ZPE (Zero Point Energy)

MacLeod

Here's one for you Trek and Stargate fans. Anyone familiar with the term ZPE? It's the next-next-next generation in energy production...and we haven't even perfected fusion yet, yet alone matter\anti-matter.
Simply put, this is among the most deep quantum physics topics I've ever seen. If it works, it can theoretically draw a near-infinite amount of energy from a raw, clean vacuum. Think of the benefits-the most efficient energy production (matter-antimatter) doesn't even compare to this!
More confusing: somewhere in the topics I've read on this was the mention that ZPE involves multiple dimensions beyond the conventional 4. Star Trek's quantum torpedoes uses this real mumbo-jumbo filled explanation of 15 dimensions and superstrings and twisting...anyone know string theory enough to help me form a link?
Helios

Superstrings are one of ther key elements in Membrane-theory, and there are 10 dimensions (in its current form). ZPE energy is the conversion of an extremely high frequency bandwidth of the electromagnetic spectrum (beyond Gamma Rays) known as the zero point spectrum. Supposedly ZPE in one theory is what set off the big bang, the energy exist in a vacuum though it is considerably lower that what it was 13.5 billion years ago (the big bang).


This as a source of energy is the first ive seen as a practical application of M-theory, beside multiply connected spaces (wormholes). Sounds great though, just developing a way of drawing power from a vacuum is the problem. We dont even have anti-matter powerplants yet, this sounds at least a decade or two off from that.
Arsetron

anti-matter power plants? is this all like the zero point energy manipulation gun in HL2?
Helios

Ah my ignorance seems to shine looking back. Now that I do know more on the topic ZPE is farther from our technological reach than I thought. ZPE is basially harnessing energy from the plank level, that energy which is 10^19 billion electron volts is farther than anything that we could even tap into for a few centuries. Not even close to the few decades I stated before.
Arsetron

so youre talking about a fuckload of power bro, how is it tapped? how would it be tapped? tell me more, this is quite interesting
Snoopy

Zero-Point Energy is really the energy an object has at the temperature of Absolute Zero (0 degrees Kelvin). That's it, just quantum fluctuations. Don't believe me? Look it up on Wikipedia (http://www.wikipedia.org). I'm trying to go it by memory from last night, so correct me if I'm wrong about the quantum flux thing.
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-Snoopy
veradis

I think it's when the velocity, and therefore kinetic energy of a quantum harmonic oscillator, a quantum particle, whatever, is zero. So no, it's not fluctuations. Wikipedia says that ZPE (unknown location w/ 0 vel.) and Absolute Zero are paradoxes, so they're impossible. Hmm...
MacLeod

Ooh...I can't resist it, i gotta post here. :D
I first heard of ZPE from Star Trek, used in their famed quantum torpedo. I did a little research later; found something I think I can roughly remember. Maybe Wiki didn't cover this.
From what I remember, ZPE being the energy present at 0 Kelvin is half right: it's technically an invisible and near infinite source of energy that is present everywhere at a level that doesn't interact much. It's like the theoretical Dark Matter or the Force (lol). When compared to the levels of energy we four-dimensional beings interact with, it's like comparing the ocean to its spray. When harnessed therefore, it becomes a near-limitless source of energy from a possibly very compact source. ZPE is termed much more efficient than nuclear or matter-antimatter reactions because though it theoretically needs a large amount of energy to initiate, no constantly consumable fuel is needed. That's possibly the reason they put that name behind Half-Life 2's machine though there really was no justification. All in all, ZPE's today's generation's version of the 70's nuclear and the 90's matter-antimatter sci-fi dream.
veradis

Welcome back to the amazing world outside of fanfics, Mac. Thanks for clearing that up. So do you think ZPE is possible to harness, or to even reach? How would it be done?
Snoopy

Well, if what I'm glancing from Wikipedia says what I think it does, ZPE is the "quantum foam" of the Planck scale in spacetime. You'd have to alter space time and/or build ultra-sensitive collectors to harness the energy. Perhaps if you expanded the continuum of spacetime to enlarge the wormholes...
Anyway, I read somewhere that if you had a cubic centimeter of this quantum foam harnessed, you could boil away the earth's oceans (and make Hawaii Island the tallest mountain in the world in the process). But you mountain climbers, put away your gear, and energy people, don't stop looking for possible solutions. We don't have the technology to harness this energy yet, and maybe will not ever have.
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-Snoopy

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