do it that quickly in the fight.
As for the Sentinels thing, no where does it say that Neo can do this because they touch the Source. Neo is able to give massive charges of power to destroy them. And there's no reason he couldn't use it on Yoda. He stopped the Sentinels in their tracks. Who's to say he couldn't stop Yoda?

Massive charges of power? I didn't see any. The power of the one goes all the way back to the source. He directly connects to the source and has control over the sentinal(s) and can deactivate them. It is not an EMP blast or whatever you want to call it. Note that when he was using his RL neo-vision he could only see machines and programs.

Um, excuse me, but does it ever bother showing a human from Neo's point of view? No. For all we know, he might have seen Trinity the way he saw the true spirit that inhabited Bane's body. It only showed him seeing machines and programs, but as he's walking along about to meet Deus Ex, you see it from his point of view, and it clearly shows him.
Also, what do you mean you didn't see any massive charges of power? What about at the end of Reloaded when he stops the Sentinels? You see sparks shooting out at them and they jolt around violenlty like when they're getting hit by EMP blasts.

I could beat them all, because they are merely fictional characters.

And here comes DPD to spoil the party. Duh, DPD. Like none of us knew this. You have no imagination.

How do you come up with this crap? (And that's not a flame, it's a compliment. I wish I could think of as funny crap as you.)

And here comes the "continuously oppressed by the pagans" neoizcool to tell me shit about myself that he couldn't possibly know and has already basically stated an argument against in another thread. Good job, your argument is weighted SO strongly that I might have trouble coming up with a clever rebuttal. Sigh, I guess I'll have to concede this one to you.

Anyway, Yoda gets my vote due to his power with the force, and hey, it's just my opinion anyway.

Neo could only see machines, things connected to the source. He's a part of the source, so he saw himself. Notice he didn't see any gold outlining the contour of the Logos' hull (or whatever ship it was). If he could see everything, there's be gold around Smith when he bashed Smith's head off. Even if he could blast this so-called power at things that aren't machines, Yoda could just force lightning him. Same difference.

This is so turning into a thread about Neo's powers.

For all we know, he might have seen Trinity the way he saw the true spirit that inhabited Bane's body. It only showed him seeing machines and programs, but as he's walking along about to meet Deus Ex, you see it from his point of view, and it clearly shows him.
You also notice that he couldn't see trinity when they crashed. He had to feel the tentacles (or whatever) to know she was going to die. Go watch the movie again or write to the WB if you don't believe me.

What the heck, DPD? That was in an entirely nother thread! Way to quote it out of context!

I was referring contradictory statements that you yourself said regarding my imagination/creativity, or lack thereof.

The point, which you must've missed:

In this thread, you stated that I have no imagination. Elsewhere, you seemed astonished at what I visualized (imagined) and put into words in a piece of writing. Regardless of the topic at hand, you brought up the subject of my imagination, thus pushing the thread off of topic, and now you're saying I'm out of context in a discussion that shouldn't even be taking place in a thread in the spamming section. Top notch.

Forgive me. I suppose I meant, "You can sure be a jerk when you want to be."

You are forgiven. May the force be with you.

Forgive me. I suppose I meant, "You can sure be a jerk when you want to be."

And he can be a very good one at that. Can't you honey?

Yoda...hands down! He's got mad skills lol

What's there to think about? A Jedi master versus a dead guy?

Neo, hands down.

im sayin yoda cause it freakin yoda man he is the MASTER, neo couldnt avoid the force hes a dumb human, only the strongest minds can overcome the force

hmm...it seems to me, Neo would win no matter where at...because...you all act like it has to be in the real world, well...last time i checked, real world doesnt have "The Force" or a lightsaber...so to give yoda his powers...it should be in the matrix so neo has his too...but in the matrix, neo can manipulate everything, and if you believe he cant block a lightsaber, then what about dodging, remember him fighting against Smith at the end of episode 1, yoda would be similar to that from Neo's point of view...

If you put them in the real world, you take away the force, and lightsabers, Neo can still fight and so can yoda, but yoda cant jump like that because gravity is there and no more force powers...so IMO i truly think Neo would beat Yoda....

Dumb ass. There is a big difference between the REAL world and the real world of the movies. Like talking about the Matrix. You have the real world and you have the Matrix world. Obviously this discussion would be pointless if we were talking about it anywhere outside of the movie world realm.

nice don cause thats the only truth we can go on

omg...i thought this site would be pretty cool...seems their are alot of idiots...dont care for arguements...but to call me a dumbass when all i did was point out the obvious....even so if u put them in the movie real world...it wouldnt make sense...cause then ur putting them in the starwars universe...and are just taking away neo's powers...kinda moronic isnt it?

hmmm,well then don't post here-yhat was easy was'nt it? oh and this is in the babbling stooges section,what were you expecting?

i would hope that people would understand how to make it fair...its only a fair fight if they either both have all powers...which would be in matrix...or neither has any...so in the real world...

Yoda would kick Neo's ass as he will do all of his fancy jumping like a monkey

Yoda would kick Neo's ass as he will do all of his fancy jumping like a monkey

I hope you are joking.

Well duh!! Of course i am joking i mean that Neo would not ever have to try as he mwill just dodge all fo Yoda's attack's and if i made Yoda i would not have joined this website

I would say that Neo would win. He just seems better than yoda at that fighting and dodging stuff. Plus his move style is probably the best out of all the starwars and matrix characters

For what they fight together?