In response to Xehirut's thread about staff access...

I just wanted to add something to the conversation, but because it was locked, here in this new thread it shall go.

Xehirut, I don't have access to the mods office either, and I added a lot to this forum. Despite the rumor mill, I had a lot of fun trying to improve this place, mostly by organizing and reorganizing the topics, but also by listening to what the members wanted and appointing too many moderators. I thought it would be fun for every member to get an idea of what it's like to be a moderator, because it's fun to be able to be in control. My point is that this site was fun when I was running it, to me at least. I can't speak for everyone. All the mods I left running it are still here, and now the new owner is running it, not really knowing or caring what went on before.

The point is, Luc doesn't own the board anymore. And the owner, who probably paid too much (every owner who ever bought this domain/site) is allowed to do whatever they want with it. Money is the key factor here, if you didn't pay for this site, or are not a member of the 'staff', then you have no right to see the mod's office. It's really great that you were here from the beginning, but this place isn't the same as it was in the beginning. It has changed, just like everything in life. So I do agree that only the current members of the 'staff' should have access to the mod's office. Every administration works deviously to keep secrets for the good of everyone. It's not our business to know what the unpaid people who work for this site are talking about among themselves. I know they gave me access to the office twice only to take it away the next day, which was weird, but I really don't care either way. I just thought it was rude that they were so disorganized to keep jerking me around instead of have a clear and concise way in which to do things. I did keep access to the office open to you, CraHan, and funkyhorror at all times because I thought you all deserved it, but now I'm not running this place, so it isn't up to me. But, things change, and you just have to go with it. The same people seem to keep coming here, who are the diehard fans, and those are the people who are important, and all of the people who know you respect you. You don't have to have mod's office access for that.

And please don't close this topic or say something like, "PM me regarding this matter as it is not for the public to know!" I mean, who exactly gives a shit anyway? Why come here if there's nothing entertaining and soap operatic to read? Ya know?

First off, soap operas suck, and are vile pieces of trash on television, among other things on the TV.

Secondly, well put Val, for the most part. PM me reagrding this topic as it's not for the public to know!



Ha! Gotcha. No, you don't have to PM, but the discussion is pretty much over, and I don't think X is coming back.

You never know... people say they're not coming back and then come back to check the threads they last replied in. I've been busy too, but about once or twice a month I'll still be coming here to check stuff out. I can't deny that we have a very intelligent and regionally expansive population of members here, and it's always fun to come back here to see what the members are talking about. I hope Xehirut does come back here at least one more time.

Oh, by the way, I don't like soap operas either, but I do like those stupid court shows on the local channels. And reality tv, some shows are just great!

Well, let bygones be bygones, I say. Don't look back at the choices you've made, because if you had made different ones, a different person would be looking back.

You know, as a moderator, I never really got that control feeling. I just feel that I have an, well, almost an obligation towards the board, and I intend to fullfill it for as long as I can and for as long as this board will have me. Before I became a moderator I was all to glad not being one, because frankly, being a moderator takes a lot of time, and it doesn't give you back a lot in the materialistic sense. It does, however, put you in a position where you can help the board in ways a normal member could not, or would have much more difficulties in helping, and I do enjoy helping the administration of this board whenever and however I can.

And through this mutual relationship of helping out, you get a close relation with the people with whom you moderate. And no matter how much time I invest, or no matter how many members will come posting SCAT all over the board, I will still always have that sense of friendship and community, that's the word I was looking for, when I see your avatar, Val. And I get that same feeling with a lot of people on this board, much more than any other forum I have ever been part of.

This is why I do not care about being a moderator or not. You see, I enjoy helping out, and I enjoy being of service to this community, but if I should no longer be neccesary, I am very much willing to give away my priviledges and my access to the Moderator's office. What they can not take away however, are the great memories I have with you, Val, with NMN, with UT, with TINM, with, well, everyone. It has been an experience I was most happy to partake in, and I am happy with experiencing it now at this moment.

At this moment, however, I am more than aware that this will not last forever. This site will eventually die in 10, maybe 20 years (;)), and I won't have any access to the moderator's office anymore. What I will have however, is friendship, and the knowledge that I could be of help to a community I was proud to call myself part of.

Despite the fact that I am drunk, without drinking but a drop of alcohol, call it the lack of sleep, I guess, I can say with full clarity of mind that if I ever should seize seeing you guys, I will miss you.

Mr U

//EDIT: Man. This looks more like a friend acknowledgement post than a questions and suggestions answer, lol. Well, I guess I should post there as well one of them days when I have a few spare hours to start on UT, lol :D.

it is often perplexing when people extrapolate historical information and apply such equation to all subsequent events. I agree that we do have to rely on past events to make educated decisions on future behavior as a predictor of events. we all quickly learn that when we observe a solid chunk of metal, fast approaching, traveling on four round doughnut-shaped-like rotating particles, not to step in it's path as most likely it is what we refer to as an automobile. however, even in regression model of the preceding example, the sample size of events leading to construction of this equation is greater than 20. from my experience (not perfect indeed, but predictor nevertheless), these poor constructed regression models are often modeled by marginalized beings, lacking the information on hand, but deeply trying to find a cause. in some cases, I highly envy these beings for having a great deal of imagination from which to draw beautifully constructed stories and conspiracy theories, but I must point out that most of the time this only applies to fictional creations and may impede judgment in real-life situations. ergo, I would suggest to anyone in this world that when predicting future events based on events in the past, to have at least 20 samples to construct these regressions. chances are, anything less than that, your extrapolations will be meaningless and untrue. all else then should be attributed to trusting your gut, but usually when my gut talks, it is hungry.

I'm glad you brought that up HU. I won't ever lose those memories either. The memories of trying to make sense out of Midas' theories on melanin and it's relations to the Matrix. The MM/MH war that was waged. Everything we ever did here was meaningful, and I know what you're talking about when you see someone's avatar and it feels like you're seeing the person and remembering your past and topics we've talked about. We're all here because a movie that makes you think, made us all think about what is real. Now we're all here to discuss, because that's what we prefer to do. The moderators and non moderators aren't of concern, what is of concern is that the board runs well enough that no posts get lost and that they all go in the right order. And you're right, this site can't last forever, although the memories of it might be archived so that we can look back on it. But I do believe that if there are no more Matrix websites, the clan of members that has developed here will migrate to other sites together, because we all feel familiar with each other and have in a sense all become friends. When I gave up administrating this site, which was a plan for about a month, because I was spending too much time here, I was upset at the way in which I had to give it, the timing wasn't perfect. I was upset that I couldn't be in control, but in another way it didn't really matter, because I could be myself again without so much concern over the way I handled things. I'm free to read books again, and to watch the news all day, as I've already said to you. But when I feel like discussing the things I'm learning, I keep wanting to come back here, because I don't feel the quality of members would be as good as it is here, even at another specific topic forum for whatever I want to talk about. So I will keep coming here regardless of if I'm in control of this place or not. I'm in control of myself and I miss everyone here when I haven't been here in a while. But I will always have the memories of discussing specifically what might happen in the third movie before it came out. I only wish I could have come here sooner to have even more memories.

ssl, I think you're trying to say that what happened here before is irrelevant, because it is not a predictor of how things will go with you leading the site. I couldn't agree more. Also, your signature is cut off, but part that I can read is very true. I'd be interested to know the end of that sentence.

..causes us to be exiled from ourselves. That is the end of Sid's quote Val. Very true words indeed. However like all good quotes I've seen them turned and utilised and whatnot. Though everything has a special meaning to each and everyone of us. And that is what matters, whether we percieve it as one thing and someone else percieves it as being another is what makes us all individual.


No one ever really does let go of their first forum where they are or were a member of Val, for it is where you meet and become a part of a huge online community. And I've always found that is the way with everyone. It is only natural. As for X, yes I know he has already come back, and I have seen that happen before also with many people on other sites. It's only natural and human nature. As for you being let in then out of the staff room due to any of us, as you put it being 'rude' or 'disorganized', its' a shame you felt that way. However as you also have stated many many times, what's past is past. That should apply for a lot of things, even now. However as I tell everyone your opinion is yours and therefore valid. I also like to remind members (as you have done when you where admin here) I want discussions of the staff room spoken of in PM, for it's simply not proffessional. That is just my opinion, of course.

As for this forum's life expectancy, this is something I disagree with, for I have been either running, owning, modding or being a member of several forums now for years, only to see some them go from strength to strength and see others divide and fall. This is obviously due to a lot of variables, however the things which make the stayers grow strong and stay healthy, are trust, loyalty and honesty and the ability to work hard together as a team. And the team we have now have all those qualities, and then some.

Man you guys give terrific speeches. I'll just be the devout supporter here. :)
I do agree alot with what you all said; Vash and HU's priorities of just having fun thinking and posting above all notions of power and responsibility; ssl's idea that the past of MM should not burden its future; and UT's, that your first, like many other firsts, is the most memorable.
Ever since joining MM back when it was MR, I have never found another intellectual haven and means of socializing better than this forum, and MH when it came out later. My RL's pretty poor, since my 'wavelength', as they say, never clicked with others. Here I face a variety of vastly different folk united by their curiousity and zeal to life and fellowship, and nothing short of the army has ever torn me from these in the year hence. I already feel like I personally know all of you, and can greet you by the name if we meet. I have dreams of meeting you guys one day on the street!
I never, never thought of being a mod, at least not in here; but now that I am I like HU don't see the need to see things differently. Mods have an example to lead, exemplify the forum, and ultimately police, yet in the most times we're just human folk, all out like everyone else to have a good time (this lesson I learned from you, HU. :)); and I'm glad this thread allowed me to remember that. Yep its an acknowledgement thread; so allow me to raise a glass to say 'Hail all mods and admin throughout the history of fair MM; ye who are all heros and family alike!'

As for you being let in then out of the staff room due to any of us, as you put it being 'rude' or 'disorganized', its' a shame you felt that way. ... I also like to remind members (as you have done when you where admin here) I want discussions of the staff room spoken of in PM, for it's simply not proffessional. That is just my opinion, of course.


I'm sorry to have put it that way. That is how I felt at the time, because I wanted to check something I put in there about a vote for the best Matrix website, but other than that there was nothing else I was dying to read. There is a real reason for that forum to be private or there wouldn't be an option for a private forum within the functions of this or any other vbulletin boards. So I promise as of now I'll stop talking about it.

Mac, thanks for your support, and I agree with everything you said. :)

I understand what u r saying Valasher. N I am glad that ur fine with the decision now. I'm even more happier seeing that ur posting.
I can understand how it must feel, but u know as we all know. That when changes come, changes r going to happen. U can either accept the change or do the other one that I do not wanna mention, lol.
U know r a valued member here MM, n much respect to u in here n in RL.
I know when the day come to it, that if I have to step down or asked to be taken off the Mod team. I know what comes with that, n I will accept it fully.
No enough of this talk. I'm happy ur still here Val...

Thanks Niva. I'm not really sure if I'm wanted around here, but I'd imagine that as long as I'm having fun, and people who read this in the hopes of finding something interesting here are having fun, then it's all good. :) Nice to see you, too.

Thanks Niva. I'm not really sure if I'm wanted around here, but I'd imagine that as long as I'm having fun, and people who read this in the hopes of finding something interesting here are having fun, then it's all good. Nice to see you, too.

Was there any doubt you weren't wanted Val? Then again, I guess I know how you feel, for when you passed this position onto me I wasn't sure about a lot of things you were thinking at the time, even now. However with the position you passed onto me was also my promise I would do what was best for this place and to remain loyal to it. Yes, we all do have different ways we admin, and I know at times mine haven't mirrored your own, and when I do pass my position on I will be at times offering my advice, from time to time to the 'new admin'. One thing I vow to do though when that time comes, will be to support them no matter what. See if I'm passing it onto someone I trust with such a position that comes with a hell of a lot of responsibility then I will always be there for them. Respect is a 2 way street. No time for 'what ifs' or 'maybes' but support for them and the job they are doing for they once worked their ass of for me and respected my descisions, however hard they were at the time. You are more than welcome here anytime, I hope you stick around and enjoy yourself. So no more need for re-affirmations of how folks think or feel of you. At the end of the day the only person you truly have to answer to is yourself. I hope you think about that last one, as it's often a very misused ideal that people don't practice enough this day and age.

Oh and ftr, yes I did learn a lot from you. More than you'll ever know.

I understand the concept of respecting those that came before you. In fact, that was what was written in one of my first posts EVER - how much I respected members like Terikan who came before me. But if he came back, should he get special access also? Where does this favoritism stop? Where does it start? I applaud the admins and mods here. I know it can be a hard job treading the line bwtween friendship and duty, but this group does it well. Ut in particular, because I know for a fact that she loves Xehirut to death, but she is very focused on her responsibility as Administrator here, and she made her decision. We should just leave it at that.

When I can't seem to find the words, you've always been there BSD. And I want to thank you personally, because the first day I was given this job, you told me I'd do a good job and that you had faith in me. I don't think you really know how much respect I've got for you dog, on so many levels. And you know I'm not one for blowing the sunshine up anyones ass. Respect and thanks.

BSD, let me thank you, put my hands together and kneel down before you. I thank you for your acumen that holding these so-called "privileges," the transfer and/or the lack thereof are only "awarded" as per-need basis; I applaud your understanding in the lack of validity of the principle "I was born first, all your bases are belong to me," and I kneel down before you for your skill in communicating this message in a clear, cognizant and precise manner. bravo!

Yes, BSD always has a way of saying things clearly and without any room for misinterpertation. I agree with what you said about Xehirut, BSD, though I have stated it in a different thread in a different way. Yakov definitely wasn't around and when he was, he was much less than agreeable with anyone here.

UT, I know that we have/had different ways of running things, but at the time I didn't want someone who would do everything exactly the way I would, because I'm not all knowing. I always encourage differences in opinion and I know that you value the same. Although I had a lot of respect for and also picked NMN, you did the most for this forum since you came aboard to help one day... And when more than one person runs something it become more like a democracy than a dictatorship, so that was my decision at the time. I'm glad to see you're doing so great, but I really didn't have any doubts, so it wasn't a concern. :)

I think everything that can be said here has been said. I'll be another supporting bystander and say that I agree with everything that has been said so far. =)
I am not a mod, nor do I want to be. I have been a mod before, and whilst the behind the forum-wall-stuff was cool, and the bantering we did, the close friends we became, all in all, we would have still been friends, even if some of us did not have acess to to the staff forums. We were as close of friends as you can get, because of the fact we came everyday to talk to each other.
I don't know X well. I wasn't here at his prime. But my thought is, he should have come for the friends, the discussions, the jokes and bantering, and not the special privilege he got.
We all come here day after day, month after month, despite what's going on in our life. Most of us try to make it here whenever we can. We do it because, you know what, we want to be with our friends. That's the important thing. Not the modship, not the special stuff we get, not the posts, but the friends. We are friends, and we do what friends are supposed to do, which is to be there, to be caring, to be just be... friends.